Brent Johnson is a future John Carlson. Nope give me denis or give me death

To be honest I haven't seen the guy play at all since I am not a capitals fan. I just took in the factors that the stars needed some RD prospects and the he was a 3rd round pick. So apologies for that I was not aware of his talent

No its ok. I’m sorry if I sounded aggressive. He is a very underrated pick and I cant wait to see him play on our team

Don't worry at all im gonna try to switch him out in that trade for a different D prospect

Ben Bishop hasn't played a game in almost 2 years and you want assets for him?? That's not realistic.

Caps don't have a need for defense right now. I'd rather keep our prospects, instead of going for a defenseman that would at best play 3rd line.

Dude Im an oilers fan as well and our goalie situation next year isn't the best. Odds are smith doesn't come back as the dude just had a knee injury and he is nearing 40 and just had a knee injury. Skinner and kolonov won't be quite ready yet to be the starter and though koskinen is solid he isn't gonna carry us through the playoffs. Yes, bishop has been injured but when he has played recently the dude has averaged a 930. save percentage which is insane. We have three young goalie prospects around the same age and rodrigue is the odd man out of that group. If bishop is healthy our odds of going far in the playoffs go so much higher and risks like those are ones the oilers are going to have to take to compete.

Bishop is not Canadian btw. I don't see him waiving for EDM, it's been almost a decade since he last played in Canada. This very much assuming he's even healthy that is.

While I'd love to see Lindell bringing Stars such a haul, I don't see it happening. He's a good defensive D-man, but his puck moving abilities are not to par, in other words he needs help from a puck moving D to be fully utilized. NYI fans seem to be high on Salo, so I don't see him being offered at all. Best I can see happening is Bellows+some cap dump+1st for Lindell, but even that might be overselling it.

Suter is a decent defenseman as of now but that contract makes it near impossible to move. A guy inked until 41 with a bigger contract just don't sell properly. And frankly I don't think it's a good idea to retain this much on long-term contracts, which brings us to the Flames trade...

While I'm very much in favor of this team retooling, Seguin's and Benn's contracts are nigh on impossible to move. Big contracts, subpar play and the fact that Dallas is one of the league's tax havens makes it very unlikely for them to waive their NMCs. Not that CGY would accept this trade. As you explained Lucic has only one year by that point left and they need all the money they can get to re-sign the likes of Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

Furthermore, DAL binds up to $10M bucks from their cap in retained salaries in the long-term. That is simply not sustainable.

If we decide to retool, we need to start it this deadline and capitalize on the value of rentals such as Klingberg, Pavelski and Radulov.

Suter in my opinion is an upgrade over Trevor Van Riemsdyk. As I agree suter would be a 3rd line d-man but man he would be the best 3rd line d-man in the league this year he has 8 points in 14 games and is good in his own zone. Also his play style isn't reliant on age so he won't fall off a cliff unless he suffers a major injury. The caps gotta use these last years of ovi and backstrom and suter brings experience and size for that d and the price isn't extremely high for him.

Bishop had a .920 save percentage in 2019-20. Koskinen was .917 the same year playing behind a FAR worse defense. Bishop has less than zero value right now, he's been out for nearly 2 years.

You worry about Mike Smith's injury and then propose Bishop as a solution? Did I just read that?

Losing a decent prospect in Johnson as well as a 3rd rounder is for me too steep of a price for a 3rd line D that isn't a big need. Suter has been good this year, but so has Van Riemsdyk. He hasn't had the same points production, but has been quite solid defensively and is especially great as he can play other side so if lines get messed up he can plug and play anywhere on D. His versatility and good play this year has earned him a regular role for now, and Suter's leadership isn't needed and could possibly hurt in a locker room with established leaders already, such as Ovi and Oshie.

Apologies for the bishop thing I guess I had an idea in my mind he was canadian but I still agree he waives for edmonton as it is only one year left and he gets to compete for that cup he has come so close to getting but agree to disagree we will never know for certain what he thinks.

Honestly I don't disagree with your take on this I do regret the benn and seguin trade with Calgary's cap situation moving forward but the seguin and benn trade had to happen to help with this rebuild. The 10m in dead cap for dallas will hurt those couple last years but they will have lot's of cap room for the first 3 years of the contracts being retained so it won't harm too much on the price of moving them. Lindell can be paired with dobson who is an elite puck moving d-man and the top 4 of pulock,pelech,dobson and lindell would be absolutely insane and tear up in the playoffs. The haul might be a bit much but young d-man have been going up so much with the seth jones trade that went down.

Honestly everything you said there was completelty valid and I see your point of view on it even thought I might respectfully disagree on some takes and I completely agree with the flames trade not being good for them but that trade had to happen for this gm to work so even though it's not good its fun to think about

As an islander fan i wouldnt do this. Dont get me wrong i like lindell, and think he would make a good partner for dobson but i wouldnt do it at this price at all. Salo looks really good and will probably be the better player in 2-3 years. Now add the fact that lindell does have a big contract and thats gonna take some value away. I would probably want to base a potential lindell deal around bolduc.

- Lindell is overrated (but better this year) & is heavily reliant on his Defensive partner for any kind of puck movement. There's a reason Klingberg handles the puck nearly every time they are on the ice together
- Suter isn't going anywhere. Would love for him to be gone, but no GM (outside of Jim Nill) brings on a 36-year old for 4 years with a full NMC attached to his contract
- Benn & Seguin hit against the cap too much for any team to trade for them, especially in this dead cap era we're slowly working our way out of.
- Bishop doesn't waive for Edmonton

With guys like Hintz, Heiskanen, Gurianov, Robertson, Harley, Oettinger, etc., Dallas doesn't need a "rebuild." Retooling by trading guys like Pavelski, Radulov, Holtby, and even Klingberg (extremely hesitant to trade Klingberg) is more than enough, given where this team stands with the young core they have in place.

Apologies for the johnson one I was not aware of how good he was for a 3rd round pick the caps got a steal in him. I have changed the propect to Hugo Has who is definitely more reasonable of a prospect to send the other way. Van riedsmyk most likely won't keep his play up unfortunately as from how his career has gone I don't see him maintaining a top 4 role. Suter can take a smaller leadership position for sure he has never really been an out spoken personality and is more of a silent leader in the room which definitely doesn't clash with ovi and oshie who are both loud out spoken leaders which is great for the caps.

Pretty sure NYI would say yes.

Bishop has bounced back before and is 5 years younger than smtih. Bishop is also cleared to play again this year and this trade would only go down if he stays consistent as he was just moved off long term IR. Bishop was also insane in the bubble playoffs and if he can do that for edmonton that would be huge. Also the worry isn't about smith being bad it's about him retiring( i should have said that apologies for being confusing) Bishop is also only a one year deal so he won't be a long term issue if things go wrong(this would lower his value so I would replace the second for a third or a fourth.

How about sebastian ahos value?

Dobson is a great puck mover which would make him a great partner for lindell which might interest the islanders more in this trade. But yes realistically dallas does need a retooling not a rebuild but again this site is just for fun so this is a hypothetical of what a rebuild could possibly shape up like.

Bishop only has to stay in Edmonton for one year he doesn't even have to move his life over to edmonton and has a great chance for a cup there (but again we will never know for certain if he will waive or not us neither of us know what he thinks)

If retained enough suter could possibly be moved to a contending team somewhere looking for a solid in his own zone top 6 d-man. Again suters play style isn't reliant on age he has never been extremely fast or ahtletic so he most likely won't fall off a cliff unless a big injury happens. If retained a cotending team could be interested in him for cheap and he could possibly reitire before the contract runs up.

It's pretty low. He hasn't looked good but Trotz has barely played him so he hasn't been able to get into a groove.

If salo is too much I could definitely see him being a replacement instead for that move

If we move Salo to Aho this is a no-brainer for NYI.

A mid-late pick. Hes just a throw in at this point.

Yeah maybe the stars will still want salo but if the isles aren't fans of them could take on clutterbucks deal if he holds negative value?

They're definitely not trading Clutterbuck, and he's likely to come back at a discount as a free agent. The organization loves the identity line too much to let him go.