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Quoi faire avec Montreal

Created by: Obus777
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 19, 2021
Published: Nov. 19, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Edvinsson, Simon [Reserve List]
  2. 2022 1st round pick (DET)
  3. 2022 2nd round pick (WSH)
DET
  1. Petry, Jeff
2.
MTL
  1. Holloway, Dylan
  2. Smith, Mike
  3. 2022 1st round pick (EDM)
  4. 2023 4th round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Chiarot, Ben
  2. Allen, Jake
3.
MTL
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (WSH)
  2. 2022 4th round pick (WSH)
WSH
  1. Lehkonen, Artturi
4.
MTL
  1. 2022 2nd round pick (NSH)
  2. 2022 3rd round pick (LAK)
NSH
  1. Weber, Shea
5.
MTL
  1. Lucic, Milan
  2. 2022 1st round pick (CGY)
  3. 2024 3rd round pick (CGY)
CGY
  1. Gallagher, Brendan
6.
MTL
  1. Dufour, William [Reserve List]
  2. 2022 1st round pick (NYI)
  3. 2024 3rd round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Kulak, Brett
  2. Toffoli, Tyler
Buyouts
  • Karl Alzner: $1,958,333
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Brett Kulak: $925,000 (50%)
  • Ben Chiarot: $1,750,000 (50%)
  • Artturi Lehkonen: $1,150,000 (50%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$65,634,227$597,561$1,957,500$15,865,773
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Drouin, Jonathan
$5,500,000
LW, RW, C
NTC
UFA - 2
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Dvorak, Christian
$4,450,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
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Caufield, Cole
$880,833
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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Hoffman, Mike
$4,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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Suzuki, Nick
$863,333
C
UFA - 1
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Anderson, Josh
$5,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 6
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Lucic, Milan
$5,250,000
LW
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
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Holloway, Dylan
$925,000
C, LW, RW
RFA - 3
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Armia, Joel
$3,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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Pezzetta, Michael
$750,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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Poehling, Ryan
$750,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
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Evans, Jake
$750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Romanov, Alexander
$894,167
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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Savard, David
$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 4
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Price, Carey
$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 5
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Norlinder, Mattias
$859,167
LD
RFA - 3
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Wideman, Chris
$750,000
RD
UFA - 1
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Primeau, Cayden
$880,833
G
RFA - 1
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Niku, Sami
$750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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Edmundson, Joel
$3,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
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Smith, Mike
$2,200,000
G
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Paquette, Cédric
$950,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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Byron, Paul
$3,400,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 2
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Perreault, Mathieu
$950,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1

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Nov. 19, 2021 at 11:02 a.m.
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Flames decline
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Nov. 19, 2021 at 11:06 a.m.
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Wings decline. A+ prospect and multiple picks for petry isn't gonna work.
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Nov. 19, 2021 at 11:06 a.m.
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Detroit says no, hands down shakes head
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Nov. 19, 2021 at 11:10 a.m.
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Quoting: Gmonwy
Flames decline


I don't think any one says yes to these trades.
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Nov. 19, 2021 at 11:21 a.m.
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Maybe Nashville takes this If Weber wants to retire they put him on LTIR and pay him the remainder of his contract. If Weber just retires then they get hit with a recapture penalty of $4.9M for the next 5 seasons.
Nov. 19, 2021 at 11:28 a.m.
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Here comes the hordes of delusional Habs fans


1) Jeff Petry isn't returning Simon Edvinsson, I prefer to avoid looking at Det's 1st and a 2nd in there too : AWFUL proposal

2) Allen for Mike Smith : Edmonton wouldn't do that, so let's say you remove these parts...

Ben freakin Chiarot isn't returning a 1st PLUS Dylan Holloway and a 4th... Maybe a 1st if the market for physical D-man is good

3) Not as bad but doubt the Flames sacrifice a 1st for this. Lucic only has 1 year left, Gallagher will have 5 and they know the last few years might be a pure cap dump

4) This could work if the Islanders weren't having such a bad start. Lou is not crazy and will not trade his first : too risky
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Nov. 19, 2021 at 11:40 a.m.
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PlusMinus is stupid
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Everyone easily declines and it's not close... the only one that could even happen, would be if Weber said he was going to hang them up, Nashville could grab him to avoid cap recapture and pay for it, so they could LTIR him instead.
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Nov. 19, 2021 at 11:48 a.m.
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Quoting: aedoran
Maybe Nashville takes this If Weber wants to retire they put him on LTIR and pay him the remainder of his contract. If Weber just retires then they get hit with a recapture penalty of $4.9M for the next 5 seasons.


Quoting: DeadWingsv2
Everyone easily declines and it's not close... the only one that could even happen, would be if Weber said he was going to hang them up, Nashville could grab him to avoid cap recapture and pay for it, so they could LTIR him instead.


I doubt they need to pay that much for him though. Probably like a fourth of that was the situation.
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Nov. 19, 2021 at 11:54 a.m.
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make the flames 1st round into a 3rd or 4th, we accept
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Nov. 19, 2021 at 12:05 p.m.
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Smith and Holloway are both off the table.
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Nov. 19, 2021 at 12:15 p.m.
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Man, I Miss Mantha
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Yeah no way the wings trade their future for a washed up Petry
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Nov. 19, 2021 at 12:30 p.m.
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Holloway and McLeod will be competing for the 3c in Edmonton next Autumn and Smith will probably play out his contract and then get an offer to remain within the organization in a different capacity.
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Nov. 19, 2021 at 2:23 p.m.
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Quoting: Lancebmx
I doubt they need to pay that much for him though. Probably like a fourth of that was the situation.


Giving up a pick or 2 to put Weber LTIR is a lot better than having $4.9M taken off your cap for the next 5 seasons
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Nov. 19, 2021 at 2:27 p.m.
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Quoting: aedoran
Giving up a pick or 2 to put Weber LTIR is a lot better than having $4.9M taken off your cap for the next 5 seasons


True, but why would weber retire? Just ride out LTIR for the rest of the contract. I think he would make more money, and if Montreal pushed him to retire I think they would just give him up for free or not much to Nashville just so you don't have that team completely hate you for years. They could hold that cap hit ad ransom and try and gain some picks but I don't think that would be worth destroying a relationship with that team and also losing respect from all the other GMs.
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Nov. 19, 2021 at 4:02 p.m.
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Just checked out Chiarot's "rels", which compare him to his teammates.

CF% rel - negative every single year of his career
SF% rel - negative 6 of the last 7 seasons
GF% rel - negative last 3 seasons and 6 of 8
xGF% rel - negative 6 of last 7
SCF% rel - negative 7 of 8
HDCF% rel - negative 6 of 7

These are not good numbers, in fact they are quite bad. Worse, they're largely caused by poor defensive metrics - he allows more shots against than average of his teammates, he allows more goals against, more scoring chances and more high danger corsi. It isn't due to zone starts either, he generally gets about 50% offensive zone starts.

He had one good playoff run where the refs allowed him to hack and whack opponents at will, and Habs fans think he's suddenly a 1st pairing defenseman who is worth a whole ton. Genuinely he's a replacement level guy and has been his entire career.

http://naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=r&v=p&playerid=8475279

Actually, the results from the past 2 playoff runs are worse than his regular season results: http://naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=3&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=r&v=p&playerid=8475279.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=r&v=p&playerid=8475279
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