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cost to move duchene

Created by: hanson493
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 19, 2021
Published: Nov. 19, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Nashville Predators
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Im looking to gauge interest on what it would cost a team to not only trade for but also for nashville to potentially move duchene. Im a bruins fan so ill set up the trade to bruins but this goes for any team. What do you think it would cost to move/acquire duchene right now?
Trades
1.
NSH
  1. DeBrusk, Jake
  2. Moore, John
  3. Wagner, Chris
  4. 2022 2nd round pick (BOS)
  5. 2023 3rd round pick (BOS)
BOS
  1. Duchene, Matt
Buyouts
  • Kyle Turris: $2,000,000
  • Steven Santini: $275,000
Buried
  • Rocco Grimaldi: $875,000 ($2,000,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
NSH
NSH
BOS
NSH
LAK
NSH
NSH
NSH
2023
NSH
NSH
NSH
BOS
NSH
NSH
NSH
2024
NSH
NSH
NSH
NSH
NSH
NSH
NSH
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
25$81,500,000$72,030,309$0$82,500$9,469,691
Left WingCenterRight Wing
NSH
Tolvanen, Eeli
$1,450,000
LW
RFA - 3
NSH
Johansen, Ryan
$8,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
NSH
Sissons, Colton
$2,857,143
RW, C
UFA - 5
NSH
Jeannot, Tanner
$800,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
NSH
Granlund, Mikael
$5,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
NSH
Kunin, Luke
$2,300,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
NSH
Smith, Cole
$750,000
LW
RFA - 1
NSH
Novak, Thomas
$817,500
C
RFA - 1
NSH
Tomasino, Philip
$863,333
RW, C
RFA - 3
NSH
Trenin, Yakov
$725,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
NSH
Olivier, Mathieu
$750,000
RW
RFA - 2
BOS
DeBrusk, Jake
$3,675,000
LW
RFA - 1
NSH
McCarron, Michael
$750,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
BOS
Wagner, Chris
$1,350,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
NSH
Josi, Roman
$9,059,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
NSH
Myers, Philippe
$2,550,000
RD
RFA - 2
NSH
Saros, Juuse
$5,000,000
G
UFA - 4
NSH
Ekholm, Mattias
$3,750,000
LD
UFA - 1
NSH
Fabbro, Dante
$2,400,000
RD
RFA - 2
NSH
Rittich, David
$1,250,000
G
UFA - 1
NSH
Borowiecki, Mark
$2,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
NSH
Benning, Matthew
$1,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
NSH
Harpur, Ben
$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
NSH
Carrier, Alexandre
$733,333
RD
RFA - 2
BOS
Moore, John
$2,750,000
LD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
NSH
Forsberg, Filip
$6,000,000
LW
UFA - 1
NSH
Cousins, Nick
$1,500,000
LW, C
UFA - 1

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Nov. 19, 2021 at 4:57 p.m.
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If Nashville would consider retaining 1-2 mil (I highly doubt it though for 5 years) Montreal needs a center and might be willing to move say Toffoli + prospect for Duchense (retained) + 2nd otherwise maybe Toffoli + Byron for money to work
Nov. 19, 2021 at 4:59 p.m.
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Duchene is NSH's hottest player right now. I can't see them entertaining a proposal to ship him out for a pile of cap dumps.
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Nov. 19, 2021 at 5:01 p.m.
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Always in Pain
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Duchene's been a PPG player this season. Just don't see a point in selling him light at this point, although should he start to flop again now would be a perfect time to capitalize on the value that guy has provided...hard to say honestly what it takes. The offer can't be one that'd break the bank for the receiving team, but for Preds that offer also have to be so good they just can't decline.
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Nov. 19, 2021 at 5:11 p.m.
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Quoting: justaBoss
Duchene's been a PPG player this season. Just don't see a point in selling him light at this point, although should he start to flop again now would be a perfect time to capitalize on the value that guy has provided...hard to say honestly what it takes. The offer can't be one that'd break the bank for the receiving team, but for Preds that offer also have to be so good they just can't decline.


If Nashville retained 2 mill, I think he could bring back a 1st , B prospect and 2 short small cap dumps (Haula and Moore)
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Nov. 19, 2021 at 5:12 p.m.
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To boston tho?

NSH would definitely have to take back Coyle

Didn't seem a fit ultimately
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Nov. 19, 2021 at 5:26 p.m.
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mokumboi
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That's just a really weak offer. The B's will remain a 1 1/2 line team.
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Nov. 19, 2021 at 5:31 p.m.
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Quoting: csick
If Nashville retained 2 mill, I think he could bring back a 1st , B prospect and 2 short small cap dumps (Haula and Moore)


The guy has like 5 of 6 years left though. I wouldn't bother retaining that much for that long for a player with actual value. At that point there'd likely be more value for Preds to just keep the player themselves imo.
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Nov. 19, 2021 at 5:53 p.m.
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despite struggles in recent years, He's been a P/GP player for NSH. Sure the $8 million a year hit is a lot, but its going to take more quality than that to land him.
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Nov. 22, 2021 at 11:52 a.m.
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Quoting: gmgb
Duchene is NSH's hottest player right now. I can't see them entertaining a proposal to ship him out for a pile of cap dumps.


i get that i also cant see any team looking at his last 2 years and his contract and saying "hes worth a major haul" either. debrusk a 2nd and a 3rd... moore and wagner are simply to make money work.
Nov. 22, 2021 at 11:53 a.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
If Nashville would consider retaining 1-2 mil (I highly doubt it though for 5 years) Montreal needs a center and might be willing to move say Toffoli + prospect for Duchense (retained) + 2nd otherwise maybe Toffoli + Byron for money to work


do you think it makes more sense for nashville to hold duchene and see if he can keep it up into middle of next year and potentially sell then?
Nov. 22, 2021 at 11:54 a.m.
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Quoting: Radu47
To boston tho?

NSH would definitely have to take back Coyle

Didn't seem a fit ultimately


Coyles ntc makes this a little more difficult. really why i threw a lowball offer of moore/wagner/debrusk in there. i just dont know what it would take ON TOP of the above to make the move for really either team. I kinda like the idea of duchene with hall.
Nov. 22, 2021 at 11:58 a.m.
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Quoting: justaBoss
Duchene's been a PPG player this season. Just don't see a point in selling him light at this point, although should he start to flop again now would be a perfect time to capitalize on the value that guy has provided...hard to say honestly what it takes. The offer can't be one that'd break the bank for the receiving team, but for Preds that offer also have to be so good they just can't decline.


Thats why i asked what his perceived value would be around the league. On one hand you have a guy thats put up: 71 in 117 which looks pretty good but then you take last year and how hes really only been a 50 point center for most of his career. I think last year hurts his value as much as this year helps rebuild it. but hes got term and aav its really one of those how do the preds see him long term? would they be willing to take a little less to get out of the contract?
Nov. 22, 2021 at 12:03 p.m.
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Quoting: hanson493
do you think it makes more sense for nashville to hold duchene and see if he can keep it up into middle of next year and potentially sell then?


I think Nashville should wait and see if they are a playoff team before selling anyone off. The western conference is kind of wide open right now.
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Nov. 22, 2021 at 12:05 p.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
That's just a really weak offer. The B's will remain a 1 1/2 line team.


I mean probably. thats why i asked what people thought his value would be. I dont think the bruins should overpay for the guy, this is a bit of an underpayment i recognize that but idk how much more or where to add. you arent decimating the farm for him. sending a 1st this year doesnt make a boatload of sense from the sending teams perspective with the loaded draft and looking at his last few years of play.
Nov. 22, 2021 at 12:07 p.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
I think Nashville should wait and see if they are a playoff team before selling anyone off. The western conference is kind of wide open right now.


Truly think the preds end up 6th or 7th within their own conference. Aves wont be that low, and i think the stars have a better team than their record shows at this moment. Chicago is another team that i think their record doesnt exactly reflect their roster.
Nov. 22, 2021 at 12:31 p.m.
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Quoting: hanson493
Truly think the preds end up 6th or 7th within their own conference. Aves wont be that low, and i think the stars have a better team than their record shows at this moment. Chicago is another team that i think their record doesnt exactly reflect their roster.


The problem with those teams is they have a lot of catching up to do, especially Chicago.

Here is how I see the west setting up

Central

1. Winnipeg
2. Colorado
3. St. Louis

4. Nashville
5. Dallas

Pacific

1. Vegas
2. Calgary
3. Edmonton

4. Anaheim
5 L.A.

I think Nashville and Anaheim endup in the WC spots
Nov. 22, 2021 at 12:41 p.m.
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Quoting: hanson493
i get that i also cant see any team looking at his last 2 years and his contract and saying "hes worth a major haul" either. debrusk a 2nd and a 3rd... moore and wagner are simply to make money work.


Yeah, I can't see anyone giving NSH much value for Duchene yet, but there's no reason for them to move him. NSH doesn't have any cap issues for the foreseeable future, and Duchene has been playing so well for them this season. Losing him for a couple draft picks and taking on three overpaid players doesn't make much sense for the them. The most value Duchene can provide the Preds right now is on the ice, not as a trade chip.
 
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