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Possible 4 team trade

Created by: Leafsfan7788
Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 20, 2021
Published: Nov. 20, 2021
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The leafs are doing great but I think we all expect some moves from Dubas before the deadline. I see 2 holes in the roster right now. Another top 6 forward and another top 4 dman to be ready for playoffs.

Colin Miller is from the Soo and has a connection with Dubas. He's most likely on his radar as a potential target this deadline as it's clear Holl might be on the trade block. He's played well on a horrible Buffalo team. UFA at the end of this season. I'm not sure if this would be enough to get him but considering he's leaving at the end of the year, they should not overpay.

Nick Ritchie has not been playing well, especially for 2.5 million. A replacement is needed if he keeps this up. I'm not sure if Lawson Crouse would be available but he's a big body that can actually produce offensively, which would add greatly to the leafs 4th line come playoff time.

Lastly is Strome. He hasn't played great and the rumours are CHI want's to trade him. I really don't know if this is a good move for the leafs but I think Strome deserves a chance on a new team he could build chemistry with.

It's also clear ARI is willing to retain salary for draft picks.

Let me know what you think.
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Crouse, Lawson
Additional Details:
Retained salary on Colin Miller and Dylan Strome
ARI
  1. Abramov, Mikhail
  2. Mikheyev, Ilya
  3. Ritchie, Nick
  4. 2022 2nd round pick (TOR)
  5. 2023 4th round pick (TOR)
2.
TOR
  1. Miller, Colin ($1,500,000 retained)
Additional Details:
ARI retains $1.5 million
BUF
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. 2022 7th round pick (TOR)
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (TOR)
3.
TOR
  1. Strome, Dylan ($1,500,000 retained)
  2. 2022 6th round pick (CHI)
Additional Details:
$1million retained by ARI
$500k by CHI
CHI
  1. Semyonov, Kirill
  2. 2023 5th round pick (TOR)
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (TOR)
Retained Salary Transactions
Buried
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2022
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2023
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2024
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Logo of the TOR
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the TOR
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21$81,500,000$80,421,449$0$400,000$1,078,551
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$950,000$950,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$1,500,000$1,500,000
C
UFA - 1
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 4
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,500,000$1,500,000
C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,250,000$1,250,000
RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$1,533,333$1,533,333
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$900,000$900,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$750,000$750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,650,000$1,650,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$2,375,000$2,375,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,800,000$3,800,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$894,167$894,167
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2

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Nov. 20, 2021 at 3:37 p.m.
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"Possible"
Nov. 20, 2021 at 3:38 p.m.
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Arizona is not going to retain any salary for anyone. They only have one retention slot and I would expect that would be used for retaining on Kessel.
Strome isn't on the block anymore with the new management in Chicago.
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Nov. 20, 2021 at 3:41 p.m.
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Colin Miller is worse and more expensive than Holl, Strome cant even stay in the lineup of one of the worst teams in the league and that's a terrible over pay for Crouse
Nov. 20, 2021 at 3:42 p.m.
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Arizona's not trading Crouse for cast aways and a 2nd. They are very jigh on him and consider a very important core piece moving forward
Nov. 20, 2021 at 3:54 p.m.
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These are all overpays for players that don't move the needle for TO. Miller is a big fish in a puddle. He's not in the top 6 for TO. Strome is a slow bust and Crouse is a 4th liner with worse career stats than Ritchie. This is the classic any player from any team not the leafs is a huge upgrade. It's not, these trades are dumb and I am tired of seeing this crap. It's just the same lateral or backwards moves that generate a pile of Leaf hate from the usuals who think the only fair trade with TO is one that damages them in a big way.
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Nov. 20, 2021 at 3:55 p.m.
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Arizona's not trading Crouse for cast aways and a 2nd. They are very jigh on him and consider a very important core piece moving forward


If that's the case the franchise deserves to fold and move to Quebec city. A 4th liner being an important part of a core is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
Nov. 20, 2021 at 4:04 p.m.
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If that's the case the franchise deserves to fold and move to Quebec city. A 4th liner being an important part of a core is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.


Im paraphrasing someone from HFB that is well in tune with the Yotes. I can grab their most recent post on Crouse if you want, it was posted earlier today in a very similar thread to this where a Leafs fan wanted him.
Nov. 20, 2021 at 4:04 p.m.
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If that's the case the franchise deserves to fold and move to Quebec city. A 4th liner being an important part of a core is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.


yeah, he's like a decent 3rd liner, he's not a core piece on any team, even one as bad as the coyotes. Hell, that team has ONE guy who is worth keeping to build around and that's Chychrun.
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Nov. 20, 2021 at 4:08 p.m.
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Creativity is there, but not for the right reasons. This doesn't make the leafs better than they are as of this moment, and you are losing so much draft capital for it.
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Nov. 20, 2021 at 4:10 p.m.
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If that's the case the franchise deserves to fold and move to Quebec city. A 4th liner being an important part of a core is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.


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[rt, post: 181286202, member: 19022"]At cost of Lawson Crouse? You must be joking. He’s the heartbeat of the team and potential next captain. Throwback power forward who’s great in all three zones, always engaged physically and is on pace for 24 goals this year (yes, it’s early but he’s looked better this season than any time in his career, including his draft season that saw him become the 11th overall pick). Guys like this take a long time to develop. Arizona wasn’t this patient for this long just to trade a special player like him before anyone even realizes how valuable he is.

There are easier ways to get thoroughly mediocre 30 year old goalies. Doesn’t require moving a core piece.

I tend to refer to this user on most things relating the Yotes as I find he is very well in tune with them.

It should also be noted that Crouse is not shooting at some insanly high S% like Draisaitl, he's at 11.2%.
Nov. 20, 2021 at 4:16 p.m.
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2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 4th , 5th, 7th, Ritchie, soup, prospect, Holl, KHL guy growing in the org for 3 players. That's 11 pieces for 4...
Nov. 20, 2021 at 4:28 p.m.
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[rt, post: 181286202, member: 19022"]At cost of Lawson Crouse? You must be joking. He’s the heartbeat of the team and potential next captain. Throwback power forward who’s great in all three zones, always engaged physically and is on pace for 24 goals this year (yes, it’s early but he’s looked better this season than any time in his career, including his draft season that saw him become the 11th overall pick). Guys like this take a long time to develop. Arizona wasn’t this patient for this long just to trade a special player like him before anyone even realizes how valuable he is.

There are easier ways to get thoroughly mediocre 30 year old goalies. Doesn’t require moving a core piece.

I tend to refer to this user on most things relating the Yotes as I find he is very well in tune with them.

It should also be noted that Crouse is not shooting at some insanly high S% like Draisaitl, he's at 11.2%.


that's not a great analyisis of Crouse at all, for one he is most certainly not great in all three zones. not even close. He's ok in them and while his shooting percentage isnt high for average, it's well above his career. Dude is just getting higher ice time and power play time because the team is so bad. Any team with decent depth and he's not performing like that at all.
He's a 3rd liner who can play in the top 6 if he has to. If Arizona or their fans think he is more than that then they are welcome to kid themselves.
Nov. 20, 2021 at 4:29 p.m.
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2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 4th , 5th, 7th, Ritchie, soup, prospect, Holl, KHL guy growing in the org for 3 players. That's 11 pieces for 4...


not to mention, now they are worse defensively as a team, slower and not even better offensively out of it.
Nov. 20, 2021 at 4:34 p.m.
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Don't know why this Soo/Miller/Dubas connection means much. The MapleLeaf/Holl/Dubas/Keefe connection is much stronger. Miller isn't an improvement much at all if any. So that's a bad deal for the Leafs.
Though I'd think Crouse isn't special, I doubt Arizona wants that package especially if it include Ritchie.
Strome, he is not a second liner. Rather just keep the current guys and picks.
Nov. 20, 2021 at 4:40 p.m.
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Edit: That quoted really weird, so just read the 2nd paragraph which is my response
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I tend to refer to this user on most things relating the Yotes as I find he is very well in tune with them.

It should also be noted that Crouse is not shooting at some insanly high S% like Draisaitl, he's at 11.2%.


that's not a great analyisis of Crouse at all, for one he is most certainly not great in all three zones. not even close. He's ok in them and while his shooting percentage isnt high for average, it's well above his career. Dude is just getting higher ice time and power play time because the team is so bad. Any team with decent depth and he's not performing like that at all.
He's a 3rd liner who can play in the top 6 if he has to. If Arizona or their fans think he is more than that then they are welcome to kid themselves.[/quote]

I agree that he is a 3rd liner that can jump into the top 6 but he does provide value and is very good at the value he provides. It's not unrealistic to see him as a team leader at all and if Arizona values him as that they are better off keeping him. Whether the above trade is fair or not in a vacuum, Arizona values him very highly and that's an important factor.
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Edit: That quoted really weird, so just read the 2nd paragraph which is my response


that's not a great analyisis of Crouse at all, for one he is most certainly not great in all three zones. not even close. He's ok in them and while his shooting percentage isnt high for average, it's well above his career. Dude is just getting higher ice time and power play time because the team is so bad. Any team with decent depth and he's not performing like that at all.
He's a 3rd liner who can play in the top 6 if he has to. If Arizona or their fans think he is more than that then they are welcome to kid themselves.


I agree that he is a 3rd liner that can jump into the top 6 but he does provide value and is very good at the value he provides. It's not unrealistic to see him as a team leader at all and if Arizona values him as that they are better off keeping him. Whether the above trade is fair or not in a vacuum, Arizona values him very highly and that's an important factor.[/quote]

Right, but the counter point to arizonas own valuation is that it simply isnt realistic. Just because they over value him it doesnt mean that anyone else sees him that way
Nov. 20, 2021 at 5:10 p.m.
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Right, but the counter point to arizonas own valuation is that it simply isnt realistic. Just because they over value him it doesnt mean that anyone else sees him that way


I don't disagree with that, hence why I said they consider him part of their core moving forward. Usually when a team value's a player higher than the rest of the league that player likely won't get traded as the owning team feels that any offer they get that would be considered fair value helps them less in the long run.

Basically he is likely not available for anything less than an overpayment
Nov. 20, 2021 at 5:24 p.m.
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"Lastly is Strome. He hasn't played great and the rumours are CHI want's to trade him. I really don't know if this is a good move for the leafs but I think Strome deserves a chance on a new team he could build chemistry with. "

Strome is no longer unwanted with new management and coaching. He is also much improved since returning to the lineup.
Nov. 20, 2021 at 7:48 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
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[rt, post: 181286202, member: 19022"]At cost of Lawson Crouse? You must be joking. He’s the heartbeat of the team and potential next captain. Throwback power forward who’s great in all three zones, always engaged physically and is on pace for 24 goals this year (yes, it’s early but he’s looked better this season than any time in his career, including his draft season that saw him become the 11th overall pick). Guys like this take a long time to develop. Arizona wasn’t this patient for this long just to trade a special player like him before anyone even realizes how valuable he is.

There are easier ways to get thoroughly mediocre 30 year old goalies. Doesn’t require moving a core piece.

I tend to refer to this user on most things relating the Yotes as I find he is very well in tune with them.

It should also be noted that Crouse is not shooting at some insanly high S% like Draisaitl, he's at 11.2%.


Talk about building statutes over small sample sizes.
 
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