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TDL if sharks decide to retool

Created by: glarson17
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 22, 2021
Published: Nov. 22, 2021
Team: 2021-22 San Jose Sharks
Team Explanation
This is if the team is not contending, which I expect them to not be, and Doug Wilson tries to acquire assets.

It will be too costly to move Kane at this moment, so just keep him this season. Maybe in the off-season he can be moved for a more reasonable price or bought out etc.

I would like them to move on from Simek but they’ve tried to move him for a year now and it hasn’t happened.
Trades
1.
SJS
  1. Kravtsov, Vitali
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (NYR)
NYR
  1. Labanc, Kevin
2.
SJS
  1. 2022 1st round pick (TBL)
TBL
  1. Nieto, Matt
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (NYR)
3.
SJS
  1. Barron, Justin
  2. Olausson, Oskar
  3. 2023 1st round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Hertl, Tomas ($2,600,000 retained)
4.
SJS
  1. 2022 3rd round pick (FLA)
FLA
  1. Cogliano, Andrew ($250,000 retained)
Buyouts
  • Martin Jones: $1,916,667
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Tomas Hertl: $2,600,000 (46.22%)
  • Andrew Cogliano: $250,000 (25%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
SJS
TBL
SJS
FLA
SJS
BUF
SJS
SJS
ARI
MIN
2023
SJS
COL
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
2024
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
25$81,500,000$75,832,500$0$1,522,500$5,667,500
Left WingCenterRight Wing
SJS
Meier, Timo
$6,000,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
SJS
Couture, Logan
$8,000,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 6
SJS
Dahlén, Jonathan
$750,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
SJS
Kane, Evander
$7,000,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 4
SJS
Bonino, Nick
$2,050,000
C
NTC
UFA - 2
SJS
Barabanov, Alexander
$1,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
SJS
Gregor, Noah
$750,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
SJS
Weatherby, Jasper
$842,500
C
RFA - 2
SJS
Balcers, Rūdolfs
$1,550,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
SJS
Gadjovich, Jonah
$783,333
LW, RW
RFA - 1
SJS
Reedy, Scott
$842,500
C
RFA - 2
SJS
Blichfeld, Joachim
$750,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
SJS
Ferraro, Mario
$925,000
LD
RFA - 1
SJS
Burns, Brent
$8,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 4
SJS
Reimer, James
$2,250,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
SJS
Middleton, Jacob
$725,000
LD
RFA - 1
SJS
Karlsson, Erik
$11,500,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
SJS
Hill, Adin
$2,175,000
G
UFA - 2
SJS
Vlasic, Marc-Édouard
$7,000,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 5
SJS
Meloche, Nicolas
$750,000
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
SJS
Simek, Radim
$2,250,000
LD
UFA - 3
SJS
Knyzhov, Nikolai
$796,667
LD/RD
RFA - 1
SJS
Hatakka, Santeri
$850,833
LD
RFA - 3
SJS
Pederson, Lane
$750,000
C
RFA - 2
COL
Olausson, Oskar
$925,000
RW
RFA - 3
COL
Barron, Justin
$925,000
RD
RFA - 3
NYR
Kravtsov, Vitali
$925,000
RW
RFA - 1

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Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:10 p.m.
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thats too much to give up for a rental in Hertl. Avs would decline at that price. If they were willing to move a 1st Barron and Oskar they can get someone with term still thats an impact player

Pending UFA TDL moves dont net multiple top prospects from a team in a single trade
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Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:10 p.m.
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rangers would be wise to accept fills the big hole at 1RW
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Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:12 p.m.
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Quoting: coga16
thats too much to give up for a rental in Hertl. Avs would decline at that price. If they were willing to move a 1st Barron and Oskar they can get someone with term still thats an impact player

Pending UFA TDL moves dont net multiple top prospects from a team in a single trade


What would you be willing to give up for Hertl retained?
Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Vermathex
rangers would be wise to accept fills the big hole at 1RW


There’s no way the Rangers can afford Labanc’s contract long term. Especially if they believed they couldn’t afford a long term Pavel Buchnevich contract.
Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:13 p.m.
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I feel like the Rangers would be better off getting Hertl and strengthening down the middle...
Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:14 p.m.
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Edited Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:25 p.m.
Quoting: Vermathex
rangers would be wise to accept fills the big hole at 1RW


Labanc gets a hard rap in San Jose that I don’t feel is necessarily deserved. He’s a great offensive player, even better when he’s put with other offensive guys. The sharks don’t like his production but at the same time throw him on a line with Bonino and Cogliano and expect him to be great.
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Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:14 p.m.
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Quoting: glarson17
What would you be willing to give up for Hertl retained?


Maybe barron and a 1st, but really nothing more than that.
Rather try to do a Jost lesser prospect (kaut level) and a 1st type of move instead . Cant see Sakic trading his top prospects in barron Oskar or Helleson for rentals
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Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:16 p.m.
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Quoting: coga16
Maybe barron and a 1st, but really nothing more than that.
Rather try to do a Jost lesser prospect (kaut level) and a 1st type of move instead . Cant see Sakic trading his top prospects in barron Oskar or Helleson for rentals


I get they don’t want to give up much with him being a rental but the sharks can’t afford to move Hertl, their best player, for other teams lesser prospects especially when he is worth it. Any pick is going to be a late round pick as well
Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:17 p.m.
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Quoting: mhroblak
There’s no way the Rangers can afford Labanc’s contract long term. Especially if they believed they couldn’t afford a long term Pavel Buchnevich contract.


i guess it really depends on how much strome gets or if they let him walk. whatever they do though the 1RW needs to be addressed ASAP goodrow cannot play there.
Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:17 p.m.
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Quoting: NJDevils1317
I feel like the Rangers would be better off getting Hertl and strengthening down the middle...


I would see the sharks asking for a 1st and Schneider at least in a trade for Hertl.
Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:18 p.m.
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Quoting: glarson17
I get they don’t want to give up much with him being a rental but the sharks can’t afford to move Hertl, their best player, for other teams lesser prospects especially when he is worth it. Any pick is going to be a late round pick as well


then Avs probably are not your target trade partner. they need their higher end guys on ELCs to come in and fill spots as they become more expensive while keeping their cup windows open. Moving guys who can fill important spots for pure rentals doesn't really make sense
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Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:23 p.m.
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Quoting: coga16
thats too much to give up for a rental in Hertl. Avs would decline at that price. If they were willing to move a 1st Barron and Oskar they can get someone with term still thats an impact player

Pending UFA TDL moves don't net multiple top prospects from a team in a single trade


Honestly I see the sharks moving Hertl for less to a team that cannot resign him as a rental then resigning him this offseason.
we can then use the pieces we got for his rental to improve our depth and rebuild!
Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:25 p.m.
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Quoting: glarson17
Labanc gets a harp rap in San Jose that I don’t feel is necessarily deserved. He’s a great offensive player, even better when he’s put with other offensive guys. The sharks don’t like his production but at the same time throw him on a line with Bonino and Cogliano and expect him to be great.


I HATE how we are Utilizing him and feel the sharks are punishing him, he needs to be in our top 6 with productive guys so we can utilize his skill better.
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Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
Honestly I see the sharks moving Hertl for less to a team that cannot resign him as a rental then resigning him this offseason.
we can then use the pieces we got for his rental to improve our depth and rebuild!


In an ideal world yes he comes right back and all is great in the world, but I really wouldnt count on that. Its very very rare for a marquee player to get to UFA and decide to sign with his original team, I dont even think there is a recent example of a marquee guy being traded then signing back in the offseason.

Once he has a taste of UFA, its hard to put that genie back in the bottle. Especially if hes traded, Sharks will have all communication cut off from him March to July 1st.
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Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:30 p.m.
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Quoting: coga16
In an ideal world yes he comes right back and all is great in the world, but I really wouldnt count on that. Its very very rare for a marquee player to get to UFA and decide to sign with his original team, I dont even think there is a recent example of a marquee guy being traded then signing back in the offseason.

Once he has a taste of UFA, its hard to put that genie back in the bottle. Especially if hes traded, Sharks will have all communication cut off from him March to July 1st.


He has mentioned that he would sign for less with a contender if it’s a good fit. He’s also said he loves San Jose and has started a family there; he made it seems as though he doesn’t necessarily want to leave. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out.
Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:33 p.m.
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Quoting: glarson17
He has mentioned that he would sign for less with a contender if it’s a good fit. He’s also said he loves San Jose and has started a family there; he made it seems as though he doesn’t necessarily want to leave. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out.


players say a lot of things, mackinnon said he would sign for less with the avs on his next deal as well, until that actually happens it could just be a good sound byte by them.
ROR said he wanted to make it work with the Avs and stay there long term when the press asked him, clearly that wasnt his plans at all.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt but also wouldnt be shocked if he had the chance to take a contract somewhere else and make bank. will never fault a player for getting paid when they can
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Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:33 p.m.
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I cannot see JBB giving up a 1st for Nieto. I know he did for Goodrow, but based on the way the team is built this year I don’t feel like we have a need for Nieto at that price. Back in 2020 it was obvious we wanted premium bottom 6 pieces.
Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:41 p.m.
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The Nieto deal is outrageously overpriced.
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Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:46 p.m.
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Quoting: gary_bettman
The Nieto deal is outrageously overpriced.


Same trade they did for goodrow
Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:49 p.m.
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Quoting: glarson17
Same trade they did for goodrow


Goodrow was 25, a center, scored actual points, at the time was one of the best PKers in the league. Nieto is not any of those things. Goodrow played a gritty game suited for playoffs, still had upside (Nieto already hit his ceiling and is declining) and Nieto is injury prone. When Goodrow was traded he had 24 points. Nieto hasn't hit at least 24 in four years.
Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:54 p.m.
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Quoting: gary_bettman
Goodrow was 25, a center, scored actual points, at the time was one of the best PKers in the league. Nieto is not any of those things. Goodrow played a gritty game suited for playoffs, still had upside (Nieto already hit his ceiling and is declining) and Nieto is injury prone.


He doesn’t provide as much offense but he is a pk specialist, that’s what he is known for. He’s also on a cheap deal that has another year.
Nov. 22, 2021 at 3:55 p.m.
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Quoting: glarson17
He doesn’t provide as much offense but he is a pk specialist, that’s what he is known for. He’s also on a cheap deal that has another year.


Fine but if we're being realistic Nieto will return a 3rd at best, maybe a 4th.
Nov. 22, 2021 at 4:03 p.m.
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Quoting: coga16
In an ideal world yes he comes right back and all is great in the world, but I really wouldnt count on that. Its very very rare for a marquee player to get to UFA and decide to sign with his original team, I dont even think there is a recent example of a marquee guy being traded then signing back in the offseason.

Once he has a taste of UFA, its hard to put that genie back in the bottle. Especially if hes traded, Sharks will have all communication cut off from him March to July 1st.


so you make a side deal with the team to return a draft pick for his negotiating rights after their season ends!
and I've seen players return after being traded as rentals (Marleau last season, though he wasn't a Marque player by then)
Wilson would have to have a contract in place prior to trading him and hope Hertl understands this is 1, to give him a chance at a cup. and 2, this helps add pieces to rebuild the club he is coming back to and 3, the other team is aware of our plans and is ok with this knowing they are getting Hertl at a reduced rate for this very reason.
it's a risk but the worst case scenario we get a 1st for Hertl who left us, best case we get the pick and Hertl and speed up our rebuild that much more!
Nov. 22, 2021 at 4:07 p.m.
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Quoting: Florida_Man_Maroon
I cannot see JBB giving up a 1st for Nieto. I know he did for Goodrow, but based on the way the team is built this year I don’t feel like we have a need for Nieto at that price. Back in 2020 it was obvious we wanted premium bottom 6 pieces.


Quoting: gary_bettman
The Nieto deal is outrageously overpriced.


Goodrow was a Coaching dream player, middle 6 guy who could play on any line but was ideally suited for a 3rd line depth role, young on a 2 year deal paying him less than a mil a season. could score check hit and play on the PK and did everything a coach could ask of him short of being a 20+ goal guy!!!
Nieto is a good solid depth guy but lacks that pedigree that Goodrow had (hence the deal NY gave him!) ideal would be Nieto for a 3rd, but thats the MAX we could get for him.
Nov. 22, 2021 at 4:24 p.m.
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If Hertl signs an extension as part of the deal then sure
 
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