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TDL if sharks decide to retool

Created by: glarson17
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 22, 2021
Published: Nov. 22, 2021
Team: 2021-22 San Jose Sharks
Team Explanation
This is if the team is not contending, which I expect them to not be, and Doug Wilson tries to acquire assets.

It will be too costly to move Kane at this moment, so just keep him this season. Maybe in the off-season he can be moved for a more reasonable price or bought out etc.

I would like them to move on from Simek but they’ve tried to move him for a year now and it hasn’t happened.
Trades
1.
SJS
  1. Kravtsov, Vitali
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (NYR)
NYR
  1. Labanc, Kevin
2.
SJS
  1. 2022 1st round pick (TBL)
TBL
  1. Nieto, Matt
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (NYR)
3.
SJS
  1. Barron, Justin
  2. Olausson, Oskar
  3. 2023 1st round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Hertl, Tomas ($2,600,000 retained)
4.
SJS
  1. 2022 3rd round pick (FLA)
FLA
  1. Cogliano, Andrew ($250,000 retained)
Buyouts
  • Martin Jones: $1,916,667
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Tomas Hertl: $2,600,000 (46.22%)
  • Andrew Cogliano: $250,000 (25%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
SJS
TBL
SJS
FLA
SJS
BUF
SJS
SJS
ARI
MIN
2023
SJS
COL
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
2024
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
25$81,500,000$75,832,500$0$1,522,500$5,667,500
Left WingCenterRight Wing
SJS
Meier, Timo
$6,000,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
SJS
Couture, Logan
$8,000,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 6
SJS
Dahlén, Jonathan
$750,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
SJS
Kane, Evander
$7,000,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 4
SJS
Bonino, Nick
$2,050,000
C
NTC
UFA - 2
SJS
Barabanov, Alexander
$1,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
SJS
Gregor, Noah
$750,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
SJS
Weatherby, Jasper
$842,500
C
RFA - 2
SJS
Balcers, Rūdolfs
$1,550,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
SJS
Gadjovich, Jonah
$783,333
LW, RW
RFA - 1
SJS
Reedy, Scott
$842,500
C
RFA - 2
SJS
Blichfeld, Joachim
$750,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
SJS
Ferraro, Mario
$925,000
LD
RFA - 1
SJS
Burns, Brent
$8,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 4
SJS
Reimer, James
$2,250,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
SJS
Middleton, Jacob
$725,000
LD
RFA - 1
SJS
Karlsson, Erik
$11,500,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
SJS
Hill, Adin
$2,175,000
G
UFA - 2
SJS
Vlasic, Marc-Édouard
$7,000,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 5
SJS
Meloche, Nicolas
$750,000
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
SJS
Simek, Radim
$2,250,000
LD
UFA - 3
SJS
Knyzhov, Nikolai
$796,667
LD/RD
RFA - 1
SJS
Hatakka, Santeri
$850,833
LD
RFA - 3
SJS
Pederson, Lane
$750,000
C
RFA - 2
COL
Olausson, Oskar
$925,000
RW
RFA - 3
COL
Barron, Justin
$925,000
RD
RFA - 3
NYR
Kravtsov, Vitali
$925,000
RW
RFA - 1

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Nov. 22, 2021 at 4:25 p.m.
#26
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Quoting: glarson17
I would see the sharks asking for a 1st and Schneider at least in a trade for Hertl.


I mean, it's what the Rangers seem to need most. They do not have center depth... I believe if the Rangers are in a top 3 spot by the deadline, ownership has them make the splash.
Nov. 22, 2021 at 5:57 p.m.
#27
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
Honestly I see the sharks moving Hertl for less to a team that cannot resign him as a rental then resigning him this offseason.
we can then use the pieces we got for his rental to improve our depth and rebuild!


Except that 3 team trade to clause is going to make that very difficult. What if Hertl submits his 3 team list and it is VGK, TBL and COL? VGK and TBL don’t have assets or cap space, does that put SJS in a position to potentially lose him for nothing in the off season or accept a Jost 1st rd pick centric offer that is low?
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Nov. 22, 2021 at 6:15 p.m.
#28
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Quoting: Xqb15a
Except that 3 team trade to clause is going to make that very difficult. What if Hertl submits his 3 team list and it is VGK, TBL and COL? VGK and TBL don’t have assets or cap space, does that put SJS in a position to potentially lose him for nothing in the off season or accept a Jost 1st rd pick centric offer that is low?


Hertl would be open to more if the deal works for everyone.
Nov. 22, 2021 at 7:07 p.m.
#29
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Quoting: mhroblak
There’s no way the Rangers can afford Labanc’s contract long term. Especially if they believed they couldn’t afford a long term Pavel Buchnevich contract.


Yeah but that's true of every "name player" that's thrown around to fill the RW hole. At least Labanc will have 2 years left at a reasonable cap hit?
Nov. 22, 2021 at 8:01 p.m.
#30
Potvin sucks
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Quoting: OldSenileGuy
Yeah but that's true of every "name player" that's thrown around to fill the RW hole. At least Labanc will have 2 years left at a reasonable cap hit?


That's why every name player you see thrown around on this site won't be the long term RW option for the Rangers.
Also disagree that Labanc's cap hit is reasonable. He's a little overpaid to me.
Nov. 22, 2021 at 8:03 p.m.
#31
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Quoting: mhroblak
That's why every name player you see thrown around on this site won't be the long term RW option for the Rangers.
Also disagree that Labanc's cap hit is reasonable. He's a little overpaid to me.


Quoting: mhroblak
That's why every name player you see thrown around on this site won't be the long term RW option for the Rangers.
Also disagree that Labanc's cap hit is reasonable. He's a little overpaid to me.


If you put him in your top 6, he would be a 50 point player. $4.7 mil for a 50 point guys isn’t bad especially with the contracts that get handed out now.
Nov. 22, 2021 at 8:09 p.m.
#32
Potvin sucks
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Quoting: glarson17
If you put him in your top 6, he would be a 50 point player. $4.7 mil for a 50 point guys isn’t bad especially with the contracts that get handed out now.


His career high is 56 and I really don't know if he'll return to that level with better teammates.
Nov. 22, 2021 at 8:11 p.m.
#33
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Quoting: mhroblak
His career high is 56 and I really don't know if he'll return to that level with better teammates.


He scored 40 in 17-18 and 56 in 18-19. Put him with offensive players and he will produce.
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Nov. 22, 2021 at 8:15 p.m.
#34
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Quoting: glarson17
He scored 40 in 17-18 and 56 in 18-19. Put him with offensive players and he will produce.


Quoting: mhroblak
His career high is 56 and I really don't know if he'll return to that level with better teammates.


Changed the comment after lol

The last two seasons he has averaged .47 ppg and .51 ppg on very bad sharks teams while playing up and down the lineup. He absolutely can produce more with better teammates.
Nov. 22, 2021 at 10:08 p.m.
#35
Potvin sucks
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Quoting: glarson17
Changed the comment after lol

The last two seasons he has averaged .47 ppg and .51 ppg on very bad sharks teams while playing up and down the lineup. He absolutely can produce more with better teammates.


I didn’t change it after reading your reply. I realized I misread the stats about a minute after submitting. My apologies for that error. That said, I’m still skeptical about this. It seems like a pretty high risk move for my Rangers, even though it could definitely work.
Nov. 23, 2021 at 10:07 p.m.
#36
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Too much for a rental in Hertl. Not getting our top two prospects and a first.
Nov. 23, 2021 at 10:16 p.m.
#37
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Quoting: TJTwolf
Too much for a rental in Hertl. Not getting our top two prospects and a first.


Those aren’t your top two prospects
Nov. 23, 2021 at 10:18 p.m.
#38
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Quoting: glarson17
Those aren’t your top two prospects


Of those outside the NHL they are.
Nov. 23, 2021 at 10:19 p.m.
#39
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Quoting: TJTwolf
Of those outside the NHL they are.


Okay well 19 and 20 yo guys are still prospects
Nov. 23, 2021 at 10:33 p.m.
#40
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Quoting: glarson17
Okay well 19 and 20 yo guys are still prospects


True-ish, but only two are arguably higher than those two and neither of those should be prospects by the end of the year. Can't really consider them 'graduated' as yet (although Byram would probably be close if he hadn't been injured) but I tend to only really consider prospects as non-roster players aside from short term call ups. Byram is, or would be a bona fide roster player but for injury. Newhook may well be by the end of the season and as it stands is a roster player. As Byram is pretty much untouchable, and both he and Newhook would be out of the conversation in such a deal I pretty much figured people would understand what I meant by top two prospects but there we go......explained it for you.
Nov. 27, 2021 at 5:44 p.m.
#41
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That Colorado trade is ludicrous. Basically three first round picks for a rental. Eichel didn't even get that.
 
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