Overpay for Miller

That is basically the value of two firsts, correct?

too much for miller. newhook is needed for 2c next season.

Technically, I guess that's true since Newhook was a first round pick, but he's essentially untouchable. He's Colorado's best prospect, and they need him both now and in the future.

Barron plus their 2023 first is on the table (imo). They would ask for significant salary retention though (also imo).

Get real, Newhook is untouchable. VAN fans are turning into MTL fans. Hard no from COL.

JT Miller is a top 20-30 forward in the league. He makes 5.25 mil for this and next season. Newhook is a great prospect who likely never becomes as good as Miller.

That said maybe Compher (cap), Barron and 1st could work

I like how you arbitrarily decide how good somebody is and how good somebody is going to be. Regardlesss of your missives the Avs aren’t on any planet sending their top forward and d prospect in a trade for what is essentially a rental. What Newhook and Barron represent in the ice in elc contracts is worth SIGNIFICANTLY more to the Avs than a season and half of a guy they put on the 2nd line. Easy fast hard no.

I can pretty easily back it up with facts if you'd like. Just ask. I think you might not realize how good he is. Your chances of winning the cup go up significantly with 2 playoffs with Miller, and maybe even extend him. The window for Col starts now. Newhook is a stud obv but no one is projecting he'll be a top 20 fwd in the entire league. As for Barron lets see if he makes the league first. The value I think is there. It is a decision for Col to make though because it might shorten their window but it definitely makes them better.

Could even add a smaller piece to help it along. Motte for instance is an excellent bottom 6 fwd who could prob fetch a 3-4th round pick himself.

How do they go up significantly? You’re just making up things to support your argument. It cracks me up that people on here use the “chances go up of winning” on here. The Avs are already a cup favorite. And anybody saying they can project what anybody is going to be is full of it. And as for the Avs needing more bottom 6 that’s about the last thing they need. But regardless it’s a fast an easy no.

Vaguely put hes but Newhook has become a very solid NHLer at this point. He is no longer just a prospect drafted mid teens

Hahahaha no. < Burnaby Joe's reaction.

You seem cagey because I suggested adding a top 20 scorer, who can play any fwd position, plays a heavy two way game would help your chances of winning the cup. How does that idea upset you so much?

It doesn’t upset me a bit. If Avs fans in particular haven’t figured it out by now it’s that adding a top 6 forward is by no means any guarantee whatsoever of even advancing past the 2nd round, all ANY acquisition guarantees is that those potential assets will never play for you. COL is in an exceptionally nice spot that they are a cup favorite, young have a good pipeline and don’t have major cap issues. That all potentially changes this off season when when serious choices have to be made about Kuemper, Burakovsky, Kadri and Nichushkin. It’s ridiculous to even assume COL parts with 2 premium prospects that all but guarantees 2 and possibly 3 of aforementioned 4 players are gone the following year. Like said originally it is a ridiculous trade that no GM is making especially Sakic.

Miller is on a sweetheart of a deal. Burakovsky and Nichushkin are 2nd liners at best. Miller is a play driving 1st liner for 5.25 mil. Hes 30 you can also resign him and let others walk. Acting like Barron and Newhook is too much is a bit silly. You are hoping Barron becomes a regular NHLer and you are hoping Newhook becomes a good 2nd line center. You can have that now on your roster and have a better chance at winning while you have the cap. You wont guarantee a win no one can do that, you also can't guarantee Newhook and Barron will be good NHL players.

You’re delusional. Barron is a top 4 guy in the making. If he didn’t have the medical issue he had resolved through a standard surgery he was likely a top 10 pick. Newhook is already making it is showing why the Avs have him slotted as the 2C. Sweetheart deal that expires after next year and is 30 says all you need to say when the Avs core is all a whole contract phase younger at least. MacK 26, Mikko 25, Makar 23, Girard 23, Byram 20, Newhook 20 is the Avs core for the next half decade. The Avs don’t need Miller to be a cup contender. You don’t give up premium prospects for a season and a half of a guy you park on the 2nd line. Like I said easy fast hard no.

When do players fall off 34-35? So you could resign him and have him during your whole window. Whatever happens in 4-5 yrs the team is going to look drastically different in the cap era you can't keep everyone. Parking on the 2nd line haha as if thats a bad thing. We parked him there and he played 20 mins per night, won defensive zone face offs, scored goals, made plays, threw his weight around and we became a way better team. Anyway Ill leave it at that, you could be right the value could be slightly off but not by much you overvalue Barron in my opinion. By chance would you do Barron and Newhook for Horvat?

Hell no. I don’t think you understand how good Barron or Newhook are. It’s not an exaggeration to say that Newhook is basically untouchable. The core of the Avs meaning the ride or die guys MacKinnon Makar Rantanen Byram Landeskog and Newhook are who is going to either deliver a championship or tease out. Byram and Newhook because they are both expected to be huge parts of the team that are cost controlled. Barron isnt in that category but he isn’t being moved for a short term rental, and no matter what that’s what Miller is or would be to the Avs. To extend him he is justifiably going to want $7+M that would mean well over 50% of the cap going to 5 players. Miller is really good, but for the Avs he’s the type of guy you end up giving that contract to and it prevents you from adding any sort of veteran quality depth guys or having the immediate elc young guys to take those top roles. Neither Miller or Horvat are guys the Avs move Newhook for. Eichel was the only guy out there that Newhook gets moved for. Ultimately what it comes down to is Newhook at 40-50 pts on an ELC is worth significantly more to the Avs than Miller 60-70pts at his hit. Like I’ve been saying hard fast easy no,

Fair enough. Decent analysis. But then why would you move Newhook for Eichel who makes is it 10? Horvat makes 6 and prob it'll stay around there.

Islanders have no interest in giving up Dobson. Plus, I think we'd have to throw in a pick to entice the Canucks to take that Clutterbuck contract.

The rumor here was Newhook Girard a 1st and BUF retains. When the retention came up talks died. For what it is worth I do think the Avs would listen to trade with Barron as piece because they have Byram, Helleson and Behrens. The forward depth is much swallower that’s OTT of the reason Newhook is untouchable. Being short a 1st and 2nd next year and with all the contracts due Sakic is being being very careful about what he moves for what and in all honesty the potentially big issue is goalie unless Kuemper really gets it turned around.