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Canadiens trade value tiers

Created by: SevenLeg
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 24, 2021
Published: Nov. 24, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
Trades
1.
MTL
    SEA
      A - Explanation

      This is just my opinion. I wanted to recreate this idea from the Athletic from a Canadiens perspective: https://theathletic.com/2965506/2021/11/23/canucks-trade-value-tiers-2021-ranking-every-player-by-market-value/

      I'm willing to debate/discuss as long as the comments are constructive.
      2.
      MTL
        1. The untouchables tier
        SEA
        1. Suzuki, Nick
        3.
        MTL
          2. The short, polite conversation that ends with “Yeah, we’re not trading him” tier
          SEA
          1. Caufield, Cole
          4.
          MTL
            3. The “nice to have” tier
            SEA
            1. Allen, Jake
            2. Dvorak, Christian
            3. Edmundson, Joel
            4. Gallagher, Brendan
            5. Petry, Jeff
            Additional Details:
            Before jumping on the "Gallagher & Petry are negative value!" train, they're not. They were both performing at high levels just last season and Jeff Petry had Norris votes. He's a good #2 who has to handle the immense workload of a high-end #1... at 33-years-old. Down the road if they underperform through next season, they could find themselves in the "Could probably wriggle out of that contract tier", but not as it stands.
            5.
            MTL
              4. The “I’ll hear you out” tier
              SEA
              1. Drouin, Jonathan
              2. Hoffman, Mike
              3. Toffoli, Tyler
              6.
              MTL
                5. The “not untouchable young players we would want to hold on to” tier
                SEA
                1. Evans, Jake
                2. Norlinder, Mattias
                3. Poehling, Ryan
                4. Primeau, Cayden
                5. Romanov, Alexander
                7.
                MTL
                  6. The trade deadline rental tier
                  SEA
                  1. Chiarot, Ben
                  2. Kulak, Brett
                  3. Lehkonen, Artturi
                  4. Perreault, Mathieu
                  5. Wideman, Chris
                  8.
                  MTL
                    7. The expensive, backdoor cap savings tier
                    SEA
                    1. Weber, Shea
                    9.
                    MTL
                      8. Could probably wriggle out of that contract tier
                      SEA
                      1. Anderson, Josh
                      2. Armia, Joel
                      3. Savard, David
                      10.
                      MTL
                        9. Replacement level depth tier
                        SEA
                        1. Belzile, Alex
                        2. Montembeault, Samuel
                        3. Niku, Sami
                        4. Paquette, Cédric
                        5. Pezzetta, Michael
                        11.
                        MTL
                          10. Negative trade value tier
                          SEA
                          1. Byron, Paul
                          2. Price, Carey
                          Buyouts
                          • Karl Alzner: $1,958,333
                          DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
                          2022
                          CAR
                          MTL
                          MTL
                          ANA
                          CAR
                          MTL
                          TBL
                          MTL
                          MTL
                          MTL
                          STL
                          2023
                          MTL
                          MTL
                          MTL
                          MTL
                          MTL
                          MTL
                          MTL
                          2024
                          MTL
                          MTL
                          MTL
                          MTL
                          MTL
                          MTL
                          ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
                          21$81,500,000$21,265,060$597,561$535,000$60,234,940
                          Left WingCenterRight Wing
                          MTL
                          Mysak, Jan
                          $850,833
                          C, LW
                          RFA - 3
                          MTL
                          Kidney, Riley
                          $925,000
                          C
                          RFA
                          MTL
                          Ylönen, Jesse
                          $880,833
                          RW
                          RFA - 2
                          MTL
                          Tuch, Luke
                          $925,000
                          LW
                          RFA
                          MTL
                          Kapanen, Oliver
                          $925,000
                          C
                          RFA
                          MTL
                          Roy, Joshua
                          $925,000
                          RW
                          RFA
                          MTL
                          Farrell, Sean
                          $925,000
                          LW
                          RFA
                          MTL
                          Simoneau, Xavier
                          $925,000
                          C
                          RFA
                          MTL
                          Teasdale, Joël
                          $763,333
                          RW, LW
                          RFA - 1
                          MTL
                          Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël
                          $825,000
                          LW, RW
                          RFA - 2
                          MTL
                          Olofsson, Jacob
                          $925,000
                          C
                          RFA
                          MTL
                          Vejdemo, Lukas
                          $750,000
                          C, LW, RW
                          RFA - 1
                          Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
                          MTL
                          Guhle, Kaiden
                          $894,167
                          LD
                          RFA - 3
                          MTL
                          Mailloux, Logan
                          $925,000
                          RD
                          RFA
                          MTL
                          Vrbetic, Joe
                          $925,000
                          G
                          RFA
                          MTL
                          Harris, Jordan
                          $925,000
                          LD
                          RFA
                          MTL
                          Kostenko, Dmitri
                          $925,000
                          RD
                          RFA
                          MTL
                          Nissen Dichow, Frederik
                          $925,000
                          G
                          RFA
                          MTL
                          Struble, Jayden
                          $925,000
                          LD
                          RFA
                          MTL
                          Brook, Josh
                          $795,000
                          RD
                          RFA - 1
                          ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
                          MTL
                          Trudeau, William
                          $925,000
                          LD
                          RFA

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                          Nov. 24, 2021 at 1:50 p.m.
                          #1
                          Always in Pain
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                          Interesting.

                          Just curious, but from tiers 4 to 10, who do you think would bring Habs the biggest haul (of futures most likely)?
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                          Nov. 24, 2021 at 1:50 p.m.
                          #2
                          v5 CBJ GM
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                          I agree with this list, some might say Caufield or Price should be bumped up but they shouldn't
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                          Nov. 24, 2021 at 1:53 p.m.
                          #3
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                          looks about right
                          nicely done
                          Nov. 24, 2021 at 1:57 p.m.
                          #4
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                          Quoting: justaBoss
                          Interesting.

                          Just curious, but from tiers 4 to 10, who do you think would bring Habs the biggest haul (of futures most likely)?


                          I would say Toffoli because of term and name value
                          Then Chiarot because NHL GMs
                          Nov. 24, 2021 at 2:24 p.m.
                          #5
                          I post sometimes
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                          Quoting: Zuki9797
                          looks about right
                          nicely done


                          I agree, well done OP!
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                          Nov. 24, 2021 at 4:23 p.m.
                          #6
                          Joined: Mar. 2018
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                          Like most comments here, totally agree with the list breakdown. I think Suzuki is the clear untouchable of the group. The only one I question (because I'm a fan of him) is Price! I get it with the $10.5M cap hit and most recent surgery.....but

                          But the fact that he checked himself into the Players' Assistance program only means that is mental health (and physical) will only benefit him for the last four years of his contract. Say what you will, but he did take a mediocre team to the finals last season. That's right last season, not 5, not 8 or 10 yrs ago. The problem for MTL with a Carey Price trade is simply the expected return they may get for him. Habs would most def have to retain at least $2.5M to make any deal work. Also, they would need to forget about getting a first round pick (or multiple) in return. And they would certainly have to take cap back. But for me, that doesn't make his value negative, it just limits the number of teams that would actually be interested.

                          Let's keep in mind the most recent goalies to play past 37-38 yrs old. There was Lundqvist in NYR, Luongo in FLA and currently Smith in EDM and Anderson in BUF. Carey Price when healthy is better than any of these goalies - in the past, during their prime and when Price gets to their age! The only one that had really good numbers was Luongo and Price has always had better mobility and quickness than Luongo ever did. If he stays healthy, Price will still be a top 8-10 goalie in the NHL in the last year of his contract.

                          And for those that will say "but Carey's never one a Cup", the last time I checked only two goalies can win the cup every season - the #1 and his backup. Change Vasilevskiy for Price and Tampa still wins back to back Cups imo!
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