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Created by: Dekes

Team: 2021-22 Boston Bruins

Initial Creation Date: Nov. 24, 2021

Published: Nov. 24, 2021

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bruins not only improve their squad but acquire young players to help build around mcavoy, carlo, pasta post bergy/marchy era

zacha/pasta could workout in the future they are both czech and will be spending some extra time together outside the nhl where they could develop chemistry

hall also previously spent some time with zacha in jersey, maybe rather then focusing on getting a center to set up hall we find better goal scorers for hall to set up i think labanc and zacha have 20+ goal potential and if you got a 2nd line with 3 20 goal scorers that's a pretty good line. coyle and smith get 3rd line minutes and i could see them excelling as they will be most likely facing off against bottom d pairs and 2nd forward lines that are less defensive minded and more offensive minded usually

how i see lines should be designed
1ST LINE:
needs to be solid in all zones they need to be able to matchup against all lines and be able to hold their own and both ends of the ice.
2ND LINE:
This is a scoring line this is the line that when your 1st line is getting locked up a little this line try's to carry more of the load. this is line where depth scoring is key for a team's success
3RD LINE:
This line is a poor version of your first line again they need to be pretty good offensively but the main thing is they need to be very solid defensively this is the line you usually want matched up against teams top offensive lines and be able to contain them. You want this line to be more quantity of shots rather then quality, you get this line to tire out the other teams as they should be a physical, hard working line
4TH LINE:
This is a momentum line when your other 3 lines aren't succeeding you send this line out to turn the tide. This line is pure hustle they have a big motor and are relentless, they are a fundamental line they aren't fancy they just play old school hockey, they remind the other lines to sometimes play more simple and things will start to fall in place. this line when playing good can re-energize the whole team to start playing up to set standards again, these guys go out there and work hard for every dollar they are being paid

those standards for lines are how i built this bruins squad which i can see having a lot of success if everyone is on the same page of doing whatever it takes to win lord stanley

Trades

BOS

Graves, Ryan
Zacha, Pavel
2022 4th round pick (NJD)

NJD

Beecher, John [Reserve List]
Vaakanainen, Urho
2022 1st round pick (BOS)
2022 3rd round pick (CGY)
2023 2nd round pick (BOS)

Additional Details:

beecher 2nd = zacha
vaak 1st 3rd= graves 4th

BOS

2022 2nd round pick (CBJ)

CBJ

Reilly, Mike

BOS

Labanc, Kevin

SJS

DeBrusk, Jake
2022 4th round pick (BOS)

BOS

ARI

Moore, John
Schmaltz, Jake [Reserve List]
2023 4th round pick (BOS)

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Chris Wagner: $225,000 ($1,350,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$80,177,341	$1,956,507	$125,000	$1,322,659

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Marchand, Brad $6,125,000$6,125,000 LW NMC UFA - 4	Bergeron, Patrice $6,875,000$6,875,000 C M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1	Pastrnak, David $6,666,667$6,666,667 RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2
Hall, Taylor $6,000,000$6,000,000 LW NMC UFA - 4	Zacha, Pavel $2,250,000$2,250,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Labanc, Kevin $4,725,000$4,725,000 RW, LW UFA - 3
Foligno, Nick $3,800,000$3,800,000 LW, C, RW NMC UFA - 2	Coyle, Charlie $5,250,000$5,250,000 C, RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 5	Smith, Craig $3,100,000$3,100,000 RW UFA - 2
Haula, Erik $2,375,000$2,375,000 C, LW UFA - 2		Lazar, Curtis $800,000$800,000 RW, C UFA - 1
	Nosek, Tomas $1,750,000$1,750,000 LW, C UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Graves, Ryan $3,166,667$3,166,667 LD UFA - 2	McAvoy, Charlie $4,900,000$4,900,000 RD UFA - 1	Ullmark, Linus $5,000,000$5,000,000 G NMC UFA - 4
Grzelcyk, Matt $3,687,500$3,687,500 LD UFA - 3	Carlo, Brandon $4,100,000$4,100,000 RD UFA - 6	Swayman, Jeremy $925,000$925,000 ($125,000$125K) G RFA - 2
Forbort, Derek $3,000,000$3,000,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 3	Zboril, Jakub $725,000$725,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Frederic, Trent $1,050,000$1,050,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
Clifton, Connor $1,000,000$1,000,000 RD UFA - 2
Kuhlman, Karson $725,000$725,000 RW UFA - 1

Nov. 24, 2021 at 5:01 p.m.

CalvinKlein

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Zacha has proven over the last 5 years that he's not a top 6 center, maybe targeting Hertl would be a better option.

Also, there's no way that the Devils will trade Ryan Graves at this point.

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Nov. 24, 2021 at 5:04 p.m.

zyyyp

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Devils don't have much interest here, Zacha's turned into a decent scorer and Graves has had a big impact defensively. Can't see them shipping off significant players right when the team is starting to turn the corner.

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Nov. 24, 2021 at 5:05 p.m.

Rob32sjsharks

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Your Idea of how lines should be set up is so very spot on!!!
it's not always executed exactly this way as you get players sometimes who don't quite fit the Mantra but this is what you strive for and then make adjustments when you have to to fit players into the lineup.
that being said Labanc has 20 goal potential but he is more of a facilitator most times. his shot is lethal but he tends to be a pass first guy more often than not (except on the power play)
that being said in Boston I would not be surprised to see him end up a 50 point guys paired with hall.

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Nov. 24, 2021 at 5:17 p.m.

NHLfan10506

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Beecher -- Not sure about him. Need to see stretch without injury.
Vaakanainen -- We have plenty of better LD prospects.

Not sure the Devils would be outright sellers at this point so its a bit moot.

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Nov. 24, 2021 at 5:21 p.m.

Dekes

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Dekesaladekes

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Quoting: CalvinKlein

Zacha has proven over the last 5 years that he's not a top 6 center, maybe targeting Hertl would be a better option.

Also, there's no way that the Devils will trade Ryan Graves at this point.

is there a price you would accept for graves or is it just more or less because you guys just acquired him? I see the san jose trade happening before TD but jersey trade would definitely be a TD trade

Nov. 24, 2021 at 5:25 p.m.

Dekes

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Dekesaladekes

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

i think if labanc just became a lot more confident in being shoot first he would do well with hall and as hall is really good at get the puck to his teammates at close ranger. even then though labanc's facilitating skills would still be quite useful if he was with coyle and hall as they both are decent goal scorers as well. and ya i agree those are like perfect line scenarios im just hoping B's can build something along the lines of those standards as they usually tend to work out quite well. those lines are literally how tampa's back to back team was made

Nov. 24, 2021 at 5:27 p.m.

Dekes

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Dekesaladekes

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

ya i agree beecher has looked pretty decent so far this season would be easier to judge his value once he gets about 20+ games in this season. i also kinda just threw in vaak as he is still young and now that you are out a LHD he might provide good depth or 3rd pairing. i was thinking about clifton or lyle plus and extra pick instead but your RHD's are pretty stacked with dougie, severson, subban

Nov. 24, 2021 at 5:29 p.m.

vr1995

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i dont think the difference between debust and labanc is a 4th

Nov. 24, 2021 at 5:31 p.m.

CalvinKlein

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Quoting: Dekes

They just got him, plus he's playing pretty well and the Devils don't have anyone to take his spot if he leaves. If Luke Hughes was coming up this year, then I could see it happening, but unless the Devils get back a defenseman to replace Graves, I can't see them trading him.

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Nov. 24, 2021 at 7:00 p.m.

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NHLfan10506

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Quoting: Dekes

Subban is a pending UFA, so certainly much more likely to end up in trade.

Nov. 24, 2021 at 8:05 p.m.

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Viqsi

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Rielly had his chance to be a Blue Jacket when we drafted him, and he opted to blow us off and pursue the college free agency loophole, and now there's nowhere in the lineup for him to play. No thanks.

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Nov. 24, 2021 at 8:07 p.m.

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Dekes

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Dekesaladekes

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Subban is a pending UFA, so certainly much more likely to end up in trade.

what would be your thoughts on beecher 2022 and 2023 2nds for zacha and subban 50% retained?

Nov. 24, 2021 at 8:07 p.m.

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Dekes

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Quoting: Viqsi

my bad didnt know about that

Nov. 24, 2021 at 10:19 p.m.

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bhavikp27

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Way too much for Ryan Graves, a bottom-4 D in case you forgot.

Nov. 24, 2021 at 10:24 p.m.

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Dekes

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Quoting: bhavikp27

Way too much for Ryan Graves, a bottom-4 D in case you forgot.

id say he is a solid 3-4 dman looked great with makar so i don't see why he wouldn't look great with mcavoy

Nov. 25, 2021 at 7:44 a.m.

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bhavikp27

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Quoting: Dekes

id say he is a solid 3-4 dman looked great with makar so i don't see why he wouldn't look great with mcavoy

Sure, but maybe that's the reason you don't overpay for him. Makar, Hamilton, McAvoy all elite D that would make him look better than he actually is.

Bruins signed Reilly, they aren't trading him.

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Nov. 25, 2021 at 10:37 a.m.

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CMcAvoy73

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Zacha and labanc aren’t top six players.

I like graves. Solid player. This price tag seems absurd. I thhink this just ties the team to mediocrity for a long time.

Nov. 25, 2021 at 10:38 a.m.

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Quoting: bhavikp27

Sure, but maybe that's the reason you don't overpay for him. Makar, Hamilton, McAvoy all elite D that would make him look better than he actually is.

Bruins signed Reilly, they aren't trading him.

Hamilton isn’t elite.

Nov. 25, 2021 at 10:38 a.m.

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CMcAvoy73

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Quoting: Dekes

what would be your thoughts on beecher 2022 and 2023 2nds for zacha and subban 50% retained?

Subban should be nowhere near the Bruins at any price. 50% retained for a 7th? Absolutely not. He’s awful.

Nov. 25, 2021 at 2:11 p.m.

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Dekes

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Quoting: CMcAvoy73

Zacha and labanc aren’t top six players.

I like graves. Solid player. This price tag seems absurd. I thhink this just ties the team to mediocrity for a long time.

even then though if those deals were to be made. have your 2nd line hall- coyle- smith
and then third line foligno-zacha- labanc i really like labanc's game and zacha has been starting to breakout these last 2 seasons

Nov. 26, 2021 at 1:19 a.m.

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CMcAvoy73

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Quoting: Dekes

If upgrades, mediocre upgrades for two of the teams top prospects, a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and debrusk. Seems horrific to me. Those assets could get a legit improvement.

Nov. 26, 2021 at 3:58 a.m.

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Dekes

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Dekesaladekes

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Quoting: CMcAvoy73

If upgrades, mediocre upgrades for two of the teams top prospects, a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and debrusk. Seems horrific to me. Those assets could get a legit improvement.

true but on ACGM's fans would look at those 6 assets combined for 1 top player and maybe 1 3rd liner/ 4-5 dman and be like wow a whole lot of trash when in reality a gm who plans to rebuild would look at that and see 3 young players all capable of becoming either a top 6/ top 4 player or almost guaranteed decent depth player and 3 high rd picks where i get to decide who i want to help build around my core players but unfortunately a lot of people including myself sometimes don't understand how hockey and trade value actually works. one of my pet peeves is advanced analytics and point totals sometimes they are useful but you know what is even more useful is just watching them play and seeing how they actually influence the game most stats and analytics reflect a players linemates aswell they don't usually show that this player is also having to carry a line with 2 fringe 3rd liners or that his d partner has the IQ of Craig button (BTW i think he is an absolute idiot if you can't tell) and due to him having to defend so many 2 on 1s it reflects badly on him.

Nov. 26, 2021 at 10:02 a.m.

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Quoting: Dekes

Ya i don’t get how this has anything to do with you trading a pile of assets to not make the team better.

Nov. 26, 2021 at 1:04 p.m.

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Dekes

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Quoting: CMcAvoy73

Ya i don’t get how this has anything to do with you trading a pile of assets to not make the team better.

debrusk for labanc is a change of scenery trade labanc helps us as now we get a right handed shot for the 2nd line
zacha is an upgrade over haula or nosek at 3c and would allow us to have a higher tier 4th line of haula, nosek, lazar
graves would be our best LHD on the team i would say we are getting better might not be dramatically better but all 3 players are young enough to still develop and might work better in cassidy's system.
for ex. debrusk is not that good of passer but labanc is an good playmaker and has a high caliber shot pair him with hall and coyle and we might see even more production outta that line as now we have someone who can actually set up hall and coyle rather then them always having to make their own plays

Nov. 26, 2021 at 2:08 p.m.

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Quoting: Dekes

Pile of assets and not making the team better. Doesn’t change. It’s a franchise destroyer, and would have a lot of folks in this front office looking for jobs.

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