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Whats the price

Created by: soooonk
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 25, 2021
Published: Nov. 25, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Calgary Flames
Team Explanation
Flames should (imo) be targeting a top 6 and bottom 6 forward (and maybe a LD for the 3rd pair).
Avoided RFAs with the Flames contract situation next season so mainly looking at UFAs with a year left (except Toffoli and Brown who have multiple years left but could fit the team well).
A couple players I left off because the teams were middle pf the pac, but we can look at them closer to the deadline.


So, what's the price of these guys?
Trades
1.
CGY
  1. Rakell, Rickard
ANA
    2.
    CGY
    1. Pavelski, Joe ($3,500,000 retained)
    DAL
      3.
      CGY
      1. Leddy, Nick ($2,500,000 retained)
      DET
        4.
        CGY
        1. Toffoli, Tyler
        MTL
          5.
          CGY
          1. Brown, Connor
          OTT
            6.
            CGY
            1. Tierney, Chris
            OTT
              7.
              CGY
              1. Kessel, Phil ($3,000,000 retained)
              ARI
                Buyouts
                • Troy Brouwer: $1,500,000
                DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
                2022
                CGY
                CGY
                FLA
                CGY
                CGY
                2023
                CGY
                CGY
                CGY
                CGY
                CGY
                CGY
                CGY
                2024
                CGY
                CGY
                CGY
                CGY
                CGY
                CGY
                CGY
                ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
                29$81,500,000$105,889,444$0$0-$24,389,444
                Left WingCenterRight Wing
                CGY
                Gaudreau, Johnny
                $6,750,000
                LW
                NTC
                UFA - 1
                CGY
                Lindholm, Elias
                $4,850,000
                C, RW
                UFA - 3
                CGY
                Tkachuk, Matthew
                $7,000,000
                LW, RW
                RFA - 1
                CGY
                Coleman, Blake
                $4,900,000
                LW, RW
                NTC
                UFA - 6
                CGY
                Backlund, Mikael
                $5,350,000
                C
                NTC
                UFA - 3
                CGY
                Mangiapane, Andrew
                $2,425,000
                LW, RW
                RFA - 1
                CGY
                Dubé, Dillon
                $2,300,000
                RW, LW
                RFA - 3
                CGY
                Monahan, Sean
                $6,375,000
                C
                NTC
                UFA - 2
                CGY
                Pitlick, Tyler
                $1,750,000
                RW
                UFA - 1
                CGY
                Lucic, Milan
                $5,250,000
                LW
                NMC NTC
                UFA - 2
                CGY
                Richardson, Brad
                $800,000
                C
                UFA - 1
                CGY
                Lewis, Trevor
                $800,000
                RW
                UFA - 1
                OTT
                Tierney, Chris
                $3,500,000
                C
                UFA - 1
                OTT
                Brown, Connor
                $3,600,000
                LW, RW
                UFA - 2
                MTL
                Toffoli, Tyler
                $4,250,000
                LW, RW
                UFA - 3
                DAL
                Pavelski, Joe
                $3,500,000
                RW, C
                NTC
                UFA - 1
                ARI
                Kessel, Phil
                $3,800,000
                RW
                NMC NTC
                UFA - 1
                ANA
                Rakell, Rickard
                $3,789,444
                RW, LW
                UFA - 1
                Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
                CGY
                Hanifin, Noah
                $4,950,000
                LD
                UFA - 3
                CGY
                Andersson, Rasmus
                $4,550,000
                RD
                UFA - 5
                CGY
                Markström, Jacob
                $6,000,000
                G
                NMC
                UFA - 5
                CGY
                Kylington, Oliver
                $750,000
                LD
                RFA - 1
                CGY
                Tanev, Christopher
                $4,500,000
                RD
                NTC
                UFA - 3
                CGY
                Vladar, Daniel
                $750,000
                G
                RFA - 2
                CGY
                Zadorov, Nikita
                $3,750,000
                LD/RD
                UFA - 1
                CGY
                Gudbranson, Erik
                $1,950,000
                RD
                UFA - 1
                DET
                Leddy, Nick
                $3,000,000
                LD
                UFA - 1
                ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
                CGY
                Stone, Michael
                $750,000
                RD
                UFA - 1
                CGY
                Ritchie, Brett
                $900,000
                RW
                UFA - 1
                CGY
                Välimäki, Juuso
                $1,550,000
                LD
                RFA - 2

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                Nov. 25, 2021 at 12:37 p.m.
                #1
                scott sabourin
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                The cost is the price.
                Nov. 25, 2021 at 12:44 p.m.
                #2
                PlusMinus is stupid
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                Leddy without retention, a mid 2nd to late 2nd, Leddy with retention a mid-late 1st to a high 2nd
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                Nov. 25, 2021 at 12:45 p.m.
                #3
                Hockey247
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                valimaki, and a 1st should get you toffoli.
                Nov. 25, 2021 at 12:49 p.m.
                #4
                I post sometimes
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                MTL trade:

                The problem is that the price to pay for Toffoli would probably be a player in your Core that you need to make the playoffs.

                Maybe a first and a prospect... but at 4M$ Toffoli is a bargain and your first is gonna be high, and I'm not high on any particuliar Flame prospect except Pelletier or Matt Coronato.

                both of which I don't think you are willing to part with.
                Nov. 25, 2021 at 12:49 p.m.
                #5
                I post sometimes
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                Quoting: Hockey247
                valimaki, and a 1st should get you toffoli.


                We have too many LHD - He would need to be a RHD to work.
                Nov. 25, 2021 at 12:50 p.m.
                #6
                Hockey247
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                Quoting: MTLaveragefan
                We have too many LHD - He would need to be a RHD to work.


                whose a good rhd on the flames prospect pool?
                Nov. 25, 2021 at 12:51 p.m.
                #7
                I post sometimes
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                Quoting: Hockey247
                whose a good rhd on the flames prospect pool?


                Don't know - maybe a Flames fan could chime in?
                Nov. 25, 2021 at 12:52 p.m.
                #8
                Lenny7
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                Anaheim: I'd be super surprised if the Ducks don't get a 1st+so/so prospect for Rakell, especially if there's retention. Flames and Ducks are also in the same division, so if Anaheim is still on the bubble, I can't imagine them making a trade with them.
                Dallas: Pavelski is still producing. He also has a 3 team trade list, so I'd be really, really surprised if it didn't include every team in Canada.
                Detroit: It was a 2nd and a semi-dump for the Wings to get Leddy. He's still playing reasonably well, so with retention, I can't see it being much less than a 2nd. Maybe a 3rd or B prospect instead?
                MTL: Toffoli's numbers and contract mirror JT Miller's when he was moved from Tampa to Van. That was for a 1st+3rd. Probably *should* cost around the same.
                Ottawa: I've gotta imagine that the Sens value Brown extremely highly. No idea on the cost, but he's a solid producer offensively, while starting a hilariously low 38.2% of his even strength shifts in the offensive zone. With Tierney, I'd imagine a 3rd or 4th would do it.
                Arizona: Kessel is still a pretty dynamic player. If they're going to retain 50%, I'd imagine they'd ask for a 1st, and possibly settle for a 2nd+decent prospect. Hard to know though.

                It all sort of depends on how the next couple of months shake out, and how many actual sellers are out there.
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                Nov. 25, 2021 at 12:53 p.m.
                #9
                Lenny7
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                Quoting: DeadWingsv2
                Leddy without retention, a mid 2nd to late 2nd, Leddy with retention a mid-late 1st to a high 2nd


                tears of joy A 1st for Leddy? You got him for a 2nd and a cap dump.
                Nov. 25, 2021 at 12:54 p.m.
                #10
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                If I'm Ottawa I'm asking for a 1st + for Connor Brown at 50% retained. Easily worth as much as Blake Coleman went for to Tampa. Sens offer him up, they'll get calls from just about every playoff team in the league.

                Tierney I'd expect closer to a 3rd, though I wonder if they'll even be able to trade him. Even assuming Stützle sticks down the middle, they'd be running a really thin C group.
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                Nov. 25, 2021 at 12:57 p.m.
                #11
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                Quoting: DeadWingsv2
                Leddy without retention, a mid 2nd to late 2nd, Leddy with retention a mid-late 1st to a high 2nd


                I dont think Detroit should move leddy rn hes played well so far but thats a fair price
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                Nov. 25, 2021 at 1:00 p.m.
                #12
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                I think Montreal would look at a 2023 1st + maybe Emille-Petterson or similar prospect or value pick
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                Nov. 25, 2021 at 1:05 p.m.
                #13
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                Pavs retained should get a first and a third. Or maybe two seconds, one with a condition to become a first (kinda like what we paid for Zucc)
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                Nov. 25, 2021 at 1:07 p.m.
                #14
                Lenny7
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                Quoting: SlevinKalevra
                Pavs retained should get a first and a third. Or maybe two seconds, one with a condition to become a first (kinda like what we paid for Zucc)


                Seems fairly fair, but can only be traded to 3 teams though...I can't imagine there's a Canadian team on that list.
                Nov. 25, 2021 at 1:12 p.m.
                #15
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                Quoting: Lenny7
                Seems fairly fair, but can only be traded to 3 teams though...I can't imagine there's a Canadian team on that list.


                His list could absolutely hurt his value. If there’s somewhere he wants to go he’s earned it. Is what it is. I think Rads would be a better fit for Calgary anyways
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                Nov. 25, 2021 at 1:17 p.m.
                #16
                Lenny7
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                Quoting: SlevinKalevra
                His list could absolutely hurt his value. If there’s somewhere he wants to go he’s earned it. Is what it is. I think Rads would be a better fit for Calgary anyways


                I feel like you guys are finally healthy, and that you won't have to worry too much about selling anyway.
                Nov. 25, 2021 at 1:48 p.m.
                #17
                sensonfire
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                Connor Brown -- The equivalent to what Tampa paid for Blake Coleman.

                Chris Tierney -- A 3rd round pick and it will cost you an additional 5th round pick if you want Ottawa to retain salary.
                Nov. 25, 2021 at 4:15 p.m.
                #18
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                Quoting: Lenny7
                I feel like you guys are finally healthy, and that you won't have to worry too much about selling anyway.


                Health hasn’t been an issue so far this year. Scoring and coaching have. I don’t know who’s been running things lately but I like the way we’ve been playing
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                Nov. 25, 2021 at 4:30 p.m.
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                Quoting: Lenny7
                tears of joy A 1st for Leddy? You got him for a 2nd and a cap dump.


                That’s not exactly true. We got him for a second rounder and retained half on Panik who costs nearly no cap for being sent down. Not exactly “cap dump” unless you’re talking about actual cash output. In this offer the first rounder is on a retained Leddy so not 1:1 and typically what top 4 defensemen go for at TDL or like the poster said 2nd +.
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                Nov. 25, 2021 at 6:59 p.m.
                #20
                GOHABSGO
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                Pelletier and a 2022 first who’ll likely be from 20th to 25th as I see them as a first round exit. That would get you Toffoli who’s a 25 goal scorer on a steal of a deal… Hes very streaky tho
                Nov. 25, 2021 at 7:06 p.m.
                #21
                PlusMinus is stupid
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                Edited Nov. 25, 2021 at 9:48 p.m.
                Quoting: Lenny7
                tears of joy A 1st for Leddy? You got him for a 2nd and a cap dump.

                Yea, because he's on an expiring deal and is a puck moving, top pair guy... Do you follow trade deadlines and values AT ALL?
                Nov. 25, 2021 at 7:21 p.m.
                #22
                Days of our Hawks
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                Brown would be a little high
                Nov. 25, 2021 at 11:50 p.m.
                #23
                Lenny7
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                Quoting: DeadWingsv2
                Yea, because he's on an expiring deal and is a puck moving, top pair guy... Do you follow trade deadlines and values AT ALL?


                Yup, I sure do! Here’s some solid trivia: who was the last pending UFA LD that netted a 1st. You’ve gotta go back a while to get there 😊.
                Nov. 26, 2021 at 3:16 a.m.
                #24
                PlusMinus is stupid
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                Edited Nov. 26, 2021 at 4:11 a.m.
                Quoting: Lenny7
                Yup, I sure do! Here’s some solid trivia: who was the last pending UFA LD that netted a 1st. You’ve gotta go back a while to get there 😊.

                Hahahaha... Ok, we're limiting it to handedness... Get outta here...

                Also, Muzzin at the 2019 deadline... You don't have to go back far, at all...
                Nov. 27, 2021 at 8:24 a.m.
                #25
                Lenny7
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                Quoting: DeadWingsv2
                Hahahaha... Ok, we're limiting it to handedness... Get outta here...

                Also, Muzzin at the 2019 deadline... You don't have to go back far, at all...


                …interesting to compare an expiring contract to a guy who still had a full season on his deal, but whatever serves your narrative I suppose.
                 
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