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Trading some Vets - Detailed Offseason

Created by: GMs
Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 27, 2021
Published: Nov. 28, 2021
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
1- The trades are already explain briefly
2- Contract could differ (Ex:Lehkonen, I went worse case scenario & I took Brock McGinn as a comparable / Subban should take less but just in case I went again worse case scenario, fans would love Subban back)
3- Carey Price isn’t traded because no teams are welling to trade positive assets for him. Price mentor Primeau
4- MTL aren’t rushing young players anymore, everyone in the CHL stays there & everyone in the NCAA outside Harris stays as well. Mysak Guhle Norlinder Suzuki Foote Ylönen RHP Teasdale Fairbrother Hillis Brook D’Orio will all play for the Laval Rocket.
5- Jacob Olofsson (2018 2nd round pick) & Arvid Henrikson (2016 7th round pick) are not receiving their ELC
6- Nick Suzuki is named Captain with Edmundson & Anderson as is assistant
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
2$925,000
2$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$2,750,000
2$1,550,000
2$1,050,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$3,000,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Savoie, Matthew
3$925,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Fast, Jesper
  2. Suzuki, Ryan
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (CAR)
Additional Details:
Focus on the return is Ryan Suzuki
Fast has value but money need to be sent out
The 2024 2nd round pick is for the big retention
CAR
  1. Toffoli, Tyler ($2,125,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Top 6 RW who can play both side
2.
MTL
  1. Foote, Nolan
  2. Johnsson, Andreas
  3. 2022 2nd round pick (NJD)
Additional Details:
MTL mainly moves on with Gally
We have other young veterans like Anderson Edmundson
NJD
  1. Gallagher, Brendan
Additional Details:
NJ gets a good veteran
3.
MTL
  1. Caulfield, Judd [Reserve List]
  2. D'Orio, Alex [RFA Rights]
  3. Zucker, Jason
Additional Details:
Change of scenery for Zucker
Allen vs D’Orio & Caulfield
PIT
  1. Allen, Jake ($1,437,500 retained)
  2. Drouin, Jonathan
Additional Details:
Change of scenery for Drouin
Allen vs D’Orio & Caulfield
4.
MTL
  1. 2022 1st round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
MTL ends up with a top 10 pick
ARI
  1. 2022 1st round pick (CAR)
Additional Details:
ARI gets the worse pick since it was top 10 protected
5.
MTL
  1. 2022 1st round pick (EDM)
EDM
    Ben Chiarot Half Retained 2022 TDL
    Could be another team, whoever overpaid for him
    Buyouts
    Retained Salary Transactions
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2022
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    Logo of the CAR
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    Logo of the TBL
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    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the STL
    2023
    Logo of the MTL
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    Logo of the MTL
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    2024
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$82,500,000$76,877,916$1,132,500$850,000$5,622,084
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    LW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $7,875,000$7,875,000
    C
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    RW, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    LW, RW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $4,450,000$4,450,000
    C
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $2,750,000$2,750,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,700,000$1,700,000
    C
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $3,400,000$3,400,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $3,400,000$3,400,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $750,000$750,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
    $2,000,000$2,000,000
    RW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $875,000$875,000
    LD/RD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $2,343,750$2,343,750
    RD
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $10,500,000$10,500,000
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,550,000$1,550,000
    LD
    RFA - 3
    $3,000,000$3,000,000
    RD
    UFA
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,050,000$1,050,000
    G
    RFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $925,000$925,000
    LD/RD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $3,500,000$3,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 3
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the New Jersey Devils
    $3,400,000$3,400,000
    LW, RW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $7,857,143$7,857,143
    RD
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $750,000$750,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $750,000$750,000
    LD/RD
    UFA
    Taxi Squad
    Savoie, Matthew
    $925,000$925,000 ($0$0$0$0)

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    Nov. 28, 2021 at 11:52 a.m.
    #1
    Speak of the Devil
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    Devils wouldn't want Gallagher's contract and Johnsson is playing better than Gallagher this season
    Nov. 28, 2021 at 12:07 p.m.
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    Carolina declines.

    This is what Toffoli is worth:

    https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/players/tyler-toffoli
    Nov. 28, 2021 at 12:12 p.m.
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    Quoting: sensonfire
    Carolina declines.

    This is what Toffoli is worth:

    https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/players/tyler-toffoli


    Tyler Madden & a 2nd was great value for TT has a rental
    This is 3 offseason with TT a little bit over 2M AAV
    Nov. 28, 2021 at 12:17 p.m.
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    Take out Suzuki and you have FMV and Canes consider. As is it’s a joke.
    Nov. 28, 2021 at 12:26 p.m.
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    Lmao people really think that's an overpayment for 2.5 years of Toffoli at just over $2m
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    Nov. 28, 2021 at 12:35 p.m.
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    Quoting: Devil1122
    Devils wouldn't want Gallagher's contract and Johnsson is playing better than Gallagher this season


    Interesting tidbit: Gallagher was Ty Smith's housemate last couple summers.

    I'd take him for 2-3 years...but 6 more might be tough.
    Nov. 28, 2021 at 12:49 p.m.
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    Quoting: GMs
    Tyler Madden & a 2nd was great value for TT has a rental
    This is 3 offseason with TT a little bit over 2M AAV


    I don't think the Canes give up on Suzuki for two years of TT.

    Sorry.
    Nov. 28, 2021 at 1:05 p.m.
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    Lmao people really think that's an overpayment for 2.5 years of Toffoli at just over $2m


    Go back 2 years and Ducks offer Rakell with 1.8 retention for Nick Suzuki, Armia, 2nd. Think it’s a good deal?
    Nov. 28, 2021 at 1:07 p.m.
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    Pens decline. Zucker is better than Drouin. And the Allen upgrade at backup isn’t enough to sway the pens. Nor do they have the cap space anyway.

    http://naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=ev&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&p1=8477494&p2=8475722&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single

    Just to give you an idea of how much better Zucker is than Drouin. Not to mention Zucker is way better in the locker room and of a teammate.
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    Nov. 28, 2021 at 1:12 p.m.
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    Quoting: Gofnut999
    Go back 2 years and Ducks offer Rakell with 1.8 retention for Nick Suzuki, Armia, 2nd. Think it’s a good deal?


    Nick Suzuki and Ryan Suzuki were always in different tiers. Ryan's projections have him top as a middle six guy. So a B prospect + a 2nd for a proven top six forward with term at just over $2M is not an overpayment at all. The Habs have no need for Jesper Fast either and can take a lesser player to balance the cap.
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    Nov. 28, 2021 at 1:18 p.m.
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    Quoting: SevenLeg
    Nick Suzuki and Ryan Suzuki were always in different tiers. Ryan's projections have him top as a middle six guy. So a B prospect + a 2nd for a proven top six forward with term at just over $2M is not an overpayment at all. The Habs have no need for Jesper Fast either and can take a lesser player to balance the cap.


    At one point Nick was not seen as a #1 either. But i agree Nick is > Ryan. Poehling prob a better comparison but he is looking like a spare part as opposed to an asset at this point so…
    Nov. 28, 2021 at 1:25 p.m.
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    Quoting: Gofnut999
    At one point Nick was not seen as a #1 either. But i agree Nick is > Ryan. Poehling prob a better comparison but he is looking like a spare part as opposed to an asset at this point so…


    Nick always had first line upside, especially at the time of the draft. It became questionable during the WJCs, but it was always there. Ryan on the other hand never had that upside. His projections have him as a good 3rd line guy, like a Radek Faksa kind of guy. This is a good trade for the Hurricanes value-wise but I understand if they're confident in their already stacked forward group and want to add elsewhere instead.

    Here's Corey Pronman's latest report:

    6. Ryan Suzuki, C, Chicago-AHL

    May 28, 2001 | six-foot | 176 pounds

    Drafted: No. 28 in 2019

    Tier: Projected middle of the lineup player

    Skating: Average
    Puck Skills: Average
    Hockey Sense: Average
    Compete: Average

    Suzuki held his own versus men this season as a teenager and played a semi-important role for Canada at the world juniors. He’s a talented offensive player, showing great skill and playmaking frequently. He can run a power play and hit seams at a high rate. Suzuki isn’t as dynamic a playmaker as his brother Nick in Montreal, but he’s a better skater. He can generate clean entries with his speed and skill in the NHL. Some scouts think he’s soft, but I’ve never had issues with his compete, and whichever coach he plays for he often ends up on the penalty kill. I think he can be a middle-six forward, if he stays down the middle he would likely be a 3C.
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    Nov. 28, 2021 at 1:28 p.m.
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    Quoting: SevenLeg
    Nick always had first line upside, especially at the time of the draft. It became questionable during the WJCs, but it was always there. Ryan on the other hand never had that upside. His projections have him as a good 3rd line guy, like a Radek Faksa kind of guy. This is a good trade for the Hurricanes value-wise but I understand if they're confident in their already stacked forward group and want to add elsewhere instead.

    Here's Corey Pronman's latest report:

    6. Ryan Suzuki, C, Chicago-AHL

    May 28, 2001 | six-foot | 176 pounds

    Drafted: No. 28 in 2019

    Tier: Projected middle of the lineup player

    Skating: Average
    Puck Skills: Average
    Hockey Sense: Average
    Compete: Average

    Suzuki held his own versus men this season as a teenager and played a semi-important role for Canada at the world juniors. He’s a talented offensive player, showing great skill and playmaking frequently. He can run a power play and hit seams at a high rate. Suzuki isn’t as dynamic a playmaker as his brother Nick in Montreal, but he’s a better skater. He can generate clean entries with his speed and skill in the NHL. Some scouts think he’s soft, but I’ve never had issues with his compete, and whichever coach he plays for he often ends up on the penalty kill. I think he can be a middle-six forward, if he stays down the middle he would likely be a 3C.



    And many analysts said it looked like his ceiling was going to be a 2 after his rookie year. Mostly over reaction but that’s the norm these days, patience is no longer a thing.
    Nov. 28, 2021 at 1:59 p.m.
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    Quoting: SevenLeg
    Lmao people really think that's an overpayment for 2.5 years of Toffoli at just over $2m


    With how well Fast is playing and how not so good Toffoli is playing, yes it is an overpayment. Plus, if you really want to reunite the Suzuki brothers you are going to have to pay up. Plus, since Suzuki plays center, you will have that center fee towards the Habs as well. I like the basis of the trade, but this trade just won’t happen unless more comes from the Habs.
    Nov. 28, 2021 at 2:05 p.m.
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    I think the Pens trade is good value wise. I don't see them trading for drouin. TT is the player that the pens want.
    Nov. 28, 2021 at 2:16 p.m.
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    With how well Fast is playing and how not so good Toffoli is playing, yes it is an overpayment. Plus, if you really want to reunite the Suzuki brothers you are going to have to pay up. Plus, since Suzuki plays center, you will have that center fee towards the Habs as well. I like the basis of the trade, but this trade just won’t happen unless more comes from the Habs.


    Once again the Habs have no need for Fast so whether or not he is included doesn't change anything. It can be Stepan or whoever you want to balance the cap. The Fast/Toffoli comparison is also silly. Fast plays on a high-scoring team so obviously his number will be inflated in comparison to Toffoli on a very low-scoring team. In such cases where production contexts are completely different, relative-to-teammates numbers come into play, and they indicate that Toffoli is outperforming Fast in his respective team.

    And tell me when in history your "brother fees" have been a thing?
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