Is it worth the risk

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Created by: Marcsnack

Team: 2021-22 Pittsburgh Penguins

Initial Creation Date: Nov. 28, 2021

Published: Nov. 28, 2021

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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I would love to add Kane the player, but I do not really want Kane the person.. after all, there is a reason he is on waivers. The Penguins have been good this season, but the top 6 has been a little inconsistent in my eyes. Kane would allow us to upgrade that top 6 without moving any futures. I would love someone like J.T. Miller for example, but cannot see us giving up high picks and anyone in our prospect pool, which is very limited. Kane would obviously be a huge addition. His PIM also dropped significantly last season, which can only be a positive.
I think adding a 30+ goal scorer like Kane on Crosby or Malkin's wing would be amazing, but is it worth taking the risk of having off-ice issues, which can potentially ruin chemistry.
Obviously, if this was to happen, the Penguins need to get rid of cap. The obvious choice is Zucker, who is making $5.5M. I think the Pens ask SJS to retain half and send Zucker their way.
Is it worth the risk?

Trades

PIT

Kane, Evander ($3,500,000 retained)

SJS

Zucker, Jason
2022 4th round pick (PIT)

PIT

Lyubushkin, Ilya

ARI

Friedman, Mark
2023 5th round pick (PIT)

PIT

Holtby, Braden

DAL

2024 4th round pick (PIT)

PIT

2023 4th round pick (PIT)

Additional Details:

Carter plays 50 games.

LAK

2023 3rd round pick (PIT)

Buyouts

Jack Johnson: $1,166,667

Buried

Casey DeSmith: $125,000 ($1,250,000)
Juuso Riikola: $25,000 ($1,150,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$74,486,902	$0	$0	$7,013,098

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Guentzel, Jake $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 3	Crosby, Sidney $8,700,000$8,700,000 C NMC UFA - 4	Rust, Bryan $3,500,000$3,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Kane, Evander -$1,391,304-$1,391,304 LW, RW NMC UFA - 1	Malkin, Evgeni $9,500,000$9,500,000 C NMC UFA - 1	Kapanen, Kasperi $3,200,000$3,200,000 RW UFA - 1
Heinen, Danton $1,100,000$1,100,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Carter, Jeff $2,636,364$2,636,364 RW, C UFA - 1	Rodrigues, Evan $1,000,000$1,000,000 LW, C UFA - 1
	Blueger, Teddy $2,200,000$2,200,000 C, LW UFA - 2	McGinn, Brock $2,750,000$2,750,000 LW, RW UFA - 4
Aston-Reese, Zach $1,725,000$1,725,000 LW, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Dumoulin, Brian $4,100,000$4,100,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Letang, Kris $7,250,000$7,250,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1	Jarry, Tristan $3,500,000$3,500,000 G UFA - 2
Pettersson, Marcus $4,025,175$4,025,175 LD UFA - 4	Marino, John $4,400,000$4,400,000 RD UFA - 6
Matheson, Michael $4,875,000$4,875,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 5	Lyubushkin, Ilya $1,350,000$1,350,000 RD UFA - 1	Holtby, Braden $2,000,000$2,000,000 G UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Boyle, Brian $750,000$750,000 LW, C UFA - 1
Simon, Dominik $750,000$750,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Ruhwedel, Chad $750,000$750,000 RD UFA - 1

Nov. 28, 2021 at 10:48 p.m.

NylanderIsJustBetter

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yall should be fine as long as u have a good leadership group. As soon as pavelski left kane started to become contagious so if yall got a guy like pavelski to keep him in check ur good

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Nov. 28, 2021 at 10:49 p.m.

Marcsnack

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Quoting: GoatBarzal

yall should be fine as long as u have a good leadership group. As soon as pavelski left kane started to become contagious so if yall got a guy like pavelski to keep him in check ur good

I think our leadership group is strong. Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Carter.. you even got higher ups like Lemieux who are part of the org.

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Nov. 28, 2021 at 10:49 p.m.

Imagine875948

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I think the pens staff can keep Kane in check

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Nov. 28, 2021 at 10:53 p.m.

Aasen6

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Doubt San Jose wants to take back a horrible contract like zucker and eat half of Kane’s salary. Maybe Kane with like 1m retained for zucker so sj doesn’t really have to pay any extra money

Nov. 28, 2021 at 10:55 p.m.

Marcsnack

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Quoting: Aasen6

Doubt San Jose wants to take back a horrible contract like zucker and eat half of Kane’s salary. Maybe Kane with like 1m retained for zucker so sj doesn’t really have to pay any extra money

I think the money would have to cancel out at least.. Zucker is a top 6 replacement for San Jose as they are still pushing for playoffs. He only has one more year after this one and can easily be flipped during the offseason.

Nov. 28, 2021 at 11:08 p.m.

palhal

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Gotta think the Sharks would rather just buyout Kane next summer, then take on Zucker's 5.5m contract. and the 3.5m retention.

Nov. 28, 2021 at 11:08 p.m.

glarson17

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Quoting: Marcsnack

He’s not top 6 and we aren’t making the playoffs. Has to be less than half retention if the sharks are taking Zucker back or they will be over the cap.

Nov. 28, 2021 at 11:13 p.m.

Marcsnack

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Quoting: palhal

Gotta think the Sharks would rather just buyout Kane next summer, then take on Zucker's 5.5m contract. and the 3.5m retention.

Zucker can be moved in the offseason if anything. Buying out Kane honestly doesnt make sense.. it would be 3.66, 2.66, 4.66, and then 1.66 for 3 years, whereas a retention would be 3.5 for 3 years, so they are saving money on 5/6 years. Not trading him this season also means they have around 5.9M just sitting in the AHL. I honestly think there are teams who would take 1 year of Zucker at 5.5M and give SJ a return..

Nov. 28, 2021 at 11:14 p.m.

Marcsnack

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Quoting: glarson17

He’s not top 6 and we aren’t making the playoffs. Has to be less than half retention if the sharks are taking Zucker back or they will be over the cap.

I checked, and at 50%, you guys still have cap if some guys are placed on LTIR and extras are sent down.

Nov. 28, 2021 at 11:27 p.m.

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Pensfan89

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Absolutely not. We should not be paying for E. Kane. Not at that contract. Even at 50% retention that contract sucks for the type of dbag and locker room cancer he is. Not worth it. Unless the sharks add like 5 unprotected 1st round picks, the pens should stay far away.

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Nov. 28, 2021 at 11:31 p.m.

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Marcsnack

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Quoting: Pensfan89

Fair approach ahha.. I am super conflicted.

Nov. 28, 2021 at 11:35 p.m.

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glarson17

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Quoting: Marcsnack

I checked, and at 50%, you guys still have cap if some guys are placed on LTIR and extras are sent down.

Nobody will go on LTIR though, even with players sent down they are over by more than $500,000. Sharks could easily retain $2.75 mil and be under

Nov. 29, 2021 at 1:00 a.m.

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Marcsnack

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Quoting: glarson17

Nobody will go on LTIR though, even with players sent down they are over by more than $500,000. Sharks could easily retain $2.75 mil and be under

Knyzhov on LTIR, Reedy and Gregor down and the cap is fine.

Nov. 29, 2021 at 1:24 a.m.

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glarson17

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Quoting: Marcsnack

Knyzhov on LTIR, Reedy and Gregor down and the cap is fine.

Knyzhov is supposed to be back, that’s the point I’m trying to make

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Nov. 29, 2021 at 1:29 a.m.

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Marcsnack

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Quoting: glarson17

Knyzhov is supposed to be back, that’s the point I’m trying to make

Middleton can be sent down then.. they could defo afford it for this season, move Zucker in the offseason if they really dont like him and only have 3 years at 3.5M instead of 6 years of a buyout.

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