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An EP trade that I could see

Created by: mnwild17
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 30, 2021
Published: Nov. 30, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Minnesota Wild
Team Explanation
Fixed it, now knowing you cant add conditions for re-signing guys.
Trades
1.
MIN
  1. Pettersson, Elias
  2. 2022 4th round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. Fiala, Kevin ($2,000,000 retained)
  2. Dumba, Matt
  3. Hunt, Daemon
  4. 2022 2nd round pick (MIN)
Buyouts
  • Ryan Suter: $2,371,794
  • Zach Parise: $2,371,794
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Kevin Fiala: $2,000,000 (39.22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
MIN
MIN
MIN
VAN
MIN
SJS
MIN
2023
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
2024
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$78,378,919$0$732,500$3,121,081
Left WingCenterRight Wing
MIN
Kaprizov, Kirill
$9,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
MIN
Eriksson Ek, Joel
$5,250,000
C
UFA - 8
MIN
Zuccarello, Mats
$6,000,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 3
MIN
Foligno, Marcus
$3,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
MIN
Hartman, Ryan
$1,700,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
MIN
Greenway, Jordan
$2,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
MIN
Boldy, Matthew
$880,833
LW, RW
RFA - 2
MIN
Gaudreau, Frédérick
$1,200,000
C
UFA - 2
MIN
Pitlick, Rem
$917,831
C, RW
RFA - 1
MIN
Duhaime, Brandon
$750,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
MIN
Rask, Victor
$4,000,000
C
UFA - 1
MIN
Sturm, Nico
$725,000
C
UFA - 1
MIN
Bjugstad, Nick
$900,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
VAN
Pettersson, Elias
$7,350,000
C
RFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
MIN
Brodin, Jonas
$6,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
MIN
Spurgeon, Jared
$7,575,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
MIN
Talbot, Cam
$3,666,667
G
UFA - 2
MIN
Kulikov, Dmitry
$2,250,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
MIN
Goligoski, Alex
$5,000,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 1
MIN
Kähkönen, Kaapo
$725,000
G
RFA - 1
MIN
Merrill, Jon
$850,000
LD
UFA - 1
MIN
Addison, Calen
$795,000
RD
RFA - 2
MIN
Benn, Jordie
$900,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1

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Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:39 p.m.
#1
Connor
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lol
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:40 p.m.
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Take the picks out and Van might consider
Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:40 p.m.
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GREEN FIRED
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Wow this is bad
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:41 p.m.
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lmaooooooo this is even worse than the last one
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:41 p.m.
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Judd Bracket ripoff
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Okay sorry for laughing but you have to be trolling right? Vancouver gets a good 2nd liner and a decent 2nd pairing Defencemen for… their Franchise Centre? ?? And they have to ADD. A 1st??
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:41 p.m.
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Judd Bracket ripoff
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Quoting: Aasen6
Take the picks out and Van might consider

Not a chance
Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Aasen6
Take the picks out and Van might consider


Quoting: Fff
Wow this is bad


They are conditional picks, max going back to wild is a 2024 1st, and thats if both re-sign, if one of them re-signs its a 2nd, VAN could turn around and trade both of them for 1sts if they wanted to.
Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:43 p.m.
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Quoting: The_Rocket
Not a chance


Lol I said might consider, not that they’d make the trade
Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:43 p.m.
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Quoting: mnwild17
They are conditional picks, max going back to wild is a 2024 1st, and thats if both re-sign, if one of them re-signs its a 2nd, VAN could turn around and trade both of them for 1sts if they wanted to.


You can't do picks conditional upon guys signing extensions.
Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:43 p.m.
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Quoting: The_Rocket
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Okay sorry for laughing but you have to be trolling right? Vancouver gets a good 2nd liner and a decent 2nd pairing Defencemen for… their Franchise Centre? ?? And they have to ADD. A 1st??


its a conditional pick read the description.
Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:43 p.m.
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Quoting: The_Rocket
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Okay sorry for laughing but you have to be trolling right? Vancouver gets a good 2nd liner and a decent 2nd pairing Defencemen for… their Franchise Centre? ?? And they have to ADD. A 1st??



Would love to see the argument behind Fiala being a 2nd liner.
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:44 p.m.
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Quoting: mnwild17
They are conditional picks, max going back to wild is a 2024 1st, and thats if both re-sign, if one of them re-signs its a 2nd, VAN could turn around and trade both of them for 1sts if they wanted to.


You could take the picks out. The Canucks still laugh in your face
Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:46 p.m.
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Quoting: Caerii
Would love to see the argument behind Fiala being a 2nd liner.


0.595 PPG is 2nd line production. Bo Horvat has a better PPG you gonna tell me he's a 1st liner?
Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:46 p.m.
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Drop both picks going to MIN and its a lot closer. I still think VAN would decline though. Fiala and Dumba are good players but only really have 2 years of team control. When Pettersson is on his game he is significantly better than both of those guys and has 4 years of team control
Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:46 p.m.
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Quoting: TheAlien
0.595 PPG is 2nd line production


Surely you're not looking at entire career production as if that's a valid indication of the level of player he is now?
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:46 p.m.
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Ben Jimmings foe
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Quoting: TheAlien
lmaooooooo this is even worse than the last one


Wait, what was the deal?
Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:48 p.m.
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Quoting: WhereArtTLuongo
Wait, what was the deal?


Rossi and a couple 2nds
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:48 p.m.
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Judd Bracket ripoff
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Quoting: mnwild17
its a conditional pick read the description.


Yeah the condition being that the Canucks re-sign the players they trade their franchise centre for. Or should they just let them both walk and come out of the trade with nothing at all?
Quoting: Caerii
Would love to see the argument behind Fiala being a 2nd liner.


I’d say he is in the top 30% percent or so of forwards in the NHL. Scores at a good clip, generates offense well. Seems like a guy every team would love to have. But he’s not Pettersson. He’s a really good 2nd liner.
Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:50 p.m.
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Quoting: The_Rocket


I’d say he is in the top 30% percent or so of forwards in the NHL. Scores at a good clip, generates offense well. Seems like a guy every team would love to have. But he’s not Pettersson. He’s a really good 2nd liner.


Yeah I'm looking for the argument to be made. Your baseless opinion is pretty worthless here because I've done the research and seen the numbers and they don't say "2nd line forward"
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:52 p.m.
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Quoting: TheAlien
0.595 PPG is 2nd line production. Bo Horvat has a better PPG you gonna tell me he's a 1st liner?


I can play this game too.

Elias Pettersson is at .478 PPG this season. Therefore Fiala for Pettersson is actually an overpayment.
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:57 p.m.
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Judd Bracket ripoff
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Quoting: Caerii
Yeah I'm looking for the argument to be made. Your baseless opinion is pretty worthless here because I've done the research and seen the numbers and they don't say "2nd line forward"


Okay I looked it up. Evolving-Hockey had him in the 74th percentile last year for forwards. Meaning 1/4 of the forwards in the league were better than him based on their GAr/xGAR rankings.

Fiala’s 0.8 ppg last year ranked him 69th (nice) in the league amongst forwards. He would have been 4th amongst Canucks forwards in points per game. This is really good 2nd line level production by a really good 2nd line level player.

At BEST he is a border line 1st line forward but at this point it’s just semantics
Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:59 p.m.
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Quoting: TanSor
I can play this game too.

Elias Pettersson is at .478 PPG this season. Therefore Fiala for Pettersson is actually an overpayment.


Another one, Fiala last 2 years is at .77PPG and has played in 92% of his teams games, whereas EP the last 2 years is at .65PPG and has only played in 62% of his teams games. More PPG and he plays in more games, seems like BG is giving VAN a gift.
Nov. 30, 2021 at 4:00 p.m.
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Quoting: The_Rocket
Okay I looked it up. Evolving-Hockey had him in the 74th percentile last year for forwards. Meaning 1/4 of the forwards in the league were better than him based on their GAr/xGAR rankings.

Fiala’s 0.8 ppg last year ranked him 69th (nice) in the league amongst forwards. He would have been 4th amongst Canucks forwards in points per game. This is really good 2nd line level production by a really good 2nd line level player.

At BEST he is a border line 1st line forward but at this point it’s just semantics


2019-2021

TOI/GP (5v5)
Fiala: 12:26
Boeser: 14:00

G/60
Fiala: 0.94
Boeser: 0.72

P/60
Fiala: 2.23
Boeser: 1.93

xGAR
Fiala: 17.8
Boeser: 6.3

xWAR
Fiala: 3.2
Boeser: 1.1

xSPAR
Fiala: 6
Boeser: 2.1

g/GP
Fiala: 0.34
Boeser: 0.33

p/GP
Fiala: 0.81
Boeser: 0.78

Most Common Linemates
Fiala: Parise, Koivu, Johansson, Hartman, Bonino, Gaudreau, Hartman
Boeser: Pettersson, Miller, Hoglander

Since 2019-20, Fiala has the same output as Boeser despite less time, which means he scores at a higher rate. He drives play better and creates better offensive opportunities for himself and his linemates. He has a more positive impact on the game and contributes more to team success. He does all of this despite having significantly worse linemates.

The two teams have had similar PP% during that time, and Fiala and Boeser produce similar output (total points) on the PP as well, despite the fact that Boeser has averaged 1:03 more on the PP per game during that time. That means he gets 38% more PP time than Fiala does, and produces the same number of points on an equally competent power play.

This has been really fun, let's do it again some time.
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 4:01 p.m.
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Quoting: TanSor
I can play this game too.

Elias Pettersson is at .478 PPG this season. Therefore Fiala for Pettersson is actually an overpayment.


I guess the American education system don't teach you about sample sizes
Nov. 30, 2021 at 4:02 p.m.
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Quoting: TheAlien
I guess the American education system don't teach you about sample sizes


How about a sample size of the most recent 2.25 seasons?
Quoting: Caerii
2019-2021

TOI/GP (5v5)
Fiala: 12:26
Boeser: 14:00

G/60
Fiala: 0.94
Boeser: 0.72

P/60
Fiala: 2.23
Boeser: 1.93

xGAR
Fiala: 17.8
Boeser: 6.3

xWAR
Fiala: 3.2
Boeser: 1.1

xSPAR
Fiala: 6
Boeser: 2.1

g/GP
Fiala: 0.34
Boeser: 0.33

p/GP
Fiala: 0.81
Boeser: 0.78

Most Common Linemates
Fiala: Parise, Koivu, Johansson, Hartman, Bonino, Gaudreau, Hartman
Boeser: Pettersson, Miller, Hoglander

Since 2019-20, Fiala has the same output as Boeser despite less time, which means he scores at a higher rate. He drives play better and creates better offensive opportunities for himself and his linemates. He has a more positive impact on the game and contributes more to team success. He does all of this despite having significantly worse linemates.

The two teams have had similar PP% during that time, and Fiala and Boeser produce similar output (total points) on the PP as well, despite the fact that Boeser has averaged 1:03 more on the PP per game during that time. That means he gets 38% more PP time than Fiala does, and produces the same number of points on an equally competent power play.

This has been really fun, let's do it again some time.
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