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An EP trade that I could see

Created by: mnwild17
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 30, 2021
Published: Nov. 30, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Minnesota Wild
Team Explanation
Fixed it, now knowing you cant add conditions for re-signing guys.
Trades
1.
MIN
  1. Pettersson, Elias
  2. 2022 4th round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. Fiala, Kevin ($2,000,000 retained)
  2. Dumba, Matt
  3. Hunt, Daemon
  4. 2022 2nd round pick (MIN)
Buyouts
  • Ryan Suter: $2,371,794
  • Zach Parise: $2,371,794
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Kevin Fiala: $2,000,000 (39.22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
MIN
MIN
MIN
VAN
MIN
SJS
MIN
2023
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
2024
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$78,378,919$0$732,500$3,121,081
Left WingCenterRight Wing
MIN
Kaprizov, Kirill
$9,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
MIN
Eriksson Ek, Joel
$5,250,000
C
UFA - 8
MIN
Zuccarello, Mats
$6,000,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 3
MIN
Foligno, Marcus
$3,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
MIN
Hartman, Ryan
$1,700,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
MIN
Greenway, Jordan
$2,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
MIN
Boldy, Matthew
$880,833
LW, RW
RFA - 2
MIN
Gaudreau, Frédérick
$1,200,000
C
UFA - 2
MIN
Pitlick, Rem
$917,831
C, RW
RFA - 1
MIN
Duhaime, Brandon
$750,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
MIN
Rask, Victor
$4,000,000
C
UFA - 1
MIN
Sturm, Nico
$725,000
C
UFA - 1
MIN
Bjugstad, Nick
$900,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
VAN
Pettersson, Elias
$7,350,000
C
RFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
MIN
Brodin, Jonas
$6,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
MIN
Spurgeon, Jared
$7,575,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
MIN
Talbot, Cam
$3,666,667
G
UFA - 2
MIN
Kulikov, Dmitry
$2,250,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
MIN
Goligoski, Alex
$5,000,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 1
MIN
Kähkönen, Kaapo
$725,000
G
RFA - 1
MIN
Merrill, Jon
$850,000
LD
UFA - 1
MIN
Addison, Calen
$795,000
RD
RFA - 2
MIN
Benn, Jordie
$900,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1

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Nov. 30, 2021 at 4:05 p.m.
#26
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Quoting: TheAlien
I guess the American education system don't teach you about sample sizes


Guess the Canadian education system didn't teach you about being facetious

We can sit here and cherry pick stats all day long to try to prove our points. Fiala is a first line player, but we'd obviously adding for him in a hypothetical Pettersson trade.
Nov. 30, 2021 at 4:09 p.m.
#27
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Quoting: TheAlien
I guess the American education system don't teach you about sample sizes


Petterson last 3 years 5 on 5 P/60
68 GP 2.6 P/60
26 GP 2.5 P/60
23 GP .5 P/60
Weighted Average P/60 2.16

Fiala last 3 years 5 on 5 P/60
64 GP 2.6 P/60
50 Gp 2.3 P/660

weighted average P/60 2.47
so fiala over the last 3 years has been better than EP at 5 on 5 by about .3 points per 60
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 4:09 p.m.
#28
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Add Rossi, Eriksson Ek, and a 1st instead of the 2nd and the Canucks consider it
Nov. 30, 2021 at 4:15 p.m.
#29
Judd Bracket ripoff
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Quoting: Caerii
2019-2021

TOI/GP (5v5)
Fiala: 12:26
Boeser: 14:00

G/60
Fiala: 0.94
Boeser: 0.72

P/60
Fiala: 2.23
Boeser: 1.93

xGAR
Fiala: 17.8
Boeser: 6.3

xWAR
Fiala: 3.2
Boeser: 1.1

xSPAR
Fiala: 6
Boeser: 2.1

g/GP
Fiala: 0.34
Boeser: 0.33

p/GP
Fiala: 0.81
Boeser: 0.78

Most Common Linemates
Fiala: Parise, Koivu, Johansson, Hartman, Bonino, Gaudreau, Hartman
Boeser: Pettersson, Miller, Hoglander

Since 2019-20, Fiala has the same output as Boeser despite less time, which means he scores at a higher rate. He drives play better and creates better offensive opportunities for himself and his linemates. He has a more positive impact on the game and contributes more to team success. He does all of this despite having significantly worse linemates.

The two teams have had similar PP% during that time, and Fiala and Boeser produce similar output (total points) on the PP as well, despite the fact that Boeser has averaged 1:03 more on the PP per game during that time. That means he gets 38% more PP time than Fiala does, and produces the same number of points on an equally competent power play.

This has been really fun, let's do it again some time.


Sooooo Fiala plays 2nd line minutes, scores at a 2nd line rate, and has 2nd line level line mates.

Cool
Nov. 30, 2021 at 4:19 p.m.
#30
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Quoting: The_Rocket
Sooooo Fiala plays 2nd line minutes, scores at a 2nd line rate, and has 2nd line level line mates.

Cool


And he's better than Boeser, who plays first line minutes, has first line linemates, and scores at a third line rate, yes.
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 4:37 p.m.
#31
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Quoting: Caerii
And he's better than Boeser, who plays first line minutes, has first line linemates, and scores at a third line rate, yes.


Sweet okay he is better than Boeser. I mean honestly we’re not even arguing here. We both agree he is a good player. Calling him a 1st line forward or 2nd line forward is meaningless at this point. He plays 2nd line minutes and scores at a 2nd line rate. Could he play on a first line? Yeah obviously. Should he be the best player on your first line? No of course not.
Nov. 30, 2021 at 4:40 p.m.
#32
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Quoting: The_Rocket
Sweet okay he is better than Boeser. I mean honestly we’re not even arguing here. We both agree he is a good player. Calling him a 1st line forward or 2nd line forward is meaningless at this point. He plays 2nd line minutes and scores at a 2nd line rate. Could he play on a first line? Yeah obviously. Should he be the best player on your first line? No of course not.


He doesn't score at a second line rate though. He scores at a first line rate while playing with third liners. If you don't agree then you're just incorrect. That's all there is to it. he's in the top 50 for those scoring metrics over that period. There are 96 guys playing on the first line league wide. Just about every single one of them has a much easier time on the ice than Fiala does, given the linemates they all play with.
Nov. 30, 2021 at 4:46 p.m.
#33
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Quoting: Caerii
He doesn't score at a second line rate though. He scores at a first line rate while playing with third liners. If you don't agree then you're just incorrect. That's all there is to it. he's in the top 50 for those scoring metrics over that period. There are 96 guys playing on the first line league wide. Just about every single one of them has a much easier time on the ice than Fiala does, given the linemates they all play with.


Okay honestly man I’m not trying to argue here. We can call him a first liner then. That’s fine. He’s really good, obviously.

My main point is Pettersson’s age and potential as being a franchise centre outweighs the value of Dumba+Fiala, particularly given their age and contract statuses and their respective roles on their team. Whether Fiala is a 2nd line player or 1st line player it doesn’t really matter
Nov. 30, 2021 at 4:50 p.m.
#34
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Quoting: The_Rocket
Okay honestly man I’m not trying to argue here. We can call him a first liner then. That’s fine. He’s really good, obviously.

My main point is Pettersson’s age and potential as being a franchise centre outweighs the value of Dumba+Fiala, particularly given their age and contract statuses and their respective roles on their team. Whether Fiala is a 2nd line player or 1st line player it doesn’t really matter


I don't care about the value, I never did. I don't expect Vancouver to trade Pettersson until they have to. You called Fiala a second liner, I wanted to see the argument for it. But now I'm glad we can agree he's clearly a first line player. Moving forward, knowing the facts about Fiala and giving him his proper due will help conversations go more smoothly, rather than having Canucks fans baselessly bashing Fiala over and over again.
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 4:56 p.m.
#35
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Quoting: Caerii
I don't care about the value, I never did. I don't expect Vancouver to trade Pettersson until they have to. You called Fiala a second liner, I wanted to see the argument for it. But now I'm glad we can agree he's clearly a first line player. Moving forward, knowing the facts about Fiala and giving him his proper due will help conversations go more smoothly, rather than having Canucks fans baselessly bashing Fiala over and over again.


Be honest with yourself. You know it'll still happen.

That said, I applaud your effort though. cheers
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Dec. 1, 2021 at 7:23 p.m.
#36
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Quoting: mnwild17
They are conditional picks, max going back to wild is a 2024 1st, and thats if both re-sign, if one of them re-signs its a 2nd, VAN could turn around and trade both of them for 1sts if they wanted to.



Wow that’s still bad
 
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