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Oilers Deadline

Created by: tdawg1928
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 1, 2021
Published: Dec. 1, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Edmonton Oilers
Team Explanation
Semi realistic but highly unlikely trades that give Edmonton a better chance at winning this year and in the future, while being able to extend Lindholm and their RFAs.
Trades
1.
EDM
    Future Considerations
    SEA
    1. Turris, Kyle
    2.
    EDM
    1. Namestnikov, Vladislav
    DET
    1. Koskinen, Mikko
    2. Berezkin, Maksim [Reserve List]
    3. 2023 2nd round pick (EDM)
    3.
    EDM
    1. Lindholm, Hampus
    ANA
    1. Keith, Duncan
    2. Lavoie, Raphael
    3. 2022 1st round pick (EDM)
    4. 2024 2nd round pick (EDM)
    Additional Details:
    Going to have to really make it worth it for Anaheim to take Keith. Lindholm will also be the best LHD available more than likely and will fetch a huge return.
    4.
    EDM
    1. Kubalik, Dominik
    CHI
    1. Kassian, Zack
    2. Benson, Tyler
    3. 2022 2nd round pick (EDM)
    5.
    EDM
    1. 2022 2nd round pick (BOS)
    BOS
    1. Barrie, Tyson
    Additional Details:
    Boston been looking for a "Top 4 OFD". Hopefully they see Barrie as a positive asset.
    6.
    EDM
    1. Zub, Artem
    OTT
    1. Tullio, Tyler
    2. 2023 3rd round pick (EDM)
    Buyouts
    • James Neal: $1,916,667
    • Andrej Sekera: $1,500,000
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Milan Lucic: $750,000 (13%)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2022
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    2023
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    2024
    Logo of the EDM
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$81,500,000$70,749,617$669,339$1,757,500$10,750,383
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
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    Hyman, Zach
    $5,500,000
    LW, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 7
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    McDavid, Connor
    $12,500,000
    C
    UFA - 5
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    Puljujärvi, Jesse
    $1,175,000
    RW
    RFA - 1
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    Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
    $5,125,000
    LW, C
    NMC
    UFA - 8
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    Draisaitl, Leon
    $8,500,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 4
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    Kubalik, Dominik
    $3,700,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
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    Foegele, Warren
    $2,750,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 3
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    McLeod, Ryan
    $834,167
    C
    RFA - 1
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    Yamamoto, Kailer
    $1,175,000
    RW, C
    RFA - 1
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    Namestnikov, Vladislav
    $1,000,000
    RW, LW, C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the EDM
    Ryan, Derek
    $1,250,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 2
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    Sceviour, Colton
    $750,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    Nurse, Darnell
    $5,600,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the OTT
    Zub, Artem
    $2,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
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    Smith, Mike
    $2,200,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the ANA
    Lindholm, Hampus
    $2,602,778
    LD
    UFA - 1
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    Bouchard, Evan
    $863,333
    RD
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the EDM
    Skinner, Stuart
    $750,000
    G
    RFA - 2
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    Broberg, Philip
    $863,333
    LD
    RFA - 3
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    Ceci, Cody
    $3,250,000
    RD
    UFA - 4
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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    Shore, Devin
    $850,000
    LW, C, RW
    UFA - 2
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    Klefbom, Oscar
    $4,167,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the EDM
    Russell, Kris
    $1,250,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the EDM
    Archibald, Josh
    $1,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the EDM
    Koekkoek, Slater
    $925,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the EDM
    Stalock, Alex
    $785,000
    G
    UFA - 1

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    Dec. 1, 2021 at 6:43 p.m.
    #1
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    Keith was traded to Edmonton so he can be closer to his Family. No way he waives farther than where he was before
    Dec. 1, 2021 at 6:44 p.m.
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    Quoting: Gmonwy
    Keith was traded to Edmonton so he can be closer to his Family. No way he waives farther than where he was before


    Yup. Precisely why I said "highly unlikely." Value wise probably fair but I doubt Keith wants to move to Cali.
    Dec. 1, 2021 at 6:50 p.m.
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    I find it interesting that it’s “hopefully they see Barrie as a positive asset” and then get a 2nd in return.
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    Dec. 1, 2021 at 6:50 p.m.
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    Are you after Kubs skates here? This offer doesn't begin discussions on a trade.
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    Dec. 1, 2021 at 6:55 p.m.
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    Quoting: Aussie_Blackhawk
    Are you after Kubs skates here? This offer doesn't begin discussions on a trade.


    Yeah I don’t think benson and a 2nd alone would get Kubalik without adding Kassian as a cap dump.
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    Dec. 1, 2021 at 7:21 p.m.
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    Ducks easily decline that
    Dec. 1, 2021 at 7:44 p.m.
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    Quoting: tdawg1928
    Yup. Precisely why I said "highly unlikely." Value wise probably fair but I doubt Keith wants to move to Cali.


    Value wise that’s not close. Lavoie, 1st and future 2nd might be enough for Lindholm. Now gotta pay to take Keith.
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    Dec. 1, 2021 at 8:28 p.m.
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    Boston is not looking for a top four offensive D.
    Furthermore, he wouldn’t be in their top four.
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    Dec. 1, 2021 at 9:17 p.m.
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    Detroit would accept that
    Dec. 2, 2021 at 8:45 a.m.
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    That's not getting you Artem Zub.

    Sorry.
    Dec. 2, 2021 at 9:03 a.m.
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    Quoting: Aussie_Blackhawk
    Are you after Kubs skates here? This offer doesn't begin discussions on a trade.


    Quoting: glarson17
    Yeah I don’t think benson and a 2nd alone would get Kubalik without adding Kassian as a cap dump.

    He's having a really tough year so far.

    Kubalik: 21, 3-4-7 (-12) 4 ES points
    Kassian: 17, 4-5-9 (-1) 8 ES points

    Meh.
    Dec. 2, 2021 at 9:16 a.m.
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    Where have you seen boston is looking for a top 4 offensive dman lmao. grz/mcavoy/reilly all very capable offensively. They either need a stay at home guy to play with mcavoy or they need a 2 way right hander thats more of a 4th dman that can play bottom pairing. they do not need offensive dmen at all lol.
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    Dec. 2, 2021 at 9:49 a.m.
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    Still not enough to take Kieth
    Dec. 2, 2021 at 10:48 a.m.
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    He's having a really tough year so far.

    Kubalik: 21, 3-4-7 (-12) 4 ES points
    Kassian: 17, 4-5-9 (-1) 8 ES points

    Meh.


    I’d have that many points too if I played on a line with Connor McDavid
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    Dec. 2, 2021 at 11:09 a.m.
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    Quoting: glarson17
    I’d have that many points too if I played on a line with Connor McDavid


    Kassian has only played 3 games with McD so far

    These things can be looked up on hockeyviz.com

    Still significantly negative value tho
    Dec. 2, 2021 at 11:10 a.m.
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    It's very easy to argue

    1. Benson + 2nd is the cost to take Kassian

    2. Kubalik is a 1st line level goalscorer
    Dec. 2, 2021 at 5:40 p.m.
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    He's having a really tough year so far.

    Kubalik: 21, 3-4-7 (-12) 4 ES points
    Kassian: 17, 4-5-9 (-1) 8 ES points

    Meh.


    He's had a rough patch like the rest of the team. Don't just throw him away for nothing when that happens. Put him on a line with McDavid like your comparison and I'm sure anyone would see a rise in production.

    There is zero chance we consider this deal. Imagine if we tossed DeBrincat when he had his down year and couldn't bury the puck, we would look like idiots.
    Dec. 3, 2021 at 8:27 a.m.
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    Quoting: Aussie_Blackhawk
    He's had a rough patch like the rest of the team. Don't just throw him away for nothing when that happens. Put him on a line with McDavid like your comparison and I'm sure anyone would see a rise in production.

    There is zero chance we consider this deal. Imagine if we tossed DeBrincat when he had his down year and couldn't bury the puck, we would look like idiots.

    Kassian has spent less than 25% of his TOI with McDavid this year. Of course he performed better in those minutes, but his 2.14 P/60 5v5 with superstar Derek Ryan is better than Kubalik's production this year (0.41) and last (1.82).

    Actually, superstar bump is what you're seeing in Kubalik's history: his first year his most common linemate was Toews (he scored an amazing 2.08 GOALS/60 in those minutes) and significant time with Kane (a mind-blowing 4.95 G/60 with Kane!), since then he has seen very little of these two. To break his first season down farther, he scored 3.38 P/60 with Toews and 1.54 without. He scored 6.77 P/60 with Kane and 1.77 P/60 without.

    I'm not even arguing that the trade is fair, I'm simply saying that your argument is disingenuous: you're giving Kubalik credit for production that is CLEARLY influenced by his superstar linemates but denigrating Kassian for the same.
    Dec. 3, 2021 at 5:37 p.m.
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    Kassian has spent less than 25% of his TOI with McDavid this year. Of course he performed better in those minutes, but his 2.14 P/60 5v5 with superstar Derek Ryan is better than Kubalik's production this year (0.41) and last (1.82).

    Actually, superstar bump is what you're seeing in Kubalik's history: his first year his most common linemate was Toews (he scored an amazing 2.08 GOALS/60 in those minutes) and significant time with Kane (a mind-blowing 4.95 G/60 with Kane!), since then he has seen very little of these two. To break his first season down farther, he scored 3.38 P/60 with Toews and 1.54 without. He scored 6.77 P/60 with Kane and 1.77 P/60 without.

    I'm not even arguing that the trade is fair, I'm simply saying that your argument is disingenuous: you're giving Kubalik credit for production that is CLEARLY influenced by his superstar linemates but denigrating Kassian for the same.


    If what you were saying were true, then why wouldn't everyone who plays with them have those production levels? Because Kubs actually has ability and is known around the league as having a sneaky good quick release and a goal threat. Its also good to recognise he has performed on the international stage with "superstars" too.

    Implying that Kassian a 30 year old who carries a hit of 3.2M for the next 2.5 seasons with his career production is in anyway a comparable asset to Kubalik a 26 year old RFA who in his first 2 years in the league alone, scored 47 goals. Almost as many as Kassian has had in his 6 years with the Oilers, also the same amount of time McDavid has been there.

    Also good to note the type of teams we are discussing, Oilers have easily made playoffs in those years whilst Kubalik played under an AHL coach who couldn't put a system together and still put some reasonable numbers on the board.

    If you were to do a poll amongst the whole community on ACGM I would feel confident that majority would agree that Kubalik holds far more value. There would also be large numbers that would suggest Kassian holds negative value.
     
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