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Gallagher

Created by: Janzy18
Published: Dec. 5, 2021 at 2:46 p.m.
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Season Days: 145/200 (73%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has met the central registry's trade checklist

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Trade occurred while using LTIR
LTIR Relief: $21,757,143
LTIR Used Prior to Trade: $10,634,167
OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Gallagher, BrendanMontreal CanadiensNHL Non-Roster-$6,500,000011---0000--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Fleury, CaleSeattle KrakenMinor-$0011---0000--
Geekie, MorganSeattle KrakenMinor-$750,000011---0000--
2023 2nd round pick (Logo of the Winnipeg JetsWPG)---010------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$11,122,9762348724714
Change$5,750,000011010
Final$16,872,976 (↑)2349 (↑)73 (↑)48 (↑)14000

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Coincident TransactionInitial StatusNew StatusCap Hit ChangeRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Geekie, MorganNHLMinor-$543,7500-----------
OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Fleury, CaleSeattle KrakenMinor-$0011---0000--
Geekie, MorganSeattle KrakenMinor-$0011---0000--
2023 2nd round pick (Logo of the Winnipeg JetsWPG)---010------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Gallagher, BrendanMontreal CanadiensNHL Non-Roster-$4,712,500011---0000--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$6,948,9792334413714
Change-$4,168,750-1-1-10-10
Final$2,780,229 (↓)22 (↓)33 (↓)40 (↓)36 (↓)14000
Dec. 5, 2021 at 2:57 p.m.
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Why exactly would Seattle want Gallagher?
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Dec. 5, 2021 at 3:07 p.m.
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Why exactly would Seattle want Gallagher?


Who knows, the important thing is they can afford him
Dec. 5, 2021 at 4:54 p.m.
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Who knows, the important thing is they can afford him


But why would a building team want an older breaking down guy with a bad contract?
Dec. 5, 2021 at 5:25 p.m.
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But why would a building team want an older breaking down guy with a bad contract?


Is he actually breaking down though?
Dec. 5, 2021 at 5:56 p.m.
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Is he actually breaking down though?


Yep and another 6 years at 6 and a half million squish ain't good either.
Dec. 7, 2021 at 9:35 a.m.
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Yep and another 6 years at 6 and a half million squish ain't good either.


It’s another 5 years and no Gallagher is not breaking down. I do agree that Seattle isn’t in the position to make a trade for him though. You want a team in win now mode with a short-ish window.
Dec. 7, 2021 at 10:30 a.m.
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It’s another 5 years and no Gallagher is not breaking down. I do agree that Seattle isn’t in the position to make a trade for him though. You want a team in win now mode with a short-ish window.


Actually yes he has been banged up a lot more the past 2 seasons or so and when he's "100%" it is taking him longer to get back up to speed. It is the reality for a guy that size who plays like that.

Do you see him being as effective in 2 or 3 years? Doubt it
Dec. 7, 2021 at 10:42 p.m.
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Actually yes he has been banged up a lot more the past 2 seasons or so and when he's "100%" it is taking him longer to get back up to speed. It is the reality for a guy that size who plays like that.


Do you see him being as effective in 2 or 3 years? Doubt it


The only injuries Gally really sustains are to his hands from being in front of the net so much. He’s only missed 35 games in the last 5 seasons, that pretty close to the average amount of games a player misses. It’s also usually the fast players who fall off the fastest in the nhl due to their speed decreasing as they age, I’m sure you know thay Gally is not a fast player. Speed has little to do with his game. He’s 29, yeah I think he’ll be around the same level for 2-3 more seasons. His game is all about will. Put him on a contender and he will continue to thrive. That’s why I think Dallas would be the best fit, their window is closing within those 2-3 years. Also they have a history with getting players on the tail end of their prime like signing Radulov at 31, Pavelski at 34, Bishop at 31 etc.
Dec. 7, 2021 at 10:52 p.m.
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The only injuries Gally really sustains are to his hands from being in front of the net so much. He’s only missed 35 games in the last 5 seasons, that pretty close to the average amount of games a player misses. It’s also usually the fast players who fall off the fastest in the nhl due to their speed decreasing as they age, I’m sure you know thay Gally is not a fast player. Speed has little to do with his game. He’s 29, yeah I think he’ll be around the same level for 2-3 more seasons. His game is all about will. Put him on a contender and he will continue to thrive. That’s why I think Dallas would be the best fit, their window is closing within those 2-3 years. Also they have a history with getting players on the tail end of their prime like signing Radulov at 31, Pavelski at 34, Bishop at 31 etc. Also worth noting that right now Dallas is in the fight for a playoff spot, they’re one of the worst offensive teams in the league, but the best defensive in the league. If they could move Radulov (who is completely washed at 35 years old and on the last year of his deal) for Gally which would make the money work, they would get a large boost in the goal department especially at even strength where Gally is one of the best goal scorers in the league.
Dec. 8, 2021 at 9:10 a.m.
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The only injuries Gally really sustains are to his hands from being in front of the net so much. He’s only missed 35 games in the last 5 seasons, that pretty close to the average amount of games a player misses. It’s also usually the fast players who fall off the fastest in the nhl due to their speed decreasing as they age, I’m sure you know thay Gally is not a fast player. Speed has little to do with his game. He’s 29, yeah I think he’ll be around the same level for 2-3 more seasons. His game is all about will. Put him on a contender and he will continue to thrive. That’s why I think Dallas would be the best fit, their window is closing within those 2-3 years. Also they have a history with getting players on the tail end of their prime like signing Radulov at 31, Pavelski at 34, Bishop at 31 etc.


Well point taken but i disagree, you can see a real change in his game as well. I never referred to speed but a little guy like that, who is tough as nails, I'll give him that will break down much faster. If he loses that part of his game, he is not effective and that contract is bad.
Dec. 8, 2021 at 9:46 a.m.
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Edited Dec. 8, 2021 at 10:00 a.m.
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Well point taken but i disagree, you can see a real change in his game as well. I never referred to speed but a little guy like that, who is tough as nails, I'll give him that will break down much faster. If he loses that part of his game, he is not effective and that contract is bad.


His body isn’t breaking down because he doesn’t get injured anywhere other than his hands.. I get why you would say that, it’s a narrative that was created a few years ago, but nothing points to it being true. Btw you say the contract is bad but would you mind telling me some guys who are on comparable contracts around the 6 million dollar range signed within the last few years who are far and away better than him proving that he is on a bad contract? Sure there are a couple guys like Nuge and Hall who signed way under market value, but the majority of guys signed in the 6 mill range are at or near his level. I can name a few. Chris Kreider, Mats Zuccarello, jaden Schwartz, Anders Lee, Cam Atkinson, TJ Oshie, James Van Riemsdyk. He’s close to, as good, or better than all of these guys. His contract falls right in line with his production and incredible underlying numbers,
Dec. 8, 2021 at 9:58 a.m.
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Edited Dec. 8, 2021 at 10:35 a.m.
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Well point taken but i disagree, you can see a real change in his game as well. I never referred to speed but a little guy like that, who is tough as nails, I'll give him that will break down much faster. If he loses that part of his game, he is not effective and that contract is bad.


Gallagher’s closest comparables contract wise are Chris Kreider, Mats Zuccarello, jaden Schwartz, Anders Lee, Cam Atkinson, TJ Oshie, James Van Riemsdyk. He’s close to, as good, or better than all of these guys. His contract falls right in line with his production and incredible underlying numbers and ability to drive play.
Dec. 8, 2021 at 10:01 a.m.
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His body isn’t breaking down because he doesn’t get injured anywhere other than his hands.. I get why you would say that, it’s a narrative that was created a few years ago, but nothing points to it being true. Btw you say the contract is bad but would you mind telling me some guys who are on comparable contracts around the 6 million dollar range signed within the last few years who are far and away better than him proving that he is on a bad contract?


I'm not quoting any narratives, I use my own judgment and watch lots of games. I think you might be a little biased from being a fan though. He has had hand injuries yeah, but he has had other injuries and multiple concussions too. That style of play doesn't really support that or his size.

I'm not comparing contracts at all and you are putting words in my mouth. Do you think his contract will be as good of a value in a few years as it now? No way he keeps this up until he anywhere close to 35 or 36 or whatever it is.The team had to give it to him just like Price's contract too and that is going to suck too.

This issue is that if a team trades for him, they are on the hook for the entire thing and not just the good years he has left. Every team has these contracts and it is a reality.
Dec. 8, 2021 at 10:03 a.m.
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Gallagher’s closest comparables contract wise are Chris Kreider, Mats Zuccarello, jaden Schwartz, Anders Lee, Cam Atkinson, TJ Oshie, James Van Riemsdyk. He’s close to, as good, or better than all of these guys. His contract falls right in line with his production and incredible underlying numbers,


You're completely missing my point as these guys don't play the same style and are not at as much risk as him. The guys that you mentioned that do play similar game are much bigger and can take the net punishment.

I think we should just agree to disagree
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Dec. 8, 2021 at 10:14 a.m.
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I'm not quoting any narratives, I use my own judgment and watch lots of games. I think you might be a little biased from being a fan though. He has had hand injuries yeah, but he has had other injuries and multiple concussions too. That style of play doesn't really support that or his size.

I'm not comparing contracts at all and you are putting words in my mouth. Do you think his contract will be as good of a value in a few years as it now? No way he keeps this up until he anywhere close to 35 or 36 or whatever it is.The team had to give it to him just like Price's contract too and that is going to suck too.

This issue is that if a team trades for him, they are on the hook for the entire thing and not just the good years he has left. Every team has these contracts and it is a reality.


Gally has not had multiple concussions not sure where you’re getting that. I believe he’s had one.

Also I know exactly what you’re saying. Will Gally be at this level for the last 5 years of that contract? No. Is any player ever at the same level until their mid 30’s? Rarely. Do those players still get signed to large deals? Yes. Do those players still have value and get traded all the time for valuable assets? Yes.

So I understand that if you were in a position to trade for Gally you wouldn’t, but plenty of GM’s will and have done similar trades many times in the past. GM’s jobs don’t last forever, teams who are in win now mode and who’s windows are closing make these trades. They know they might not have a job in 3 years. A lot of times they dont care about what they leave the next GM. They are in a position to possibly win a cup and that’s their number one goal. The average tenure for a GM is like 4-5 years.

I bring up Dallas because they do this all the time. Signing Radu to a huge contract at 31. Signing Pavelski to a risky 3 year contract at 34. Bishop at 31, Suter to a 4 year deal at 34 years old just this last offseason. They do not care about 4 years from now, the GM will be gone if they don’t win the cup in the next 2. Like I said trades for 29 year olds happen all the time. 29 is still in your prime. Gally’s contract is up when he’s 34 not 37. Is it possible Gally falls off a cliff in a couple years? Sure, it’s possible for any player but at that point if they don’t win the cup the GM will be gone other core players will be old and they will rebuild so who cares, if they do win the cup then also who cares. There is always risk, but this isn’t as risky as signing Radu to a 6 year deal when he’s 31 or Suter to a 4 year deal when he’s 34, yet they did that anyway. They need to win.
Dec. 8, 2021 at 10:27 a.m.
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You're completely missing my point as these guys don't play the same style and are not at as much risk as him. The guys that you mentioned that do play similar game are much bigger and can take the net punishment.

I think we should just agree to disagree


Gally may be short, but he’s a tank. Check out some of his offseason workouts. Brad Marchand will be 34 in a few months, he’s the same size and he’s not slowing down, he plays a tough style of hockey. I’m not comparing their skill level, I am comparing their brand of hockey.

I agree with you that he could fall off, but what I am trying to point out is that it’s not a sure thing either. Any player can fall off at any time, from what I’ve seen though it is the players who rely on speed who fall off the quickest. There are a lot of GM’s who are willing to take that risk and have proven that many times in the past. We can agree to disagree.
 
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