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Created by: Hockey247
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 8, 2021
Published: Dec. 8, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
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I hate to let go of Toffoli, but considering his production, cap hit, and age, I think this is a very good deal for the rangers.
I would have liked to acquire a few more 2nd rd picks as well, but 4 first rd picks should be a very very good start in attaining high end talent that can help this team over the next decade. only one of those picks will be in the top 5 (Habs own pick).
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Koskinen, Mikko
  2. 2022 1st round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
Oilers get rid of Koskinen and get a decent 1b in return that is at a very very good cap hit.
EDM
  1. Allen, Jake
2.
MTL
  1. Dumont, Gabriel
  2. 2022 1st round pick (TBL)
Additional Details:
Consdering the Bolts traded a 1st for Savard, I'm sure they'd be willing to trade a 1st for a player who is much much better than Chiarot.
TBL
  1. Chiarot, Ben ($1,750,000 retained)
3.
MTL
  1. 2022 3rd round pick (WPG)
VAN
  1. Lehkonen, Artturi
Additional Details:
Van's PK is trash. Would they consider a low cost PK who is an RFA after this year?
4.
MTL
  1. Kravtsov, Vitali
  2. Georgiev, Alexandar
  3. 2022 1st round pick (NYR)
NYR
  1. Toffoli, Tyler
  2. Wideman, Chris
5.
MTL
  1. Galloway, Tyson [Reserve List]
  2. Sundqvist, Oskar
  3. 2022 1st round pick (STL)
STL
  1. Edmundson, Joel
Buyouts
  • Karl Alzner: $1,958,333
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Ben Chiarot: $1,750,000 (100%)
  • Brett Kulak: $925,000 (50%)
  • Ben Chiarot: $1,750,000 (50%)
  • Artturi Lehkonen: $1,150,000 (50%)
Buried
  • Mikko Koskinen: $3,375,000 ($4,500,000)
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2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$75,030,477$597,561$2,325,000$6,469,523
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Hoffman, Mike
$4,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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Suzuki, Nick
$863,333
C
UFA - 1
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Caufield, Cole
$880,833
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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Drouin, Jonathan
$5,500,000
LW, RW, C
NTC
UFA - 2
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Dvorak, Christian
$4,450,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
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Anderson, Josh
$5,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 6
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Kravtsov, Vitali
$925,000
RW
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Poehling, Ryan
$750,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
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Gallagher, Brendan
$6,500,000
RW
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UFA - 6
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Pezzetta, Michael
$750,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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Evans, Jake
$750,000
C, RW
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Armia, Joel
$3,400,000
RW, LW
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Sundqvist, Oskar
$2,750,000
C, RW
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Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Romanov, Alexander
$894,167
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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Petry, Jeff
$6,250,000
RD
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UFA - 4
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Price, Carey
$10,500,000
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Niku, Sami
$750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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Clague, Kale
$761,250
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RFA - 1
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Georgiev, Alexandar
$2,425,000
G
RFA - 1
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Kulak, Brett
$925,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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Savard, David
$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 4
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Weber, Shea
$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 5
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Byron, Paul
$3,400,000
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Dec. 8, 2021 at 11:49 a.m.
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Yeah no mikko literally has better numbers than allen this year and only has one year left on his deal there is no reason to give up a first
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Dec. 8, 2021 at 11:53 a.m.
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Yeah no mikko literally has better numbers than allen this year and only has one year left on his deal there is no reason to give up a first


i think your GM would do it if he wants to win a round. comparing Allens numbers is kinda funny considering habs are bottom 5 and oilers are top 5. put koskinen on the habs, and he'd be a healthy scratch. Allen has played some amazing hockey, its just the team in front of him is trash.
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Dec. 8, 2021 at 11:54 a.m.
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Yeah no mikko literally has better numbers than allen this year and only has one year left on his deal there is no reason to give up a first

I think Habs fans might just be the worst in the league at player valuations. Nobody is giving up a 1st just to downgrade at a critical position.
Dec. 8, 2021 at 11:54 a.m.
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Yeah TB declines. NO CAP SPACE. Who is Chariot replacing Hedman? Bhahahaha! McDonagh? Again Bhahahaha. Sergachev? For the Third time bhahahaha. They literally have $712 cap space when Kucherov and Point come back early January.
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Dec. 8, 2021 at 11:55 a.m.
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Yeah TB declines. NO CAP SPACE. Who is Chariot replacing Hedman? Bhahahaha! McDonagh? Again Bhahahaha. Sergachev? For the Third time bhahahaha


you guys legit traded a 1st for savard but okay.
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Dec. 8, 2021 at 11:56 a.m.
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i think your GM would do it if he wants to win a round. comparing Allens numbers is kinda funny considering habs are bottom 5 and oilers are top 5. put koskinen on the habs, and he'd be a healthy scratch. Allen has played some amazing hockey, its just the team in front of him is trash.


Fair but your basically assuming allen will play like a first round level talent on edmonton and I don't think giving up first round picks based off an assumption that allen will play better is the best move
Dec. 8, 2021 at 11:56 a.m.
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Yeah TB declines. NO CAP SPACE. Who is Chariot replacing Hedman? Bhahahaha! McDonagh? Again Bhahahaha. Sergachev? For the Third time bhahahaha


Chiarot can play both sides, i dont see tampa having interest in him either, but ya he would find a spot on the right side for sure.
Dec. 8, 2021 at 11:57 a.m.
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Quoting: Drshnuckels91
Fair but your basically assuming allen will play like a first round level talent on edmonton and I don't think giving up first round picks based off an assumption that allen will play better is the best move


how about a 2nd?
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Dec. 8, 2021 at 11:57 a.m.
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Chiarot can play both sides, i dont see tampa having interest in him either, but ya he would find a spot on the right side for sure.

Over?
Dec. 8, 2021 at 11:59 a.m.
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i think your GM would do it if he wants to win a round. comparing Allens numbers is kinda funny considering habs are bottom 5 and oilers are top 5. put koskinen on the habs, and he'd be a healthy scratch. Allen has played some amazing hockey, its just the team in front of him is trash.


Ya thats fair when looking at Allen's numbers, but not like edmonton is some defensive powerhouse either so not sure that train of thought works in this case.
Dec. 8, 2021 at 12:00 p.m.
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Over?


for sure over Bogosian at the very least
Dec. 8, 2021 at 12:01 p.m.
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for sure over Bogosian at the very least


Haven't watched BOGO play much this year have you
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Dec. 8, 2021 at 12:01 p.m.
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i think your GM would do it if he wants to win a round. comparing Allens numbers is kinda funny considering habs are bottom 5 and oilers are top 5. put koskinen on the habs, and he'd be a healthy scratch. Allen has played some amazing hockey, its just the team in front of him is trash.

That's just a completely false narrative: Koskinen has faced more shots/60, more xGA/60 and more high danger shots/60 than Allen this year. His average shot distance is also much closer than Allen's.

http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=all&score=all&stdoi=g&rate=y&team=ALL&pos=S&loc=B&toi=900&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL
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Dec. 8, 2021 at 12:02 p.m.
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Over?


who'd you play savard over LMAO.
Dec. 8, 2021 at 12:03 p.m.
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Quoting: Drshnuckels91
Fair but your basically assuming allen will play like a first round level talent on edmonton and I don't think giving up first round picks based off an assumption that allen will play better is the best move


Quoting: habs_need_Scoring
Ya thats fair when looking at Allen's numbers, but not like edmonton is some defensive powerhouse either so not sure that train of thought works in this case.

Look at post #13 above. It's a false narrative.
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Dec. 8, 2021 at 12:03 p.m.
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Haven't watched BOGO play much this year have you


not as much as i've watch chiarot play, would imagine that could be reversed as well or are you watching every habs game also? Early trade lists have Chiarot as the top dman available, fully get that tampa probably doesnt need to add to their team as they are stacked, but yes Chiarot would have a spot in your top 6.
Dec. 8, 2021 at 12:05 p.m.
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That's just a completely false narrative: Koskinen has faced more shots/60, more xGA/60 and more high danger shots/60 than Allen this year. His average shot distance is also much closer than Allen's.

http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=all&score=all&stdoi=g&rate=y&team=ALL&pos=S&loc=B&toi=900&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL


while on the same site, you can see that Allen's numbers, despite being on a horrible horrible team, are just the same as koskinen. now this is koskinen's numbers on one of the best teams in the leagues, and he's in teh same category as allen. imagine flipping that and look what allen could do in that situation. oilers fans are building a false narrative that this goaltending group can get them deep. imo they wont even get past the 2nd rd with this duo. at least allen would help you in that.
Dec. 8, 2021 at 12:06 p.m.
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while on the same site, you can see that Allen's numbers, despite being on a horrible horrible team, are just the same as koskinen. now this is koskinen's numbers on one of the best teams in the leagues, and he's in teh same category as allen. imagine flipping that and look what allen could do in that situation. oilers fans are building a false narrative that this goaltending group can get them deep. imo they wont even get past the 2nd rd with this duo. at least allen would help you in that.


edmonton is not one of the best TEAMS in the league, they have a solid record, but their success is because they have two of the top players in the world, They are not strong defensively by any means.
Dec. 8, 2021 at 12:08 p.m.
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not as much as i've watch chiarot play, would imagine that could be reversed as well or are you watching every habs game also? Early trade lists have Chiarot as the top dman available, fully get that tampa probably doesnt need to add to their team as they are stacked, but yes Chiarot would have a spot in your top 6.


TB unless someone gets hurt around the TDL they aren't going to be making any moves. If they do I see them going after a Manson or klingberg not Chariot
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Dec. 8, 2021 at 12:15 p.m.
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while on the same site, you can see that Allen's numbers, despite being on a horrible horrible team, are just the same as koskinen. now this is koskinen's numbers on one of the best teams in the leagues, and he's in teh same category as allen. imagine flipping that and look what allen could do in that situation. oilers fans are building a false narrative that this goaltending group can get them deep. imo they wont even get past the 2nd rd with this duo. at least allen would help you in that.


Yeah and allen doesn't help that man. We could give up that first for much better options on the defense as well
Dec. 8, 2021 at 12:16 p.m.
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Yeah TB declines. NO CAP SPACE. Who is Chariot replacing Hedman? Bhahahaha! McDonagh? Again Bhahahaha. Sergachev? For the Third time bhahahaha. They literally have $712 cap space when Kucherov and Point come back early January.


You guys have played Zach Bogosian 14 games this year
Dec. 8, 2021 at 12:18 p.m.
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edmonton is not one of the best TEAMS in the league, they have a solid record, but their success is because they have two of the top players in the world, They are not strong defensively by any means.


Its tippets fault man he isn't a good coach by any means he has done nothing to help us Nurse is an all star,bouchard basically is an all-star at this point and broberg is playing like a top 4 d-man. Ceci has been fine as well not good by any means but he has been fine (same with russell). Its just keith and barrie who are absolute dog sh** barrie is basically and winger and keith should just retire. If we play these lines:


Nurse-Bouchard
Broberg-Ceci
Russell-Barrie

Then our d-core would be fine
Dec. 8, 2021 at 12:20 p.m.
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You guys have played Zach Bogosian 14 games this year


He got hurt the first period of the first game and was out until the second week in November
Dec. 8, 2021 at 12:21 p.m.
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Quoting: Drshnuckels91
Yeah no mikko literally has better numbers than allen this year and only has one year left on his deal there is no reason to give up a first


Barely better numbers while playing on a significantly better team.

Allen: .907 with a 3.01 GAA
Koskinen: .911 with a 2.97 GAA

I'm not saying the difference is a 1st round pick, but there's more than enough reason to consider Allen as an upgrade. He's cheaper and has playoff experience as well, while he will almost undoubtedly perform better than Koskinen given the same conditions.
Dec. 8, 2021 at 12:25 p.m.
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That's just a completely false narrative: Koskinen has faced more shots/60, more xGA/60 and more high danger shots/60 than Allen this year. His average shot distance is also much closer than Allen's.

http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=all&score=all&stdoi=g&rate=y&team=ALL&pos=S&loc=B&toi=900&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL


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Barely better numbers while playing on a significantly better team.

Allen: .907 with a 3.01 GAA
Koskinen: .911 with a 2.97 GAA

I'm not saying the difference is a 1st round pick, but there's more than enough reason to consider Allen as an upgrade. He's cheaper and has playoff experience as well, while he will almost undoubtedly perform better than Koskinen given the same conditions.


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