Avoiding a MTL offer sheet on LAF

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Created by: aecliptic

Team: 2022-23 New York Rangers

Initial Creation Date: Dec. 10, 2021

Published: Dec. 10, 2021

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The idea behind this is simple.

Come the 2023 off-season, Alexis LaFreniere will become a restricted free agent. The Rangers will still be on a tight financial squeeze on resigning players. MTL has shown they are not shy about extending an offer sheet, and I dont think this situation is any different. I could easily see them extending an offer sheet that would price out the Rangers from resigning LAF and the compensation would be pennies on the dollar compared to what it would cost. Im sure MTL would happily give up a 1st and a 3rd to get their second son back home.

Heres the summary of things.
Strome, Kakko, Gauthier and Rooney are signed. A veteran goalie is brought in as a back up.
Blais, because of financial constraints is not resigned. He has a qualifying offer of 1.6m and with seeing how good Hunt is, plus how talented our kids are (Othmann and Cuylle) its not good for us financially.
Miller would be the only free agent needing to be resigned the following year giving us some much needed financial stability for 2 years with the hope that the salary cap will go up more.

Say what you want, but this would be the time to consolidate all the pieces and prospects they have for a bonafide #1 center of the future.

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Kakko, Kaapo		3	$2,750,000
Gauthier, Julien		2	$1,250,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Strome, Ryan	5	$5,650,000
Rooney, Kevin	3	$1,200,000
Koskinen, Mikko	2	$1,200,000

CREATED		YEARS	CAP HIT
Wright, Shane		3	$925,000

Trades

NYR

2022 1st round pick (ARI)

Additional Details:

1OA (Shane Wright)

ARI

Blais, Samuel [RFA Rights]
Chytil, Filip
Lafrenière, Alexis
Lundkvist, Nils
2022 1st round pick (NYR)
2023 2nd round pick (NYR)

Additional Details:

Conditional 2nd round pick, could become a 1st round pick.

Buyouts

Kevin Shattenkirk: $1,433,333
Dan Girardi: $1,111,111
Anthony Deangelo: $883,334
Brad Richards: $0

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$82,500,000	$82,338,969	$0	$882,500	$161,031

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Kreider, Chris $6,500,000$6,500,000 LW NMC UFA - 5	Zibanejad, Mika $8,500,000$8,500,000 C NMC UFA - 8	Kakko, Kaapo $2,750,000$2,750,000 RW RFA - 2
Panarin, Artemi $11,642,857$11,642,857 LW NMC UFA - 4	Strome, Ryan $5,650,000$5,650,000 RW, C UFA - 5	Gauthier, Julien $1,250,000$1,250,000 RW UFA - 1
Cuylle, Will $828,333$828,333 ($82,500$82K) LW RFA - 3	Wright, Shane $925,000$925,000	Othmann, Brennan $894,167$894,167 LW RFA - 4
Goodrow, Barclay $3,641,667$3,641,667 C, LW M-NTC UFA - 5	Rooney, Kevin $1,200,000$1,200,000 C UFA - 2	Reaves, Ryan $1,750,000$1,750,000 RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Lindgren, Ryan $3,000,000$3,000,000 LD RFA - 2	Fox, Adam $9,500,000$9,500,000 RD UFA - 7	Shesterkin, Igor $5,666,667$5,666,667 G UFA - 3
Miller, K'Andre $925,000$925,000 ($400,000$400K) LD RFA - 1	Trouba, Jacob $8,000,000$8,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 4	Koskinen, Mikko $1,200,000$1,200,000 G UFA
Nemeth, Patrik $2,500,000$2,500,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Schneider, Braden $925,000$925,000 ($400,000$400K) RD RFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Tinordi, Jarred $900,000$900,000 LD UFA - 1
Hunt, Dryden $762,500$762,500 LW, RW UFA - 1

Dec. 10, 2021 at 11:27 a.m.

GeneralLandro

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That is A LOT to trade away man

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Dec. 10, 2021 at 11:28 a.m.

NucksnOilers

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Yeah man good idea but I don't think u need that much laf still holds a fair amount of value as he was a former no.1 overall pick

Dec. 10, 2021 at 11:29 a.m.

hero9154

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Rangers decline. Rangers will find a way to make it work whether it is trading Nemeth, Lindgren or not signing Strome.

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Dec. 10, 2021 at 11:35 a.m.

FrankFurter48

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You'd have to do this after the lottery right?

Dec. 10, 2021 at 11:35 a.m.

aecliptic

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Quoting: FrankFurter48

You'd have to do this after the lottery right?

Yes would happen after the lottery.

Dec. 10, 2021 at 11:39 a.m.

aecliptic

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Quoting: hero9154

Rangers decline. Rangers will find a way to make it work whether it is trading Nemeth, Lindgren or not signing Strome.

It makes zero sense to do so, playing a stud player behind Panarin and Kreider, devaluing him year after year.

I find it highly unlikely they dont resign Strome. The gamble is too high to not bring back Panarin's wingman.

Theyre not going to get rid of Lindgren. Trading Nemeth away wont be enough. An offer sheet of 5m from MTL is beyond anything we can do, especially because we would need to resign Miller as well the same year.

Dec. 10, 2021 at 11:40 a.m.

aecliptic

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Quoting: Drshnuckels91

Yeah man good idea but I don't think u need that much laf still holds a fair amount of value as he was a former no.1 overall pick

Youre probably right, however, this is how far Id go with an offer to get the right to draft Shane Wright.

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Dec. 10, 2021 at 11:40 a.m.

MatthewsFan

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The 2023 season is going to be such a cap crunch for so many teams.

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Dec. 10, 2021 at 11:55 a.m.

hero9154

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Quoting: aecliptic

Strome - it all depends on what cap hit they can get him at. I agree it is a gamble not to bring him back unless he comes in at around $5M AAV for 3-4 years.

Lindgren - he has 2 years left on his deal after this season which he will be due another raise. We can replace him in the lineup with Robertson (and/or Jones). Realistically our LHD is Lindgren, Miller, Jones, Robertson so someone is going to have to go. It is also quite possible they buy out Trouba or Goodrow after next season.

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Dec. 10, 2021 at 12:12 p.m.

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aecliptic

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Quoting: hero9154

The contract I put up for Strome is what I understand the Rangers are targeting. If you can find me a center in the league with 126 points in 147 games played (.857 PPG avg) who seems to be as willing to take a sub-6m contract as Strome seems to be please let me know.

Now, you talk about our left defense as if we have some sort of abundance of riches there. We dont. Lindgren is our only solid LD. I dont think Miller is as good as people hype him up to be. Nemeth is a fine 3rd pairing defenseman. Jones is a 5'9 offensive defenseman. Robertson, who I like, could be good, but who knows. Through that you want to toss away our stalwart left defenseman, and most importantly Fox's partner. Thats not happening.

Think about this for a second, youre talking about gutting some very important things that make this team successful today to hold on to (and potentially over pay because of an offer sheet) LaFreniere who could be a 3rd liner for the next 3-4 years. Or you trade him, get what some people think is one of the best C prospects in years, play for today but play for tomorrow as well.

Dec. 10, 2021 at 12:13 p.m.

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the guy that made the canadiens oversheet is gone so don't worry.

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Dec. 10, 2021 at 12:15 p.m.

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aecliptic

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Quoting: Marshallchapman9

the guy that made the canadiens oversheet is gone so don't worry.

Well, my question to you then even if hes gone. Is it worth it to offer sheet LAF at 4m to 5m where the compensation is only a 1st and 3rd?

Dec. 10, 2021 at 12:17 p.m.

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Quoting: aecliptic

Well, my question to you then even if hes gone. Is it worth it to offer sheet LAF at 4m to 5m where the compensation is only a 1st and 3rd?

I'd pass

Dec. 10, 2021 at 12:33 p.m.

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Arizona has fully committed to a tank. They aren't making that trade

Dec. 10, 2021 at 12:34 p.m.

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Quoting: aecliptic

I've heard the Rangers are targeting $4.75-$5.25M but we are within ballpark of each other. I don't know why you are arguing with me about Strome (I never said he wasn't good or a 2C).

Technically we do have an abundance of riches at LHD as we could trade any of Lindgren, Miller, Jones and Robertson at any point with ease. Ideally the best defense we could probably atm ice is Miller/Fox, Jones/Trouba and Lindgren/Lundkvist with Nemeth being the 7th.

Now i'm going to use the same phrase you used on me with Robertson. Wright could be good, but who knows. We don't really know what we have yet in any of our young players (Laffy, Jones, Robertson) If we could get Wright, I would rather keep Chytil and trade Strome. Chytil for 2C for a year or two and then Wright 2C and Chytil 3C. Use the cap savings between Strome and Wright/Chytil elsewhere.

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Dec. 10, 2021 at 12:45 p.m.

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Quoting: hero9154

Now i'm going to use the same phrase you used on me with Robertson. Wright could be good, but who knows. We don't really know what we have yet in any of our young players (Laffy, Jones, Robertson) If we could get Wright, I would rather keep Chytil and trade Strome. Chytil for 2C for a year or two and then Wright 2C and Chytil 3C. Use the cap savings between Strome and Wright/Chytil elsewhere.

If you dont resign Strome and play Chytil with Panarin. You can forget the playoffs. Panarin will never score more than 80 pts ever again. Chytil isnt a center no matter how hard the Rangers brass has tried to brainwash you to believe it.

Theres a lot less guessing when it comes to the talent of Wright. At no point does anyone think that he wont be a star. Theyve been scouting and grooming this kid since he was like 10 yo.

I think Miller is overrated, and you saw it against the Avs when he got burned ugly twice.
Jones is a really good offensive prospect however, I dont think he is apart of the future here. I dont think the team wants another small offensive guy out there.
Personally I think Schneider is better than Lundkvist as far as fielding our best D.

Dec. 10, 2021 at 12:49 p.m.

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Quoting: aecliptic

I've been personally saying on here and other boards that Chytil is a winger so I agree with you there.

Agree with Wright but we were also told that Laffy was going to be a star too. Nobody knows how these 18/19 year old kids will develop.

Yeah Miller did get beat bad twice but the tools are there...I'm not ready to give up on him yet. I agree that Jones is probably the odd man out and he will be moved for forward help whether this trade deadline or in the offseason. Schneider i believe is going to replace Trouba down the road.

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Dec. 10, 2021 at 1:04 p.m.

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Quoting: hero9154

Schneider will replace him, but theres still a lot of time until that NMC becomes a NTC and we can do it.
Honestly, the reason I think why were not seeing what we expected out of LAF is because were not playing a system conducive to his talents. No matter what we do, he will always be paired/centered with below average people who may not be able to play with him.

Theres 2 guys who may become available at the deadline, Giroux and Pavelski. Lets say we pull in a guy like Giroux, awesome but it doesnt help LAF because he will likely be centering (and winging as Id expect it to be a fluid position between Strome and whomever, hypothetically speaking) Strome and Panarin. In an ideal world, Id like to see LAF, Giroux, Kreider - Panarin, Zib, Strome... however unfortunately it bumps Kreider to his off wing and Kakko to the 3RW. What can we do, how much can we do to facilitate putting LAF in a position to succeed?

Dec. 10, 2021 at 1:11 p.m.

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Quoting: aecliptic

I like both Giroux and Pavelski but would hate sending any prospects to Philly and facing them in the future. Lafrenière — Mika — Giroux and Panarin — Strome — Kakko would be a really good top 6 but then we are breaking up Kreider and Mika.

Pavelski would be my target and we have recent history trading with Dallas (though not Drury).

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Dec. 10, 2021 at 1:18 p.m.

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Quoting: hero9154

Yea no matter what we do, someone is getting bumped down the line up with a trade and trying to position LAF. Its nice to have, but I think were in a very good position to consolidate some pieces.

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Dec. 10, 2021 at 5:33 p.m.

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Offer sheets don't and won't happen. Molson heard loud & clear what Dundon & owners think about stealing kids & spiking rfa salaries

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