If the leafs want a terrible defense man there are much cheaper ways to get one

That's a rather terrible assessment of De Haan. I don't think he's the defenceman that Toronto needs for what it's worth - I'd still put more money on a Manson- or Severson-type being more the need (or just less Holl in general) - but De Haan isn't terrible. His name should be up more with the Lindholm-esque names being touted as rental defenders, especially over guys like Chiarot.

I think Edmonton accepts, at least they'd be getting more than just Fleury for their first? Not keen on that pick being used on a netminder but it's better than most Fleury-to-Edmonton deals I see.

You havent watched CDH then lol he actually plays defense and can play both sides. Plus youre getting rid of terrible contracts in Mrazek and Ritchie while we're retaining. Hawks decline this trade anyway Mrazek/Ritchie arent worth the second.

I actually like all of these trades a lot. The values are really fair and well-thought out with really good explanations.

The only one I'd reconsider is Kubalik. I feel like he might actually be worth a little more to a team in need of secondary scoring. But I could definitely see him going for that package too.

Extremely well done

no, DeHaan is terrible. it's very simple. He cant defend, he cant put up offence and comparing him to Lindholm is a huge insult to Lindholm. Just because some dumb GM is gonna over pay for chariot doesnt make DeHaan a good option

yes. i have watched him. And he's awful. And no, the Mrazek deal isnt a terrible contract just because he got hurt. Hell, Ritchie even has something like 8 points in his last 10 games, maybe you should watch them play!
The leafs arnt trading you Mrazek for Dehaan straight up let alone adding

Maybe new prescriptions would help then? Everyone in your fanbase laments about how bad Ritchie, I think ill go with the majority of people on this one and how historically he is bad. Mrazek in limited games has 4.00+ GAA in both the NHL and the AHL and he has 3 years left at 3.8 mil not money you want.

yeah, it's not like Mrazek has an entire year outside the 12.5 game sample size of the last two seasons or something. As far as Ritchie goes, he hasnt been great by any standard but he's still doing more this season than DeHaan is.
DeHaan is bad and the leafs dont need bad defenders, especially if it takes away from their forward depth and leaves them with no back up and then on top of that includes a pick.
Like I said, terrible defenders can be had much cheaper

Look, I'm not going to blow smoke up your ass and profess I bother to watch Blackhawks games - I don't - but you're clearly trying to paint an independent narrative here without considering any facts other than your own feelings regarding the player.

In terms of Blackhawks regulars De Haan has been their best defenceman since acquiring him from Carolina bar none. There hasn't been a defenceman on this roster to crack a 50% in any advanced metric, which speaks volumes to both how poor the team has been and how awful the coaching has been up until late. Keep in Mind De Haan has done so while riding a career-low PDO. He's a very sneaky good defenceman on an otherwise bankrupt franchise and a new environment anywhere else would prove that. If you subscribe to anything JFresh publishes, his WAR is absolutely insane and is immediately comparable with the likes of Lindholm. If another team acquires De Haan to be an overqualified third-pair LHD or a competent second-pair option, they'll be more than happy with their investment, as he will cost less than Chiarot and bring more value.

DeHaan isnt even cracking 50% in any 5v5 stats this year and has negative rel numbers in all situations too, so being "better" is pretty subject to whatever stat you wanna look at. As for PDO, well he's getting over 50% offensive zone starts. The Black hawks are bad, but he's not exempt from those issues.

De Haan isn’t a bad player, but that’s a big no from the Leafs.

Ritchie hasn’t been amazing, but he has been solid (especially as of late).

Mrazek has been injured. That doesn’t make him a cap dump.
Maybe not worth his contract, sure. But cap dump, no.

What part of nobody on the Blackhawks has been above 50% in the past two seasons do you need me to re-emphasize for you to look past your own biases? It hasn't been since Koekkoek was a Blackhawk and Gustafsson had a career year that the Blackhawks had a defenceman winning any statistical battle. There's a filter you must look at these players with to account for how awful Collition was behind the bench. That's why I very much prefer using WAR for judging defencemen on poor teams as it compares them against all defenders in the league. De Haan is a value player on a team that has no business in being anything more than draft lottery fodder.

I'm not arguing the point any further: if you want to continue to be obnoxiously biased and unwilling to take any form of criticism or feedback (god forbid someone notices something you haven't) then please go find another hobby that allows you to better capitalize on those strengths.

I realize you said to anyone, but Kubalik definitely won't be coming back to LA after the fiasco surrounding his ELC.

yes, and i was emphasizing that DeHaan is part of the issue. Decent players put up half decent numbers even with terrible coaches and terrible teams. I prefer to use all stats including WAR because it gives a full picture, if someone has bad stats everywhere else and a juiced WAR then something fishy is going on.
Now, if you wanna put your foot down and not argue, fine, but come off the mic drop and just leave it, because when you follow it up with "unwilling to take any form of criticism or feedback" when you're doing the exact same thing it comes off pretty weak. Now, if you wanna talk hockey I'll talk hockey, but leave that stuff out of it, unless you're gonna start telling everyone in the thread.

The only trade that is egregiously over valued is probably Strome, if anybody offered the Hawks a 2nd I think he would already be gone.