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Created by: islandersfan14
Team: 2021-22 New York Islanders
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 14, 2021
Published: Dec. 14, 2021
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i feel like the lindholm trade needs more, what do you think
Trades
1.
NYI
  1. Kessel, Phil ($3,400,000 retained)
ARI
  1. 2022 3rd round pick (NYI)
  2. 2022 6th round pick (NYI)
  3. 2023 7th round pick (NYI)
Additional Details:
3rd rounder for kessel, 6th and 7th for retained
2.
Buyouts
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DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$78,574,466$1,365,854$2,857,500$2,925,534
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 5
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
RW
RFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 4
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$5,000,000$5,000,000
C
NTC
UFA - 5
Logo of the New York Islanders
$750,000$750,000 (Performance Bonus$750,000$750K)
LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$2,500,000$2,500,000
C
UFA - 6
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 3
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
LD
UFA - 8
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
UFA - 3
Logo of the Anaheim Ducks
$2,602,778$2,602,778
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the New York Islanders
$842,500$842,500 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
LD
RFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$1,450,000$1,450,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the New York Islanders
$750,000$750,000 (Performance Bonus$250,000$250K)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$750,000$750,000 (Performance Bonus$750,000$750K)
LD
UFA - 1

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Dec. 14, 2021 at 9:08 a.m.
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No, just no. Probably need a bit more for Kessel. Lindholm is a UFA at the end of the year, trading Beau makes no sense
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Dec. 14, 2021 at 9:09 a.m.
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Make it a 1st and pretty much got a deal
Dec. 14, 2021 at 9:13 a.m.
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Kessel is a 4th liner so I don’t see a reason to trade for him.

The islanders are not trading Beau for a late 20’s defenseman, this is how you run the team into the ground.
Dec. 14, 2021 at 9:13 a.m.
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Daws is underrated
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Quoting: Marcheesy
No, just no. Probably need a bit more for Kessel. Lindholm is a UFA at the end of the year, trading Beau makes no sense


beau has been under performing heavily this year.
Dec. 14, 2021 at 9:15 a.m.
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beau has been under performing heavily this year.


No he has not, it’s more his linemates. Why would you sell low on a guy that would easily score 30 goals on another team. I assume you also wanted to trade Devon Toews after he had a bad playoff series
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Dec. 14, 2021 at 9:21 a.m.
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Quoting: islandersfan14
beau has been under performing heavily this year.


First off, both you and I know Beau is very streaky. He’s got 2 more years after this, also very young still. To sell him low for a guy who might not resign makes no sense. Unless Girard, Theodore, or Chychrun are the D-man coming back, stay away from trading Beau
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Dec. 14, 2021 at 9:25 a.m.
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Daws is underrated
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Quoting: Db1899
No he has not, it’s more his linemates. Why would you sell low on a guy that would easily score 30 goals on another team. I assume you also wanted to trade Devon Toews after he had a bad playoff series


hell no toews not only was great but he was also my favorite player at the time
Dec. 14, 2021 at 9:30 a.m.
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No he has not, it’s more his linemates. Why would you sell low on a guy that would easily score 30 goals on another team. I assume you also wanted to trade Devon Toews after he had a bad playoff series


He has underperformed. Beau has played some terrible hockey. So has Bailey, Palmieri, Parise, Pageau, and Barzal until a few games ago. Beau is not a 30 goal scorer, his game is too streaky for that, probably like 20-25 which is still solid
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Dec. 14, 2021 at 9:39 a.m.
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Quoting: Marcheesy
He has underperformed. Beau has played some terrible hockey. So has Bailey, Palmieri, Parise, Pageau, and Barzal until a few games ago. Beau is not a 30 goal scorer, his game is too streaky for that, probably like 20-25 which is still solid


Beauvilliers isolated impact shows he’s not underperforming. He’s still driving play at both ends of the ice

Most top 6 goal scorers are streaky. Beauvillier was on pace for 26 goals last season playing 2nd line minutes and at one point wasn’t even on the PP. Hes also just entering his prime and most analytical models have Beaus shooting talent well above average. He is definitely capable of scoring 30
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Dec. 14, 2021 at 10:48 a.m.
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Beauvilliers isolated impact shows he’s not underperforming. He’s still driving play at both ends of the ice

Most top 6 goal scorers are streaky. Beauvillier was on pace for 26 goals last season playing 2nd line minutes and at one point wasn’t even on the PP. Hes also just entering his prime and most analytical models have Beaus shooting talent well above average. He is definitely capable of scoring 30


Beau’s overall game is streaky, not just his goal scoring. Where do you see these stats that be drives play at both ends? Give me stats, please show me. Beau had 2 goals in the first 22 games, then scored 6 in the next 7 games, then 7 games without a goal, and then 7 goals in the last 11 games. Where in that does it give you confidence that Beau will be a 30 goal scorer?
Dec. 14, 2021 at 11:23 a.m.
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Beau’s overall game is streaky, not just his goal scoring. Where do you see these stats that be drives play at both ends? Give me stats, please show me. Beau had 2 goals in the first 22 games, then scored 6 in the next 7 games, then 7 games without a goal, and then 7 goals in the last 11 games. Where in that does it give you confidence that Beau will be a 30 goal scorer?


it's amazing how isles fans lack the ability to understand simple statistics/analytics. If you read through this article , you'll see that Jfresh's model has his two way impact "20-22" so far is nearly identical. Beau's overall game is never streaky, just his goal scoring. Did you know with the exception of the truly elite players, most goal scorers are streaky, even ones that play on the top line and score 30 goals.

Last season Beauvillier was on pace for 26 goals averaging 16:24 of ice time , which is low end 2nd line minutes. Basic math will tell you if he got the 18 -19 min like he deserves he would have scored at a 30 goal pace. This season Beauvillier is shooting 7.1% through 21 games despite generating offense at a high level. The last 3 seasons here are Beau's shooting % : 11.5%, 13.6%, 13.8%. Have you ever heard of regression to the mean? Beauvillier is still averaging 2 shots a game so it's a guarantee that the goals will start going in. If he wasn't averaging 2 goals a game that would mean his offense is declining.

Not only does Jfresh's model have his overall game as nearly identical, but Hockey viz isolated impact which isolates a players impact from his teammates show that Beauvillier is the strongest offensive play driver on the team this season other from Nelson. His xgf/60 is "+7" which means that Beau generates offense 7% better than league average. His defensive impact is "-1" which means that Beau is 1% better than league average.

Look at Eberle who is averaging 18 min and is on pace for 39 goals on an expansion team. TOI matters.
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Dec. 14, 2021 at 11:24 a.m.
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Beau’s overall game is streaky, not just his goal scoring. Where do you see these stats that be drives play at both ends? Give me stats, please show me. Beau had 2 goals in the first 22 games, then scored 6 in the next 7 games, then 7 games without a goal, and then 7 goals in the last 11 games. Where in that does it give you confidence that Beau will be a 30 goal scorer?



 
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