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A different TDL approach

Created by: MauriceArthur15
Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 15, 2021
Published: Dec. 15, 2021
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Rust, Bryan ($1,750,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Retention by a 3rd team, not Pittsburgh.
PIT
  1. Hollowell, Mac
  2. Mikheyev, Ilya
  3. 2022 1st round pick (TOR)
2.
TOR
    Salary retention
    SEA
    1. 2023 4th round pick (TOR)
    3.
    TOR
    1. Miller, Colin ($1,937,500 retained)
    BUF
    1. Holl, Justin
    2. Kokkonen, Mikko [Reserve List]
    3. 2023 3rd round pick (TOR)
    Retained Salary Transactions
    Buried
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2022
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    2023
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    Logo of the TOR
    2024
    Logo of the TOR
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    21$81,500,000$81,200,616$0$400,000$299,384
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
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    $950,000$950,000
    LW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $11,640,250$11,640,250
    C
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $10,903,000$10,903,000
    RW
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $3,500,000$3,500,000
    LW, C, RW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $11,000,000$11,000,000
    C, LW
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $6,962,366$6,962,366
    RW
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $1,750,000$1,750,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $1,250,000$1,250,000
    RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    LW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    C
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $900,000$900,000
    RW, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $750,000$750,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    LD/RD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $1,650,000$1,650,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $5,625,000$5,625,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $1,937,500$1,937,500
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $3,800,000$3,800,000
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $894,167$894,167
    LD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
    RD
    RFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 2

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    Dec. 15, 2021 at 12:41 p.m.
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    Quoting: JaredOfLondon
    no, im literally saying that because he's not good, he was only ever good when he was making 1 mill as a 23 year old to play very sheltered hockey on a deep defence.


    Neither are very good hockey players, but Miller does bring a stronger offensive game.
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    Dec. 15, 2021 at 12:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    And Miller has been playing on awful BUF teams, so what does that tell you?


    it tells me that Colin Miller is riding an on ice shooting percentage that is double his career average
    Dec. 15, 2021 at 12:44 p.m.
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    Neither are very good hockey players, but Miller does bring a stronger offensive game.


    no, he doesnt. And even if he did the leafs do not need an expensive bottom pairing guy who cant defend
    Dec. 15, 2021 at 12:45 p.m.
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    Quoting: JaredOfLondon
    it tells me that Colin Miller is riding an on ice shooting percentage that is double his career average


    This is a very weak take.
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    Dec. 15, 2021 at 12:46 p.m.
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    Quoting: JaredOfLondon
    no, he doesnt. And even if he did the leafs do not need an expensive bottom pairing guy who cant defend


    Bud you gotta understand how the Leafs play. They play a far more fast and paced game. They need guys like miller to move the puck. It’s how they’re effective at defending as well. They defend leads by playing in teams o-zone and being annoying.
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    Dec. 15, 2021 at 12:46 p.m.
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    Quoting: JaredOfLondon
    no, he doesnt. And even if he did the leafs do not need an expensive bottom pairing guy who cant defend


    Yes, he does. Neither are very good dman and there's not a huge difference between their on-ice impact.
    Dec. 15, 2021 at 12:47 p.m.
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    This is a very weak take.


    No, it's called context. When one guy is better 2 out of 3 years and then the other guy finally has a 'better' year and the guys he plays with (including him) are scoring at a rate double what he has averaged then it's not an indication of abilities.
    What's weak is taking a 20 game sample and stating that one guy is better than the other at something for sure simply because its happened more recently
    Dec. 15, 2021 at 12:48 p.m.
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    Quoting: MauriceArthur15
    Bud you gotta understand how the Leafs play. They play a far more fast and paced game. They need guys like miller to move the puck. It’s how they’re effective at defending as well. They defend leads by playing in teams o-zone and being annoying.


    Bud, I know how the Leafs play. Miller isnt good. He would not help them any more than Holl would because he isnt good.
    Dec. 15, 2021 at 12:48 p.m.
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    Yes, he does. Neither are very good dman and there's not a huge difference between their on-ice impact.


    When it comes to miller he’s good fit in the leafs because they play a more fast paced game. They need guys like Miller who can move the puck quickly and breakout the puck fast.

    Even they’re NZ trap 1-1-3 literally makes it hard for teams to get set up with how passive the system is. Teams are forced to dump it in and they make 2-3 quick passes and they back in the other teams zone.
    Dec. 15, 2021 at 12:50 p.m.
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    Quoting: JaredOfLondon
    No, it's called context. When one guy is better 2 out of 3 years and then the other guy finally has a 'better' year and the guys he plays with (including him) are scoring at a rate double what he has averaged then it's not an indication of abilities.
    What's weak is taking a 20 game sample and stating that one guy is better than the other at something for sure simply because its happened more recently


    You're missing the entire context when you're comparing a lower level player on a lower tier team and a lower level player on a top tiered team.
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    Dec. 15, 2021 at 12:50 p.m.
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    Quoting: JaredOfLondon
    Bud, I know how the Leafs play. Miller isnt good. He would not help them any more than Holl would because he isnt good.


    Then what you want Matt Roy, Damon Severson or Alexandre Carrier.

    These guys will cost more and to build successful teams you need to find undervalued assets
    Dec. 15, 2021 at 12:51 p.m.
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    Quoting: MauriceArthur15
    When it comes to miller he’s good fit in the leafs because they play a more fast paced game. They need guys like Miller who can move the puck quickly and breakout the puck fast.

    Even they’re NZ trap 1-1-3 literally makes it hard for teams to get set up with how passive the system is. Teams are forced to dump it in and they make 2-3 quick passes and they back in the other teams zone.


    I think overall this is a very non-controversial trade and the fact this is being argued to this extent is silly lol
    Dec. 15, 2021 at 12:51 p.m.
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    You're missing the entire context when you're comparing a lower level player on a lower tier team and a lower level player on a top tiered team.


    no, you're missing the context that bad teams just have bad players and that's why they are bad.
    Dec. 15, 2021 at 12:52 p.m.
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    Quoting: MauriceArthur15
    Then what you want Matt Roy, Damon Severson or Alexandre Carrier.

    These guys will cost more and to build successful teams you need to find undervalued assets


    yes, i am aware that good players cost more. That doesnt change that this is a big over payment for a bad player that wouldnt improve the leafs.
    Dec. 15, 2021 at 12:54 p.m.
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    Quoting: JaredOfLondon
    no, you're missing the context that bad teams just have bad players and that's why they are bad.


    We're arguing two bottom pairing dmen. If you think Holl would all of a sudden make this huge change on a team like BUF you're sadly mistaken. Holl's numbers are drastically affected by being surrounded by so many quality players. He's a passenger, not a driver.
    Dec. 15, 2021 at 1:02 p.m.
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    We're arguing two bottom pairing dmen. If you think Holl would all of a sudden make this huge change on a team like BUF you're sadly mistaken. Holl's numbers are drastically affected by being surrounded by so many quality players. He's a passenger, not a driver.


    The point is that miller wouldn't improve the leafs, not that holl would be great on the sabres. Miller doesnt drive anything and never has. He is, over the course of their careers a worse player and in swapping them, especially when adding, would make the leafs worse.
    If they are spending assetsit should be for an upgrade that fills a need. Miller does neither
     
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