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Absolutely Must Step 2 TDL

Created by: BatVader
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 17, 2021
Published: Dec. 17, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Winnipeg Jets
Trades
1.
WPG
  1. Pulock, Ryan
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Assuming an Isles rebuild
No retention needed.
NYI
  1. Schmidt, Nate
  2. Heinola, Ville
  3. Lucius, Chaz [Reserve List]
  4. 2022 1st round pick (WPG)
  5. 2024 3rd round pick (WPG)
Additional Details:
Schmidt is a must for cap reasons.
Heinola is LHD prospect that plays both sides.
Lucius is 18 yr old C prospect drafted 18th OA last draft
2022 1st is lottery protected , top 10
2024 3rd is conditional…is Jets make WCF, it becomes 2nd… if Jets win Stanley Cup, it becomes a 1st
2.
WPG
  1. Appleton, Mason
  2. Soucy, Carson
Additional Details:
This trade should be done in December
SEA
  1. Dillon, Brenden
  2. 2023 4th round pick (WPG)
Additional Details:
This trade should be done in December
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$71,831,312$145,122$907,500$9,668,688
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Connor, Kyle
$7,142,857
LW
UFA - 5
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Scheifele, Mark
$6,125,000
C
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UFA - 3
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Ehlers, Nikolaj
$6,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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Copp, Andrew
$3,640,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
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Dubois, Pierre-Luc
$5,000,000
C
RFA - 1
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Svechnikov, Evgeny
$750,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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Stastny, Paul
$3,750,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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Lowry, Adam
$3,250,000
C
NTC
UFA - 5
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Vesalainen, Kristian
$894,167
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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Toninato, Dominic
$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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Gustafsson, David
$817,500
C
RFA - 1
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Appleton, Mason
$900,000
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Morrissey, Joshua
$6,250,000
LD
UFA - 7
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Pulock, Ryan
$5,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
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Hellebuyck, Connor
$6,166,666
G
UFA - 3
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Stanley, Logan
$900,000
LD
RFA - 2
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Pionk, Neal
$5,875,000
RD
UFA - 4
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Comrie, Eric
$750,000
G
UFA - 1
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Soucy, Carson
$2,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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DeMelo, Dylan
$3,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Harkins, Jansen
$725,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
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Little, Bryan
$5,291,667
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 3
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Beaulieu, Nathan
$1,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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Wheeler, Blake
$8,250,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 3

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Dec. 17, 2021 at 9:25 p.m.
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in the case of an islanders rebuild, that package is pretty solid. he does get a raise next year if that matters for the jets’ cap situation? but it’s 1.1mil so should be covered by the cap increase.
Dec. 17, 2021 at 9:31 p.m.
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in the case of an islanders rebuild, that package is pretty solid. he does get a raise next year if that matters for the jets’ cap situation? but it’s 1.1mil so should be covered by the cap increase.


Yeah, i saw that..I took that into account… thanx
I was trying to give value for a signed long term #1 RD of his age and ability… wasn’t sure about Lucius, but glad it works. Really don’t want to move Perfetti as we don’t know what Scheifele is going to do and we might need Perfetti
Dec. 17, 2021 at 9:32 p.m.
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whats the cost of heinola coming from MTL
i think we could use a prospect who can play right side
Dec. 17, 2021 at 9:47 p.m.
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Edited Dec. 17, 2021 at 9:55 p.m.
If the isles went into a rebuild (I doubt it) perfetti needs to be included in the deal.

Perfetti, Heinola, Schmidt + 2nd for Pulock is what it would have to look like
Dec. 17, 2021 at 9:54 p.m.
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Quoting: Db1899
If the isles went into a rebuild (I doubt it) perfetti needs to be included in the deal. You can take out Lucius + the 1st and add a 2nd + perfetti


Perfetti isnt being moved
Dec. 17, 2021 at 9:56 p.m.
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Perfetti isnt being moved


Neither is Pulock
Dec. 17, 2021 at 9:57 p.m.
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Neither is Pulock


Fine with me

Pulock isn’t worth the upgrade to Schmidt by FAR with Perfetti
Dec. 17, 2021 at 10:05 p.m.
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Fine with me

Pulock isn’t worth the upgrade to Schmidt by FAR with Perfetti


Fair value doesn’t get you Pulock. He’s an elite #1 defenseman on a bargain contract. Schmidt is a #4 at this point is his career.
Dec. 17, 2021 at 10:40 p.m.
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Fair value doesn’t get you Pulock. He’s an elite #1 defenseman on a bargain contract. Schmidt is a #4 at this point is his career.


Pulock would get more if he was an elite #1

And u don’t watch Schmidt if u think he’s #4
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Dec. 17, 2021 at 10:44 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyFan989
Pulock would get more if he was an elite #1

And u don’t watch Schmidt if u think he’s #4


Pulock would have gotten 7.5-8 mill if he hit the open market. He took a discount.

I’ve watched a lot of Schmidt over the last two years. He doesn’t drive play as well as he used to. He’s a 2nd pair D
Dec. 18, 2021 at 12:32 a.m.
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Pulock would have gotten 7.5-8 mill if he hit the open market. He took a discount.

I’ve watched a lot of Schmidt over the last two years. He doesn’t drive play as well as he used to. He’s a 2nd pair D


he took a discount but his numbers definitely dont suggest hes an elite #1

and Schmidt's looking really good, the past 2 years is old news
Dec. 18, 2021 at 12:34 a.m.
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I wouldn't do this, the Jets defense isn't its issue, they can't fukkin score, need some forwards who can put the puck in the damn net.
Dec. 18, 2021 at 12:36 a.m.
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Quoting: HockeyFan989
he took a discount but his numbers definitely dont suggest hes an elite #1

and Schmidt's looking really good, the past 2 years is old news

His numbers do suggest he’s an elite #1

Dec. 18, 2021 at 10:22 a.m.
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His numbers do suggest he’s an elite #1



He’s doesn’t have to offensive flair to be considered an elite #1 and he’s playing Trotz’s defence first system

Even if the site suggests he’s worth 8 when he just signed a 6 mill deal long term taking an apparent 25% pay cut elite #1’s still make more then 6-8
Dec. 18, 2021 at 10:26 a.m.
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He’s doesn’t have to offensive flair to be considered an elite #1 and he’s playing Trotz’s defence first system

Even if the site suggests he’s worth 8 when he just signed a 6 mill deal long term taking an apparent 25% pay cut elite #1’s still make more then 6-8


Pulock is top 20 in offensive impact among defenseman over the last 4 years. It does not matter what he signed for - his analytics + overall impact show he was a top 15 Dman over the 3 seasons.
Dec. 18, 2021 at 7:48 p.m.
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Pulock is top 20 in offensive impact among defenseman over the last 4 years. It does not matter what he signed for - his analytics + overall impact show he was a top 15 Dman over the 3 seasons.


Your a homer

I get it

I mean in my eyes Pionk’s an elite #1 as well
Dec. 18, 2021 at 8:15 p.m.
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Your a homer

I get it

I mean in my eyes Pionk’s an elite #1 as well

The difference is pionks analytics show he’s a solid #2 D. I’d be a homer if I couldn’t prove Pulock is an elite #1. There isn’t a model out there that doesn’t have Pulock as a two way elite #1 D.

Pulock drives play offensively, when he’s on the ice the isles score goals at an elite rate, and he’s elite defensively. The numbers don’t lie
Dec. 18, 2021 at 8:36 p.m.
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The difference is pionks analytics show he’s a solid #2 D. I’d be a homer if I couldn’t prove Pulock is an elite #1. There isn’t a model out there that doesn’t have Pulock as a two way elite #1 D.

Pulock drives play offensively, when he’s on the ice the isles score goals at an elite rate, and he’s elite defensively. The numbers don’t lie


I don’t do numbers, I watch games

And when I see Pulock i see a player who really good defensively with a bit of offence flair and him and his partner compliment each other really well while benefiting from Trotz defence first system

So mb, I agree he’s really good but can’t see him as an elite #1.. maybe my eyesight is bad lol idk but I got a good track record with this stuff imosmile
Dec. 18, 2021 at 9:16 p.m.
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I don’t do numbers, I watch games

And when I see Pulock i see a player who really good defensively with a bit of offence flair and him and his partner compliment each other really well while benefiting from Trotz defence first system

So mb, I agree he’s really good but can’t see him as an elite #1.. maybe my eyesight is bad lol idk but I got a good track record with this stuff imosmile


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I don’t do numbers, I watch games

And when I see Pulock i see a player who really good defensively with a bit of offence flair and him and his partner compliment each other really well while benefiting from Trotz defence first system

So mb, I agree he’s really good but can’t see him as an elite #1.. maybe my eyesight is bad lol idk but I got a good track record with this stuff imosmile


So if the numbers say he’s an elite #1, we’re supposed to take your eye test as a better indicator of Pulocks impact? So you watch every isles game and focus solely on Pulock right?

Trotz system hasn’t changed the trajectory of any defenseman on the isles, they don’t benefit at all actually. The isles were good because Pelech and Pulock are elite , not because they benefited from Trotz system
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Dec. 20, 2021 at 12:09 p.m.
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So if the numbers say he’s an elite #1, we’re supposed to take your eye test as a better indicator of Pulocks impact? So you watch every isles game and focus solely on Pulock right?

Trotz system hasn’t changed the trajectory of any defenseman on the isles, they don’t benefit at all actually. The isles were good because Pelech and Pulock are elite , not because they benefited from Trotz system


Well mods blocked my comment go figure

So much for constructive conversation

So sum it up I basically said I don’t believe Pulock’s an elite #1, his contract is a steal but he’s still lacking to reach that tier.. more so on the offensive side, feel the same when looking at the numbers and watching him play

Everybody has their own thoughts those r just mine
Dec. 20, 2021 at 12:14 p.m.
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Well mods blocked my comment go figure

So much for constructive conversation

So sum it up I basically said I don’t believe Pulock’s an elite #1, his contract is a steal but he’s still lacking to reach that tier.. more so on the offensive side, feel the same when looking at the numbers and watching him play

Everybody has their own thoughts those r just mine


Pulock’s offensive impact is better than his defensive impact. That’s the best part of his game. The fact that he’s also great defensively is what makes him an elite #1. There are very few Defenseman in the NHL who can make an impact at both ends of the ice at a high level. The numbers say he is elite and most people who watch him play know he’s dominant in all 3 zones

 
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