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Team: 2021-22 New York Rangers
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 19, 2021
Published: Dec. 19, 2021
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Trying to gauge values.
Trades
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CHI
  1. Georgiev, Alexandar
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (NYR)
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NYR
  1. Chychrun, Jakob
  2. Kessel, Phil ($3,400,000 retained)
ARI
  1. Chytil, Filip
  2. Kravtsov, Vitali
  3. Lundkvist, Nils
  4. Nemeth, Patrik
  5. 2022 1st round pick (NYR)
  6. 2023 2nd round pick (NYR)
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2023
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2024
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23$81,500,000$76,915,594$0$7,100,000$4,584,406
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LW
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$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,650,000$3M)
RW
RFA - 1
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$11,642,857$11,642,857
LW
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UFA - 5
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
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RFA - 2
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C, LW
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UFA - 6
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LW, RW
UFA - 2
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RW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
C
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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RW
UFA - 1
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LD
RFA - 3
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RD
UFA - 1
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G
UFA - 4
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LD/RD
UFA - 4
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$350,000$350K)
LD
RFA - 2
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RD
RFA - 3
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UFA - 1
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LD
UFA - 2
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ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Dec. 20, 2021 at 7:24 p.m.
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Quoting: delneggs
And hopefully someday you will learn to spot progress when its playing out right in front of you. Doubtful, but you never know.


Ok, Im not gonna be a sarcastic arse in this...

I agree, theres progres.. however, you have to acknowledge that they struggle against playoff teams. The wins that they do have, Theres one against Florida when they were peaking and one against Toronto which they should have lost but Shesty stole. Theyve struggled against all the other games against top teams. Sure its nice theyre getting wins against teams they should be beating but there are some things to address. I agree its not an immediate fix, were a work in progress. However, rebuild/youth aside, we have a lot of vets that we have paid a lot of money to that we cant neglect because were progressing. We are in a unique position this year to be buyers and because of how cash strapped pretty much every other playoff team is, we kind of can take advantage of the market. As much as we are progressing, we have to show the veterans that we have that theyre not just here to be mentors. We didnt pay these guys to be placeholders and we have to do right by them as well. Giving up a couple picks at the deadline to make a run this year isnt going to derail everything weve built here. If anything the hope is the playoff push gets these kids hungry. Makes them froth at the mouth to experience what theyre experiencing year after year.
Dec. 20, 2021 at 7:50 p.m.
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Ok, Im not gonna be a sarcastic arse in this...

I agree, theres progres.. however, you have to acknowledge that they struggle against playoff teams. The wins that they do have, Theres one against Florida when they were peaking and one against Toronto which they should have lost but Shesty stole. Theyve struggled against all the other games against top teams. Sure its nice theyre getting wins against teams they should be beating but there are some things to address. I agree its not an immediate fix, were a work in progress. However, rebuild/youth aside, we have a lot of vets that we have paid a lot of money to that we cant neglect because were progressing. We are in a unique position this year to be buyers and because of how cash strapped pretty much every other playoff team is, we kind of can take advantage of the market. As much as we are progressing, we have to show the veterans that we have that theyre not just here to be mentors. We didnt pay these guys to be placeholders and we have to do right by them as well. Giving up a couple picks at the deadline to make a run this year isnt going to derail everything weve built here. If anything the hope is the playoff push gets these kids hungry. Makes them froth at the mouth to experience what theyre experiencing year after year.


Of course they struggle against the top teams, reason being they aren't one of them.....yet. Plus they are very young as a group and they are just starting to develop a new culture that is starting to take hold and is more noticeable as time goes on. IMO, they have made a ton of progress so far this year as a team but there is plenty more to do. But I think it needs to be done with patience and purpose, not with some rush to make trades in an attempt to make a deep run in the playoffs. They need to develop the kids, and continue to create the culture of working hard, paying hard, and learning how to win games, even when you're not playing your best. And I am seeing signs that this is happening. If they can make the playoffs in the division they are in, that is good progress, and if they can win a playoff series or two, that would be huge progress from where they have been. If I asked you before the season started if you would agree with that assessment, what would you have said? I bet you would have agreed. The only point I am trying to make in all this is I don't think they should give up young assets or high draft picks on rentals or players that don't fit what they are building. If a steal of a trade comes along, by all means take it and run.
Dec. 20, 2021 at 8:04 p.m.
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Of course they struggle against the top teams, reason being they aren't one of them.....yet. Plus they are very young as a group and they are just starting to develop a new culture that is starting to take hold and is more noticeable as time goes on. IMO, they have made a ton of progress so far this year as a team but there is plenty more to do. But I think it needs to be done with patience and purpose, not with some rush to make trades in an attempt to make a deep run in the playoffs. They need to develop the kids, and continue to create the culture of working hard, paying hard, and learning how to win games, even when you're not playing your best. And I am seeing signs that this is happening. If they can make the playoffs in the division they are in, that is good progress, and if they can win a playoff series or two, that would be huge progress from where they have been. If I asked you before the season started if you would agree with that assessment, what would you have said? I bet you would have agreed. The only point I am trying to make in all this is I don't think they should give up young assets or high draft picks on rentals or players that don't fit what they are building. If a steal of a trade comes along, by all means take it and run.


When you take into consideration the immense depth of our farm system, which is probably ranked top 3 in the league, dont you think its worth it to gamble a little in a situation that we may not be in for atleast 5 years? Is a late 1st round pick that pivotal to us? I agree we have to create a culture of winning, but sometimes you gotta give it a nudge, especially when youre this young and inexperienced. We have anywhere from 10m to 15m in house money to play with this year and only this year. If you want to show the kids what its like to win, this is the time. That why I said, its worth it to make that investment this year to take those kids on a ride of a lifetime and show them what its like to get knee deep in a playoff run. Show them what the Garden is like in May. Make those kids hungry. This why, next year when the team is put into their hands to take the lead they get that urge, that fire, that desire to get back there. That need to scratch that itch.
Dec. 20, 2021 at 8:19 p.m.
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When you take into consideration the immense depth of our farm system, which is probably ranked top 3 in the league, dont you think its worth it to gamble a little in a situation that we may not be in for atleast 5 years? Is a late 1st round pick that pivotal to us? I agree we have to create a culture of winning, but sometimes you gotta give it a nudge, especially when youre this young and inexperienced. We have anywhere from 10m to 15m in house money to play with this year and only this year. If you want to show the kids what its like to win, this is the time. That why I said, its worth it to make that investment this year to take those kids on a ride of a lifetime and show them what its like to get knee deep in a playoff run. Show them what the Garden is like in May. Make those kids hungry. This why, next year when the team is put into their hands to take the lead they get that urge, that fire, that desire to get back there. That need to scratch that itch.


I think 1st round picks are way too valuable to give up on rentals. The chance to get a decent prospect is so much higher in the first round, even if its mid to late round. I'm not opposed to adding to the team, even a rental, as long as its a steal. Right now, as they keep grabbing points, all the kids are learning, even a kid like Dryden Hunt who I really like, but he is not a top 6 player. But if we trade for a rental, a kid like him all of a sudden see's less ice time, and maybe none at all. That's not worth it to me. Right now they are on a pace to make the playoffs so I don't see any urgency to add a player. If someone wants to give us a great deal at the trade deadline, fine, but its got to be a steal.
Dec. 20, 2021 at 8:43 p.m.
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I think 1st round picks are way too valuable to give up on rentals. The chance to get a decent prospect is so much higher in the first round, even if its mid to late round. I'm not opposed to adding to the team, even a rental, as long as its a steal. Right now, as they keep grabbing points, all the kids are learning, even a kid like Dryden Hunt who I really like, but he is not a top 6 player. But if we trade for a rental, a kid like him all of a sudden see's less ice time, and maybe none at all. That's not worth it to me. Right now they are on a pace to make the playoffs so I don't see any urgency to add a player. If someone wants to give us a great deal at the trade deadline, fine, but its got to be a steal.


The problem with someone like Dryden Hunt is he gets minutes in a position he shouldnt be. As that time on ice accumulates, the flaws get more and more visible and the need for a proper top 6 RW becomes necessary. For me the pipedream is that when the KHL season ends, Kravtsov gets a bit more mature and rejoins the team. Hes a talented kid, hes the reason why we traded Buchnevich in the first place. There are still many people apologizing for Chytil but Ive long been against him as a center and I think its hurting LAF and Gauthier having him there.

We all want the best for this team. Sometimes when youre this deep with prospects, you need to consolidate. Cant ice them all.
Dec. 20, 2021 at 8:59 p.m.
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The problem with someone like Dryden Hunt is he gets minutes in a position he shouldnt be. As that time on ice accumulates, the flaws get more and more visible and the need for a proper top 6 RW becomes necessary. For me the pipedream is that when the KHL season ends, Kravtsov gets a bit more mature and rejoins the team. Hes a talented kid, hes the reason why we traded Buchnevich in the first place. There are still many people apologizing for Chytil but Ive long been against him as a center and I think its hurting LAF and Gauthier having him there.

We all want the best for this team. Sometimes when youre this deep with prospects, you need to consolidate. Cant ice them all.


I agree Hunt is not a top 6 guy, but I love his heart and his game. He is a great 3rd or 4th line grinder and he is cheap. He is playing top 6 because of the hole there, but IMO they would be better off throwing Chytil in there and letting Goodrow center the 3rd line. At some point, either Laffy or Kreider will have to move to RW because Laffy playing on the 3rd line is not a long term situation. He needs to start getting top 6 minutes and PP time. Ideally, If Laffy could adapt to RW, that would be a fix, because he's not going to replace either Kreider or Panarin on LW any time soon.
Dec. 20, 2021 at 9:09 p.m.
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I agree Hunt is not a top 6 guy, but I love his heart and his game. He is a great 3rd or 4th line grinder and he is cheap. He is playing top 6 because of the hole there, but IMO they would be better off throwing Chytil in there and letting Goodrow center the 3rd line. At some point, either Laffy or Kreider will have to move to RW because Laffy playing on the 3rd line is not a long term situation. He needs to start getting top 6 minutes and PP time. Ideally, If Laffy could adapt to RW, that would be a fix, because he's not going to replace either Kreider or Panarin on LW any time soon.


Im not sure if you remember, but at the beginning of the year the experiment was LAF, Zib Kreider on the top line. They tried LAF and Kreider on the RW and neither one was able to adapt well to it. You gotta remember when you play your whole life on the LW, being asked to switch to RW is a big change. First off your stick. Youre now taking passes on your backhand rather than forehand. Essentially everything that you learned to do, you have to do it backwards now. Its not easy, especially at an NHL level.

The same goes for Chytil, Im pretty sure hes a natural LW however we cant accomodate that, we have way too many. This past game, Chytil was switched to LW on the 3rd line, LAF moved up to 2nd, Goodrow 3C. Chytil had a horrible game. Unfortunately the kid has tunnel vision. Hes terrible at reading plays and feeling his teammates around him. He takes low quality shots just for the sake of taking them. Ive seen it in Chytil for a while, some are just now seeing what Ive seen. We need to move on.

Goodrow could be a great 3C if the 3rd line was a checking line, however if youre playing LAF and Gauthier as the wingers on the 3rd line, its not a checking line. I think the proper move, if they want to use Goodrow as the 3C is to put Kreider and Hunt there. Move LAF and Gauthier with Zib at even strength.

LAF, Zib, Gauthier
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Kreider, Goodrow, Hunt

Id like to see how that works for a game or 2.
Dec. 20, 2021 at 10:53 p.m.
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Im not sure if you remember, but at the beginning of the year the experiment was LAF, Zib Kreider on the top line. They tried LAF and Kreider on the RW and neither one was able to adapt well to it. You gotta remember when you play your whole life on the LW, being asked to switch to RW is a big change. First off your stick. Youre now taking passes on your backhand rather than forehand. Essentially everything that you learned to do, you have to do it backwards now. Its not easy, especially at an NHL level.

The same goes for Chytil, Im pretty sure hes a natural LW however we cant accomodate that, we have way too many. This past game, Chytil was switched to LW on the 3rd line, LAF moved up to 2nd, Goodrow 3C. Chytil had a horrible game. Unfortunately the kid has tunnel vision. Hes terrible at reading plays and feeling his teammates around him. He takes low quality shots just for the sake of taking them. Ive seen it in Chytil for a while, some are just now seeing what Ive seen. We need to move on.

Goodrow could be a great 3C if the 3rd line was a checking line, however if youre playing LAF and Gauthier as the wingers on the 3rd line, its not a checking line. I think the proper move, if they want to use Goodrow as the 3C is to put Kreider and Hunt there. Move LAF and Gauthier with Zib at even strength.

LAF, Zib, Gauthier
Panarin, Strome, Kakko
Kreider, Goodrow, Hunt

Id like to see how that works for a game or 2.


I do remember they tried both at RW for a game or two in preseason, which isn't a serious attempt to switch either. The only reason I suggest it at all is Laffy needs to be top 6 as soon as possible because its hurting his development some being used as he is. I have no issues with the lines you suggest except it may impact Kreider's goal production but it is worth a try. If Kreids still gets 18 mins a game or so including PP time, it may work. I like it a lot better than giving up 1st round picks for a rental at RW. Gauthier looks like he is finally getting it, so maybe he can grow into a top 6 RW. Definately worth a shot.
Dec. 20, 2021 at 11:01 p.m.
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I do remember they tried both at RW for a game or two in preseason, which isn't a serious attempt to switch either. The only reason I suggest it at all is Laffy needs to be top 6 as soon as possible because its hurting his development some being used as he is. I have no issues with the lines you suggest except it may impact Kreider's goal production but it is worth a try. If Kreids still gets 18 mins a game or so including PP time, it may work. I like it a lot better than giving up 1st round picks for a rental at RW. Gauthier looks like he is finally getting it, so maybe he can grow into a top 6 RW. Definately worth a shot.


Well, most of Kreider's production comes on the PP, and that wouldnt change. The last few weeks, at even strength, that top line with Kreider and Zib and struggled to produce. Kreider isnt a playmaker or facilitator, so he cant help Zib. Hunt, Goodrow neither are either. Zib has had a down year on scoring and it can be attributed to that. I think if we moved LAF and Gauthier and their connection, because they certainly have a connection, with Zib they can all benefit from it.

I do think we still need a replacement for Nemeth, we should promote Schneider to the NHL and demote Nils to the AHL.
Dec. 20, 2021 at 11:35 p.m.
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Well, most of Kreider's production comes on the PP, and that wouldnt change. The last few weeks, at even strength, that top line with Kreider and Zib and struggled to produce. Kreider isnt a playmaker or facilitator, so he cant help Zib. Hunt, Goodrow neither are either. Zib has had a down year on scoring and it can be attributed to that. I think if we moved LAF and Gauthier and their connection, because they certainly have a connection, with Zib they can all benefit from it.

I do think we still need a replacement for Nemeth, we should promote Schneider to the NHL and demote Nils to the AHL.


I like how Gauthier has been progressing so have no problem with giving him a shot on Mika's line. Laffy too, its worth a try.

Schneider will be with the club pretty soon I think. I can see Nils being traded as part of a package to get a top 6 forward. Having Fox on the right side and running the top PP reduces the need for Nils and I would much rather have a big, physical defender anyway. Nemeth is struggling for sure but think they will give him more time to adjust to a new team and see if he turns it around. If not, Zac Jones is ready to go I think. It's a good problem having lots of in-house options with good young players. Another reason I like holding 1st round picks. Got to keep Hartford stocked with talent than can come up when needed and also not break the bank cost wise.
Dec. 20, 2021 at 11:40 p.m.
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I like how Gauthier has been progressing so have no problem with giving him a shot on Mika's line. Laffy too, its worth a try.

Schneider will be with the club pretty soon I think. I can see Nils being traded as part of a package to get a top 6 forward. Having Fox on the right side and running the top PP reduces the need for Nils and I would much rather have a big, physical defender anyway. Nemeth is struggling for sure but think they will give him more time to adjust to a new team and see if he turns it around. If not, Zac Jones is ready to go I think. It's a good problem having lots of in-house options with good young players. Another reason I like holding 1st round picks. Got to keep Hartford stocked with talent than can come up when needed and also not break the bank cost wise.


If they want to keep this physical identity, I cant imagine Zac being in the long term plans.

Although Im pretty set on going the Pavelski route, I wouldnt be completely mad if they didnt. Because of Gallant, I could see the team making a trade with Vegas for Smith and McNabb which fills that RW and LD depth need. I also cant imagine the cost being that great because Vegas will desperately need to move salary to activate Eichel from LTIR. I think its a good move to make in January, long before we reach the deadline as an inexpensive gauge.
Dec. 21, 2021 at 1:17 a.m.
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If they want to keep this physical identity, I cant imagine Zac being in the long term plans.

Although Im pretty set on going the Pavelski route, I wouldnt be completely mad if they didnt. Because of Gallant, I could see the team making a trade with Vegas for Smith and McNabb which fills that RW and LD depth need. I also cant imagine the cost being that great because Vegas will desperately need to move salary to activate Eichel from LTIR. I think its a good move to make in January, long before we reach the deadline as an inexpensive gauge.


If you think of the D as pairs, Jones makes sense. Lindgren/Fox, with Lindgren being more physical, stay at home. Trouba/Miller, with Trouba being physical plus offensive skill and Miller being less physical but highly skilled, and Jones/Schneider, similar to the Trouba/Miller pair. Each set has some physicality, stay at home defender and a more offensive minded player.

I love Pavelski, seen him play at the Shark Tank for years, and it was the biggest mistake the Sharks have made in a long time letting him walk so they could sign Karlsson, but at his age, I would rather see them try to get Reilly Smith and sign him to a new deal.
 
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