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Created by: Black61
Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 20, 2021
Published: Dec. 20, 2021
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As we saw last offseason Arizona did try to take on contracts that paid lees than their cap hit to save money.

Well the habs have a very nice piece for them in Shea Weber. He still has 31.4 million in cap hit and will likely never cost them a actual dollar as the insurance would cover his salary. Putting him on IR immediately means they dont have to actually spend that money. Even if they somehow have to pay the salary he is only owed 6 million total.

This is doubly important because especially next year if Chycrun is gone by then they could still be roughly 35 million from the floor. That is a lot of cap space to cvoer in a situation that good players probably dont want to go to. This is where the rest of the trade comes in.

Byron- retained at 50 percent brings his cap hit down to 1.7 million. Byron is a competent NHLer and gives them a asset to move next deadline.

Hoffman and Armia- both solid nhlers who have decent enough cap hits on not aggressively long deals that can help them reach the floor.

It is important to note that over the life of all 4 players deals the cap hit is 52.3 million while salary expenditure is 23 million.

Habs get cap flexibility and Arizona gets cap that cost less than 50 cents on the dollar so they spend less actual money
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2023
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16$81,500,000$60,746,249$1,132,500$850,000$20,753,751
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Dec. 20, 2021 at 10:45 a.m.
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Or Arizona could do what they did last offseason and take on bad contracts along with picks. I would not call Hoffman a solid NHLer at this point in his career. He’s one of the worst 5v5 forwards in the league over the last few years.
Dec. 20, 2021 at 10:53 a.m.
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Weber to Arizona could work and Byron too as he is a one year player that Arizona could flip again in 2023. But not sure if Zona takes the other two … and they’d probably want a pick added …
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Dec. 20, 2021 at 10:57 a.m.
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Or Arizona could do what they did last offseason and take on bad contracts along with picks. I would not call Hoffman a solid NHLer at this point in his career. He’s one of the worst 5v5 forwards in the league over the last few years.


With this deal they would still need to spend well over 20 million dollars to just get to the floor if they trade JC between now and then. They also might want to try and trade Ghost now that they have rehabbed his image a bit.

The weber contract to them is a massive asset. Its cap they dont have to spend actual dollars on.

Even with all the trades they made (Ladd OEL stralman Ghost) that was only about 20 million. Trying to get value on 35 million will be more difficult.

They need cap hit next year. We saw last offseason nobody wants to sign there. Jaskin is the only player in the last 2 offseason they have signed to 3+ million aav deal. Nobody who is worth 5 million (or even in that ballpark) will sign there.
Dec. 20, 2021 at 10:58 a.m.
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I can understand the Weber and Byron being added to Arizona. But Hoffman and Armia....8.9m can spent a whole lot better. They stay with the Habs.
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Dec. 20, 2021 at 11:02 a.m.
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Weber to Arizona could work and Byron too as he is a one year player that Arizona could flip again in 2023. But not sure if Zona takes the other two … and they’d probably want a pick added …


The weber contract is in lieu of a pick. To arizona it is a major asset. its 31.4 million in cap they dont have to spend a penny on. For a team cutting costs everywhere that is huge.

Byron isnt a cap dump. At 1.7 million he is a solid value asset they can move at the deadline.

Arizona is going to need a bunch of cap to even reach the floor after this trade and they have struggled to sign a 3 million dollar player the last 2 offseasons (they gave Jaskin 3+ million and he is barely a nhler)
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Dec. 20, 2021 at 11:09 a.m.
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I can understand the Weber and Byron being added to Arizona. But Hoffman and Armia....8.9m can spent a whole lot better. They stay with the Habs.


If they want the Weber contract (which they would its cap they dont need to spend money on) thats the price.

And I DONT think the coyotes can spend their money better than Armia and Hoffman. NOBODY wants to play there. The only 3 million aav contract they have given out since kuemper in 2019 was jaskin who as a fringe nhler they still had to pay over 3 million bucks to sign.

People are vastly underestimating how big of a task getting to the floor will be this offseason for them. None of the RFAs are in line for major pay raises so the bulk will need to come externally.
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Dec. 20, 2021 at 3:22 p.m.
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If they want the Weber contract (which they would its cap they dont need to spend money on) thats the price.

And I DONT think the coyotes can spend their money better than Armia and Hoffman. NOBODY wants to play there. The only 3 million aav contract they have given out since kuemper in 2019 was jaskin who as a fringe nhler they still had to pay over 3 million bucks to sign.

People are vastly underestimating how big of a task getting to the floor will be this offseason for them. None of the RFAs are in line for major pay raises so the bulk will need to come externally.


IMO getting to the cap floor won't be a problem at all. Virtually all teams have cap issues. Players that want to get paid in their likely their last contract. Heck Isles Pollock and Leafs Reilly signed 6.5m and 7.5m extensions when they could have gone to UFA. So 8.9m could certainly get you a good/great UFA.
Habs would probably be happy to get Weber off their books. Players on LTIR can affect teams cap due to the how/when bonuses are paid. No reason for Arizona to pay a premium to obtaining Weber. Plus there are other teams that may want to "give" Arizona players because these teams have own cap issues. Just don't think the Habs can hit a home run and give over 20m of their cap hit to Coyotes.
Dec. 20, 2021 at 4:09 p.m.
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IMO getting to the cap floor won't be a problem at all. Virtually all teams have cap issues. Players that want to get paid in their likely their last contract. Heck Isles Pollock and Leafs Reilly signed 6.5m and 7.5m extensions when they could have gone to UFA. So 8.9m could certainly get you a good/great UFA.
Habs would probably be happy to get Weber off their books. Players on LTIR can affect teams cap due to the how/when bonuses are paid. No reason for Arizona to pay a premium to obtaining Weber. Plus there are other teams that may want to "give" Arizona players because these teams have own cap issues. Just don't think the Habs can hit a home run and give over 20m of their cap hit to Coyotes.


Shea has no bonuses left on his deal. The deal going forward largely doesnt impact them.

Your are VASTLY overestimating the Coyotes ability to sign free agents. Why would any player of note willfully go to a team that HAD to announce they paid part of their rental arrears because their finances are such a dumpsterfire. A team that has missed signing bonuses and even simple things like per diems over the last few years. The last deal they signed with a UFA that was even 4 million was 2016 (goligoski). Ribeiro is the only other one in the teams history. 2 midrange contracts in 15 years but suddenly they are going to sign 3-4 of them in 1 year?

And they arent paying a premium. Byron at 1.7 million is a asset they can flip next deadline, Armia is still young enough that he can be well worth his deal and Hoffman can still be more usefull than most of the guys they picked up last offseason. The team also needs some continuation on the roster. You cant develop guys with a revolving door every year of 10-15 roster players.
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Dec. 20, 2021 at 5:06 p.m.
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IMO getting to the cap floor won't be a problem at all. Plus there are other teams that may want to "give" Arizona players because these teams have own cap issues. Just don't think the Habs can hit a home run and give over 20m of their cap hit to Coyotes.


I largely agree with you, although some of the worst contracts out there that different teams would be looking to dump if they could have NTCs attached to them, and most players would refuse an Arizona trade (unless they've really made peace with themsevles to mail in their last few years of playing, like Andrew Ladd and Louie Eriksson must have done). So its not a slam dunk for Arizona to reach the cap floor either. I'm sure they will acquire some more picks at the draft/offseason in exchange for picks but how many do they really need? Even if they hit homeruns on all their draft picks over the next couple years, they'll still be trading those young players away before they really accomplish anything in Phoenix to start their rebuild all over again
 
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