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Rumoured asking price for Chychrun

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Team: 2021-22 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 22, 2021
Published: Dec. 22, 2021
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22$81,500,000$80,087,801$669,339$850,000$1,412,199
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
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$850,000$850,000
LW, C, RW
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
C, RW
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$750,000$750,000
RW, C
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$750,000$750,000
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
RW
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$4,600,000$4,600,000
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
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$750,000$750,000
G
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$5,600,000$5,600,000
LD
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
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$5,538,462$5,538,462
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
RD
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LD
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$725,000$725,000
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$2,200,000$2,200,000
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
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$785,000$785,000
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Dec. 22, 2021 at 12:27 p.m.
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I guess that's why Edmonton's out of the conversation. AZ isn't being reasonable.
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Dec. 22, 2021 at 12:31 p.m.
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Basically, four 1st round picks. Can't see that happening, at least not with the Oilers.
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Dec. 22, 2021 at 12:33 p.m.
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I guess that's why Edmonton's out of the conversation. AZ isn't being reasonable.


Yes they are . They really shouldn't be trading him unless it is a God I can't pass this up.
Dec. 22, 2021 at 1:04 p.m.
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Yes they are . They really shouldn't be trading him unless it is a God I can't pass this up.

It's a gross overpay. Chychrun is good, but he's not a top-10 guy or anything. There aren't many top-10 guys that would fetch a return like that anyhow.
Dec. 22, 2021 at 1:12 p.m.
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It's a gross overpay. Chychrun is good, but he's not a top-10 guy or anything. There aren't many top-10 guys that would fetch a return like that anyhow.


I disagree that young that good that cheap that long with a lot of term. I believe they should set the bar high and be happy if no one bites
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Dec. 22, 2021 at 1:19 p.m.
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I disagree that young that good that cheap that long with a lot of term. I believe they should set the bar high and be happy if no one bites

You should trade Hedman + for him then. Put your money where your mouth is.
Dec. 22, 2021 at 1:40 p.m.
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You should trade Hedman + for him then. Put your money where your mouth is.


I don't think AZ should trade him
Dec. 22, 2021 at 1:48 p.m.
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If the 2023 first was a second instead, maybe it would work, but idk
Dec. 22, 2021 at 1:56 p.m.
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I disagree that young that good that cheap that long with a lot of term. I believe they should set the bar high and be happy if no one bites


I wouldn't consider 3+ years a "lot" of term. It's decent, but still carries the risk of losing him when he is at his highest level of performance as a UFA.
I agree they shouldn't trade him, but the fact they are considering it now, concerns me. Are they selling high or are they content with a perpetual rebuild?
Dec. 22, 2021 at 1:59 p.m.
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I wouldn't consider 3+ years a "lot" of term. It's decent, but still carries the risk of losing him when he is at his highest level of performance as a UFA.
I agree they shouldn't trade him, but the fact they are considering it now, concerns me. Are they selling high or are they content with a perpetual rebuild?


If the above is the get selling high Imo. If they don't get close to that say thanks anyway
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Dec. 22, 2021 at 2:06 p.m.
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What’s the source to this rumor?
Dec. 22, 2021 at 2:35 p.m.
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Quoting: TraderJoes
It's a gross overpay. Chychrun is good, but he's not a top-10 guy or anything. There aren't many top-10 guys that would fetch a return like that anyhow.


The expected package is very close to Eichel. He is a 9M caliber Dman, a true #1 guy so any team looking for a proper #1 or a cap friendly boost to make him a #2 then you’ll have to pay that type of package. With this add your 1sts are definitely going to be really late picks so they can justify the ask of 1sts over 2nds. Yama isn’t doing as well as expected and there’s no guarantee with prospects and picks. With Chych you know what you’re getting. Maybe the end package is those players, 1st and 2nd but they will be asking higher to start. There’s a value to cap space which is why people overpay for retention.
Dec. 22, 2021 at 2:49 p.m.
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Basically, four 1st round picks. Can't see that happening, at least not with the Oilers.


is yamamoto really a first round caliber asset right now? he’s been really struggling this season. i don’t follow the oilers a ton so idk if there are extenuating circumstances or whatever but he’s just got seven points in 29 games playing top six minutes with draisaitl and nuge, seems like he should be producing more.
Dec. 22, 2021 at 3:01 p.m.
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is yamamoto really a first round caliber asset right now? he’s been really struggling this season. i don’t follow the oilers a ton so idk if there are extenuating circumstances or whatever but he’s just got seven points in 29 games playing top six minutes with draisaitl and nuge, seems like he should be producing more.


Yamamoto is worth a late first rounder still. You typically get blue collar useful players such as yamamoto with like a 28th overall pick.
Dec. 22, 2021 at 3:09 p.m.
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Without a doubt the next 4 years are better with chychrun in it but edmonton will never resign him and then they are screwed.

Broberg could easily be a chychrun level player in 2 years at which point they sign him to a 5.5 x 6 contract which they probably can afford. I think I would rather keep Broberg and blow a couple first rounders on deadline dman adds for the next two years if that is the price.
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Dec. 22, 2021 at 3:32 p.m.
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The expected package is very close to Eichel. He is a 9M caliber Dman, a true #1 guy so any team looking for a proper #1 or a cap friendly boost to make him a #2 then you’ll have to pay that type of package. With this add your 1sts are definitely going to be really late picks so they can justify the ask of 1sts over 2nds. Yama isn’t doing as well as expected and there’s no guarantee with prospects and picks. With Chych you know what you’re getting. Maybe the end package is those players, 1st and 2nd but they will be asking higher to start. There’s a value to cap space which is why people overpay for retention.


Your mistake is assuming that Chuchrun is a #1 or #2 guy. Even MSM admits that Chuchrun will likely be on the 2nd pairing wherever he ends up, so I'm not sure where you got this #1 defenseman thing from.

Chychrun played 1st pairing comp for the first time in his career in 2020-21, when they were in the weakest division in the league facing very few elite forwards. He did well, but the competition wasn't great most nights. This year he's again 1st pairing but against the whole league, and he's getting pounded. And this is with a coach who runs his top-4 pretty evenly, too.

There's absolutely no proof he's a #1 guy or even a 1st pairing guy, let alone an Eichel-caliber player. That's just a ridiculous statement.
Dec. 22, 2021 at 3:50 p.m.
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Your mistake is assuming that Chuchrun is a #1 or #2 guy. Even MSM admits that Chuchrun will likely be on the 2nd pairing wherever he ends up, so I'm not sure where you got this #1 defenseman thing from.

Chychrun played 1st pairing comp for the first time in his career in 2020-21, when they were in the weakest division in the league facing very few elite forwards. He did well, but the competition wasn't great most nights. This year he's again 1st pairing but against the whole league, and he's getting pounded. And this is with a coach who runs his top-4 pretty evenly, too.

There's absolutely no proof he's a #1 guy or even a 1st pairing guy, let alone an Eichel-caliber player. That's just a ridiculous statement.



No one said he is the same caliber as healthy Eichel. The Eichel package was a discounted package because there was only a few buyers and the guy needed a serious surgery. There are 32 teams that could add a good D man at 4.6Mx4. That drives the price of him up. Also, ARZ has been a joke of a team the last few years in all honesty so all of those players would have more success elsewhere. While he might be on the 2nd pairing it doesn’t mean he isn’t the 2nd best D man on the team, you realize that right? Muzzin/Trouba/etc.. few examples of that
Dec. 22, 2021 at 4:22 p.m.
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is yamamoto really a first round caliber asset right now? he’s been really struggling this season. i don’t follow the oilers a ton so idk if there are extenuating circumstances or whatever but he’s just got seven points in 29 games playing top six minutes with draisaitl and nuge, seems like he should be producing more.


Yamamoto - 2017 22nd OA - has top six potential, but likely a very good 3RW and penalty killer.
Broberg - 2019 8th OA - top four, maybe top two potential, looks NHL ready for next year.
2022 1st round pick - likely between 23 and 32 OA
2023 1st round pick - likely between 26 and 32 OA

Chychrun would be a great addition for the Oilers, but that ask is simply too much for a team that has no fewer that three very high-end LD prospects looking NHL ready and that needs to upgrade it's bottom six forwards and goaltending.
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Dec. 23, 2021 at 8:52 a.m.
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No one said he is the same caliber as healthy Eichel. The Eichel package was a discounted package because there was only a few buyers and the guy needed a serious surgery. There are 32 teams that could add a good D man at 4.6Mx4. That drives the price of him up. Also, ARZ has been a joke of a team the last few years in all honesty so all of those players would have more success elsewhere. While he might be on the 2nd pairing it doesn’t mean he isn’t the 2nd best D man on the team, you realize that right? Muzzin/Trouba/etc.. few examples of that


Muzzin and Trouba aren't first pairing guys either.
Dec. 23, 2021 at 11:01 a.m.
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Muzzin and Trouba aren't first pairing guys either.


They are the 2nd best D men on both teams 🤦🏻‍♂️ If Reilly and Fox weren’t there both of those guys would be on the top pair. Just because Panarin plays on the 2nd line does that mean he isn’t a 1st line quality player? 🤨
 
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