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Sibilance

Created by: Grievous
Team: 2021-22 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 30, 2021
Published: Dec. 30, 2021
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Changed some of the transactions from the original proposals.
Trades
1.
EDM
  1. DeBrusk, Jake ($750,000 retained)
  2. Senyshyn, Zach
BOS
  1. Kassian, Zack
  2. Perlini, Brendan
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (EDM)
2.
EDM
  1. Fleury, Marc-André ($3,000,000 retained)
  2. Kubalik, Dominik ($1,850,000 retained)
  3. 2022 6th round pick (CBJ)
CHI
  1. Koskinen, Mikko
  2. Yamamoto, Kailer
  3. 2023 1st round pick (EDM)
3.
EDM
  1. Miller, Colin ($1,900,000 retained)
  2. 2022 7th round pick (BUF)
  3. 2023 4th round pick (BUF)
4.
EDM
  1. Boyd, Travis
  2. Crouse, Lawson
  3. Kessel, Phil ($3,400,000 retained)
  4. 2023 6th round pick (ARI)
ARI
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$77,213,134$669,339$850,000$4,286,866

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$2,925,000$2,925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$12,500,000$12,500,000
C
UFA - 5
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$1,175,000$1,175,000
RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$1,850,000$1,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$8,500,000$8,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$3,400,000$3,400,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$5,125,000$5,125,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$1,250,000$1,250,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$750,000$750,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$1,533,333$1,533,333
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$750,000$750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$5,600,000$5,600,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$4,167,000$4,167,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$1,975,000$1,975,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$2,200,000$2,200,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$5,538,462$5,538,462
LD
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$3,250,000$3,250,000
RD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$500,000$500,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$850,000$850,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$1,250,000$1,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$785,000$785,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$925,000$925,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
Taxi Squad
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$725,000$725,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0)
RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LW, RW
UFA - 1

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Dec. 30, 2021 at 2:23 p.m.
#26
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Quoting: TraderJoes
I would have thought Crouse has a much higher ceiling than Foegele, no?


Crouse has that size-speed combo that blinds GMs, he was drafted much too high. He is not a scorer, like Foegele, their ceilings are 3LW, perhaps 2LW on a weaker team.

Foegele has shown flashes at 1LW, but like Crouse, he has stone hands…
Dec. 30, 2021 at 2:37 p.m.
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Quoting: smokewiseganja
Underpricing? Fluery has been awful, not worth koski and a first with retention


So you don’t consider a .913 save percentage good
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Dec. 30, 2021 at 4:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Grievous
Your passion for your team is awesome to see, but your biases are blinding.

1. Moore hasn’t been a regular NHLer for 3 seasons, this doesn’t make him remotely comparable to Kassian, who has had a lot of EV success as the RW for both of the top NHL scorers over the past 3 seasons.

2. You can say that Kassian has had the advantage of TOI with McDavid and Draisaitl and this is true, but to his credit he has had better results than Puljujarvi, Hyman and Yamamoto who are all current top 6 wingers. That gives one a hint as to his value; it is simple: play him with skill and he will score.

3. What does DeBrusk do? He is only being given playing time to attempt to increase his trade value. He scored 27 goals in 2018-19. He has 10 over the past 2 seasons and 29 in the past 3. He does not have the value of a 30 goal scorer, even though you think so. This is the same argument I had with DRW fans regarding Anthanasiou, who once scored 30. Holland overpaid for him when he was terrible and in the end it cost him 2 second rounders for 1 goal (off his hip in his first game) in 13 games. To compare with DeBrusk, AA has 24 goals over his last 3 seasons, after potting 30 in 2018-19. But AA didn’t make any trade demands….

4. This is a fair trade of 3rd line wingers who can move up if needed. DeBrusk needs a change of scenery and there are tons of Oiler fans who don’t want anything to do with him, especially after the AA disaster.

Bottom line is, Kassian probably has more value than JD right now…


1. Moore has been hurt continually and is still an nhl caliber dman, bruins just dont want play him every night. Also slight bit of exaggeration... guess that didnt come through. Regardless kassian is 30 yo with 2 years of 3+m left on his deal and hes averaging out as a 3rd line winger. WHILE PLAYING NEXT TO 2 100 point players.

2. 2019-2020 was kassians best year in the nhl with a .57 ppg average. decent. this year hes under .5ppg and hes never really been close to that number in any other year ide call that an anomoly or just pure luck. Puljujarvi is having an infintely better year and hes 7 years younger. Kid had to figure out how to play in the nhl. Looks pretty decent this year no?

3. Debrusk is 25... he had one bad year which was last year, bruins played him primarily on his off wing to try and get full lines going and thats also factoring in his linemates were nick ritchie, charlie coyle, and a bunch of scrubs, you plug him with an offensive system and hes going to be a 20+ goal scorer and a 40 point player every year, he can put the puck in the net... he has 8 in 25 this year. which is good for 6th among forwards, 7th if you are going ppg. again look at his linemates, erik haula, nick foligno (off hand) tomas nosek, bruins havent had ANY consistency around debrusk since 18-19 when he scored 27 goals.

4. Kassian is a 3rd liner playing with quality players, warren foegele is an upgrade to anyone debrusk is playing with right now on the bruins. Kassian has as much time with mcdavid as he does derek ryan or ryan mcleod.

Youre comping a 30 year old thats on a not great contract that is having his 2nd best year of his career to a 25 year old that wants out of the situation hes in because lets be honest, the bruins are a 1 and a half line team like they always are and play defensive hockey. after you get passed 2nd line its debrusk and a bunch of 4th liners.
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Dec. 30, 2021 at 4:23 p.m.
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Imo, Buffalo says…. maybe?

Depends on whether or not they’d see Barrie as a good partner for Dahlin or Power over the next couple years

Bc if not, then Barrie would essentially be useless to us
But if our MGMT did see him as a good potential partner for either, then the deal makes sense

Coin toss imo
Dec. 30, 2021 at 4:35 p.m.
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Nothing of interest there for boston. No thanks.
Dec. 30, 2021 at 4:43 p.m.
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Quoting: Grievous
Your passion for your team is awesome to see, but your biases are blinding.

1. Moore hasn’t been a regular NHLer for 3 seasons, this doesn’t make him remotely comparable to Kassian, who has had a lot of EV success as the RW for both of the top NHL scorers over the past 3 seasons.

2. You can say that Kassian has had the advantage of TOI with McDavid and Draisaitl and this is true, but to his credit he has had better results than Puljujarvi, Hyman and Yamamoto who are all current top 6 wingers. That gives one a hint as to his value; it is simple: play him with skill and he will score.

3. What does DeBrusk do? He is only being given playing time to attempt to increase his trade value. He scored 27 goals in 2018-19. He has 10 over the past 2 seasons and 29 in the past 3. He does not have the value of a 30 goal scorer, even though you think so. This is the same argument I had with DRW fans regarding Anthanasiou, who once scored 30. Holland overpaid for him when he was terrible and in the end it cost him 2 second rounders for 1 goal (off his hip in his first game) in 13 games. To compare with DeBrusk, AA has 24 goals over his last 3 seasons, after potting 30 in 2018-19. But AA didn’t make any trade demands….

4. This is a fair trade of 3rd line wingers who can move up if needed. DeBrusk needs a change of scenery and there are tons of Oiler fans who don’t want anything to do with him, especially after the AA disaster.

Bottom line is, Kassian probably has more value than JD right now…


15 teams called on Debrusk. Nobody wants Kassian. 🤷🏻‍♂️

The fact that he asked for a trade does not reduce his trade value, it actually increased it. Lol.
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Dec. 30, 2021 at 4:57 p.m.
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15 teams called on Debrusk. Nobody wants Kassian. 🤷🏻‍♂️

The fact that he asked for a trade does not reduce his trade value, it actually increased it. Lol.


like i said in my reply one guys a career 3rd liner whose best year was 34 points playing with mcdavid and draisaitl. the other guy is playing with nick ritchie and charlie coyle or erik haula and nick foligno. one of those groups is not like the others lmao. Put debrusk on a 2nd line with a real playmaker in an offensive minded system and he will thrive. i could see him being a 25-25 or a 30-20 type player in that system. similar to reilly smith with vegas.
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Dec. 30, 2021 at 5:06 p.m.
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like i said in my reply one guys a career 3rd liner whose best year was 34 points playing with mcdavid and draisaitl. the other guy is playing with nick ritchie and charlie coyle or erik haula and nick foligno. one of those groups is not like the others lmao. Put debrusk on a 2nd line with a real playmaker in an offensive minded system and he will thrive. i could see him being a 25-25 or a 30-20 type player in that system. similar to reilly smith with vegas.


The NHL is a league where results are valued.

DeBrusk is a 3rd line winger with (take this with a grain of salt) an attitude problem and the coach has been trying to beat it out of him by not putting him in a position to succeed. He isn’t scoring, so his value is very low.

So:

1. How do you value him

And

2. How is DeBrusk’s situation any different than that Anthanasiou or Kubalik, as I have laid out?
Dec. 30, 2021 at 5:19 p.m.
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15 teams called on Debrusk. Nobody wants Kassian. 🤷🏻‍♂️

The fact that he asked for a trade does not reduce his trade value, it actually increased it. Lol.


How do you know who called about whom? Do you have phone taps on both the Oilers and Bruins GM’s phones?

Much of this info from media types is as accurate as the weather. I spent a couple years working as a Players Agent, hated the politics, so I stick to scouting now.

FYI, Info will get leaked to spin a narrative to influence and put pressure on the GM who has a desirable player or to put pressure on bidding GMs to create a market or increase player value. There are a lot of games afoot. I don’t believe there were 15 teams legitimately prepared to make a deal, there were likely a lot of feelers, but legitimately I put the number of interested teams at 4.

I also know of 2 teams in Pennsylvania who have their eyes on Kassian, but will they actually do a deal, who knows? Trades don’t happened like the once did, GMs are full of fear because they are so concerned about disrupting team chemistry…it’s whacked…

So chances are DeBrusk does get moved at the Trade Deadline, but be prepared to be underwhelmed. It could be a deal like Kubalik for DeBrusk, are you good with that?
Dec. 30, 2021 at 5:24 p.m.
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Quoting: Grievous
How do you know who called about whom? Do you have phone taps on both the Oilers and Bruins GM’s phones?

Much of this info from media types is as accurate as the weather. I spent a couple years working as a Players Agent, hated the politics, so I stick to scouting now.

FYI, Info will get leaked to spin a narrative to influence and put pressure on the GM who has a desirable player or to put pressure on bidding GMs to create a market or increase player value. There are a lot of games afoot. I don’t believe there were 15 teams legitimately prepared to make a deal, there were likely a lot of feelers, but legitimately I put the number of interested teams at 4.

I also know of 2 teams in Pennsylvania who have their eyes on Kassian, but will they actually do a deal, who knows? Trades don’t happened like the once did, GMs are full of fear because they are so concerned about disrupting team chemistry…it’s whacked…



I said they called, as been reported, did not say they made offers.

Edmonton has tried to trade Kassian in the past and could find no takers, per reports.

Take it however you want.

Regardless. Bottom line is Boston has zero interest in that offer.
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Dec. 30, 2021 at 5:35 p.m.
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Quoting: Grievous
The NHL is a league where results are valued.

DeBrusk is a 3rd line winger with (take this with a grain of salt) an attitude problem and the coach has been trying to beat it out of him by not putting him in a position to succeed. He isn’t scoring, so his value is very low.

So:

1. How do you value him

And

2. How is DeBrusk’s situation any different than that Anthanasiou or Kubalik, as I have laid out?


1. Value him like a middle 6 player. 1 bad year doesnt make him a 3rd liner. cant really use this year against him look who his linemates have been, jake wants to score because he knows scoring is what drives contract values up. similar to senyshyn, he doesnt want to be a 200 foot player.

2. Kubalik playing with dach, debrusk playing with haula. athanasiou played 9 games for edmonton... not anyones fault that covid cancelled that year short and that after MONTHS off the chemistry wasnt there come playoffs. how can you even bring athanasiou up as a comparable? I would take AA for debrusk in a second. AA is a speedy .5 ppg player. Some players shocker i know, just dont work out in certain systems or certain players, debrusk started off great with krejci at center. Hes very streaky, either super hot and plays everything well or hes very cold and doesnt do the little things to try to make up for not scoring. THATS why hes in bruins doghouse. kids got the talent. he just doesnt wanna play both ends of the ice all the time. i.e. phil kessel.
ITs all about teammate quality. look at who hes played with the last 2 years vs kubalik/athansiou. lets try looking at this a different way. put debrusk in chicago right now, hes playing with toews, put debrusk in edmonton hes probably playing with mcdavid or drai, put debrusk in calgary hes playing with backlund or monahan... vs putting him in boston and hes playing with charlie coyle, erik haula, tomas nosek, curtis lazar, trent frederic.... quality of linemates is significantly different, cant ask him to do it all. FWIW debrusk is tied for 5th on team in goals while playing a mix of 3rd and 4th line. I 100% believe he will be better somewhere else.
Dec. 31, 2021 at 1:38 a.m.
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My goalies??
The usual ask for MAF at 50% is Koskinen + 1st. This guy added Yamamoto and that's still not good enough for you? GFO.


Includes Kubalik who is better then Yamamoto
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