Trust me. I already know a bunch of Bruins homers and they are the worst.

There are no 100 point players in the league who are not good players. You're foolish if you think that. The Canes are very good this year so you can act like all Carolina players are better then even the best Canucks. Miller is the Canucks best player and tbh it's not really close. I have no idea why we would take four bottom of the roster players back and a couple mid round picks.

Obviously this trade doesn't make sense for Carolina or the Canucks.

Kotkaniemi is scoring at a 0.8 PPG rate, is responsible at both ends and is 7 years younger than miller. He's got the potential to be better than miller and he's showing it.

And Bear has played 1st line minutes (5v5) on the best team in hockey, simmer down here kiddo. Miller is also not a 100 point player

How is 15 pts in 31 games .8 PPG?

Bear is averaging 16:41 per game. That is a sheltered 3rd pair defenceman. His last game he played 9 minutes. Yes, totally a first pairing dman... (5v5).

Yeah, I've been seeing Bear on the 3rd pairing on the Canes depth chart recently

Since moving to center, KK has 10 points in 14 games. Yes, the PPG rate is a little outdated, but he's been absolutely brilliant as a C. He's played the last 2 games at LW, but he's in the top six, and he's on a 5 game point streak.

You say that like Bear isn't a 1st pairing D man. Our last game was the 7-4 comeback against Columbus where he was moved down to Cole's pair, and he STILL got the game winner. Just stop it

Oh... ok. Well Miller is on a 9 game point streak. If we just get to choose which part of the season to include (he also moved from wing to centre during that time btw) than he is 1.44 PPG. So to your point above, Miller actually IS a 100 point player. Who knew!

I don't even understand your Bear argument. Where would you rank him on Carolina's defence? I would say Pesce, Deangelo, Skeji and Slavin are all better than Bear no? That would make him a bottom pair defenseman on that team. If you think he's better I'd happily switch for any of those 4 in the above trade.

I think our friend here is a bit of a Canes homer I'm afraid, favoring when his teams players are streaky (Kotkaniemi) and dismissing when players on other teams go on streaks, even if they are short

Bear is better than Skjei, and he's more useful than DeAngelo, seeing as DeAngelo is a very one dimensional defenseman.

Miller is a 28 year old that has a career PPG rate at C of 0.4... Unless the NHL elected to use an MLB style schedule, Miller ain't a 100 point player. He's only got more than 50 points once. Chill your bias here.

KK is 21, he's scoring at a 0.67 PPG rate as a center in Carolina. Yes, limited sample size, but he's also now being properly developed. Something he didn't get in Montreal. If you're going to continue to argue this, you're beyond all hope.

Alright I'd take Skeji in the deal instead of Bear.

I don't have a clue where you are getting those Miller numbers from (his career PPG is 0.66 and over a PPG this year); but if you counted all the games he played at C I won't argue. I was making fun of you when I said he's a 100 point player.

KK could be a good player.

I don't think anybody has ever questioned KK's potential, upside, or ceiling

Carolina still wouldn't part with Skjei so, no you wouldn't

Miller as a Center in his career, miller has been a net-negative. Kotkaniemi is a net-gain, plus he's 7 years younger. There's no reason to demand the absolutely blatantly bias priced Canucks fans will want for an overrated player 😂

Dude, he already told you that there are no bad, or in your case, no such thing as net-negative players who produce at point-per-game rates or higher, they simply don't exist, they can't exist in the NHL, and Miller doesn't fit that definition. No other user on this site agrees with your assessment of J.T. Miller, so I don't know why you bother to continue insisting it, it won't do you any good

On another note, while I believe just as much as you that Kotkaniemi will be good, I think you're very much alone in believing he can ever reach J.T. Miller's ceiling

Miller is a 50 point winger. KK has already hit 30 as a C... he'll pass Miller quite quickly.

I disagree. Guys like Miller, Laine... guys that don't defend are liabilities, regardless of their offensive output.

Oh so totally wrong, and did you even read my previous post or did you just quote it?

Admitting you're wrong? I can appreciate that. It's rare on this website

I edited my post in case you didn't notice, and I was saying that YOU are wrong, I wasn't admitting that I was wrong, so YOU misinterpreted me, or maybe you didn't and you are just saying that

I replied before you edited it, hence why the quote in my reply isn't edited...

But I read your post and it's still wrong. KK has already hit 30 points as a C. Fact. Miller plays the majority of games on the wing. Fact. He's passed 50 points once. Fact. He's a 50 point winger with consistency issues. KK is 7 years younger, and already on pace for 40 points... he'll pass Miller by the time he's 24.

Miller is on pace for much more than 50 points, and he would have easily passed the 50 point mark last season if it was 82 games. Kotkaniemi passing Miller in terms of point production is just speculation, but you sound like you are acting as if it's a guarantee which I don't understand

@zackhendo doesn't understand where the hell you are coming from either with these claims. Neither of us are trying to change your opinion, but we aren't accepting it either

Maybe Koktaniemi is better than I was giving him credit for. TBH I haven't watched him much since he left the Habs.

The fact that Caniac thinks Ethan Bear is a #1 borderline untouchable dman gives me my doubts though.

The Miller hate is just completely unjustifiable though. He's far and away been the Canucks best player this year and at least 2nd or third with Hughes and Petey for the last 3. Calling Miller a 50 point player is just plain wrong and he knows it...

Some days, them Canes fans...