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ERod with pretty much elite production I feel like he absolutely belongs on the 1st line with Sid. But at the same time ERod has been generating his own offence and I feel would be a nice fit with Carter and Heinen. Now as much as id love to keep Jake with Sid I’d rather give Zucker a chance with Sid. It feels like he’s played with everyone else except Sid and well last time they played together Zucker put up 6 goals and 6 assists in 15 games with Sid. He hasn’t been bad this year but he can’t seem to buy any points. I think that would change playing with Sid
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Jan. 11 at 2:11 a.m.
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All factors of their game were working? what games were you watching. PP stunk, top lines struggled to produce....
If the offense could have scored to being with they win the 2-3 a 2OT loss game. But they couldn't muster a goal. Then you are looking at 3-2 the other way and they probably win that series.
You also have the 1st game of the series they lost 4-3 in OT. Again they couldn't score. It's not like they didn't have every opportunity to win that game. They did.

Not to mention how many of those goals are on the team. The 4-1 game is two PP goals for NY. Something the penguins couldn't do. You take those out it's a 2-1 game.
Those are directly related to the team in front of him. Who lost that game???????

You act like he's the one who cost the team. He kept the team in it most of the series, when he wasn't being thrown under the bus.

You have to actually win those games and score, not put your goalie in a bad spot and capitalize when you get a chance. These are all things they struggled at. Very Shaky, there is no real evidence of that. All the evidence shows otherwise, he got the team to OT twice they lost both. The only real blow out, the forwards were no help as they couldn't score and put in on the PK for 2 goals.

The only "bad" game you can say he had was the last one. But the forwards didn't get their job done the whole series.
You look at this team this year, the goalie isn't the problem. He's playing fine. But the same issues from last year are still there. PP struggling.
Just wait, the playoffs will begin, the roughing calls right and left, slashing, beating on guys, because teams have no worry of them scoring on the PP. It will disrupt the team yet again....and out they go. Not from the goalie, but from a team that's not able to score when they need to.


They’re power play was at 25% against the Islanders and PK 81%. They matched the Islanders defence efforts and offence. Why do you think it was a 6 game series? Jarry had 1 really good game of stopping the puck. Pittsburgh had really good possessions in losing games where Sorokin and Varlomov did what Jarry didn’t do. That was actually to stop the puck. Jarry simply didn’t do that.
Jan. 11 at 8:01 p.m.
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They’re power play was at 25% against the Islanders and PK 81%. They matched the Islanders defence efforts and offence. Why do you think it was a 6 game series? Jarry had 1 really good game of stopping the puck. Pittsburgh had really good possessions in losing games where Sorokin and Varlomov did what Jarry didn’t do. That was actually to stop the puck. Jarry simply didn’t do that.


possession.... corsi is the worst stat in all of hockey, it ranks up there with +/-.
Anyone can hold onto the puck. It doesn't mean you did anything with it.
25% on a PP is not good. That means 1 out of every 4 attempts is a goal. That's pathetic. It should be above 1/3.

You keep wanting to put this on Jarry, but don't want to talk about how they failed to score goals to win games that were won in OT, how the blowout 4-1 loss was mainly on the skaters collecting penalties and not netting the puck to get those points back. That's 3 of the 4 loses right there.
They lost those games. It's not the fault of the goalie they couldn't put the puck in the net. Hell one of them was a double OT loss. How many OT do you need?
But keep blaming the goalie.
Jan. 11 at 10:16 p.m.
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possession.... corsi is the worst stat in all of hockey, it ranks up there with +/-.
Anyone can hold onto the puck. It doesn't mean you did anything with it.
25% on a PP is not good. That means 1 out of every 4 attempts is a goal. That's pathetic. It should be above 1/3.

You keep wanting to put this on Jarry, but don't want to talk about how they failed to score goals to win games that were won in OT, how the blowout 4-1 loss was mainly on the skaters collecting penalties and not netting the puck to get those points back. That's 3 of the 4 loses right there.
They lost those games. It's not the fault of the goalie they couldn't put the puck in the net. Hell one of them was a double OT loss. How many OT do you need?
But keep blaming the goalie.


Jarry barely faced any shots in those OT’s and should’ve been shape to come up with those saves. Pittsburgh was getting great shots on net and great chances in those overtime games. Then of course the only real chance the Islanders ever get their chance they score. That’s how those games went. Also how often do teams have 25% on the power play. Especially in the playoffs. You bring up stats, so I too will bring up stats. In those OT games Jarry barely faced any shots. It’s very crucial for the goalie to come up with saves in OT and because of Pittsburghs defence they were able to stop the Islanders from getting pucks on net. Then the second there’s a minor slip up in defence it turns in to a goal that Jarry should’ve stopped. And then not even a minute in to the double OT game Jarry had an open player to pass the puck to and he threw the puck away and resulted in another Islanders goal. That absolutely costed the Pens the series. The timing of Jarry giving up those goals were the absolute worse timing and never gave Pittsburgh a chance to win any games. If you’re goalie doesn’t come up with those saves how are to supposed to win games? Look at literally every Cup winning team in the last decade. Look at teams that made it as far as they did in the playoffs. Goaltending is very crucial like I said for a Cup contending team. The scoring had no problems at all for Pittsburgh. They had 50 shots on net completely outperforming the Islanders in that double overtime game and lost cause of Jarry. Not to mention he had faced 28 shots in 80 minutes of hockey. You think the skaters didn’t do what they went out to do? Goaltending was such a huge difference for the Islanders. And for Pittsburgh Jarry like I said only had like 2 good games.
Jan. 12 at 10:13 a.m.
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Jarry barely faced any shots in those OT’s and should’ve been shape to come up with those saves. Pittsburgh was getting great shots on net and great chances in those overtime games. Then of course the only real chance the Islanders ever get their chance they score. That’s how those games went. Also how often do teams have 25% on the power play. Especially in the playoffs. You bring up stats, so I too will bring up stats. In those OT games Jarry barely faced any shots. It’s very crucial for the goalie to come up with saves in OT and because of Pittsburghs defence they were able to stop the Islanders from getting pucks on net. Then the second there’s a minor slip up in defence it turns in to a goal that Jarry should’ve stopped. And then not even a minute in to the double OT game Jarry had an open player to pass the puck to and he threw the puck away and resulted in another Islanders goal. That absolutely costed the Pens the series. The timing of Jarry giving up those goals were the absolute worse timing and never gave Pittsburgh a chance to win any games. If you’re goalie doesn’t come up with those saves how are to supposed to win games? Look at literally every Cup winning team in the last decade. Look at teams that made it as far as they did in the playoffs. Goaltending is very crucial like I said for a Cup contending team. The scoring had no problems at all for Pittsburgh. They had 50 shots on net completely outperforming the Islanders in that double overtime game and lost cause of Jarry. Not to mention he had faced 28 shots in 80 minutes of hockey. You think the skaters didn’t do what they went out to do? Goaltending was such a huge difference for the Islanders. And for Pittsburgh Jarry like I said only had like 2 good games.


you don't win games by not facing shots.
You have to put the puck in the net.
50 bad shots, shooting it right into the goalies chest, etc... Just think about this, if you had 50 shots and they aren't going in what does that tell you about your ability to actually score.

As I said, how many OTs do you need?
They can't score, it's what cost them the series. Period.
It's been the same problem for the past 3 years.
Jan. 12 at 2:38 p.m.
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you don't win games by not facing shots.
You have to put the puck in the net.
50 bad shots, shooting it right into the goalies chest, etc... Just think about this, if you had 50 shots and they aren't going in what does that tell you about your ability to actually score.

As I said, how many OTs do you need?
They can't score, it's what cost them the series. Period.
It's been the same problem for the past 3 years.


It was literally only 2 OT games they played. It wasn’t like the Canes/Preds I think? Where they played OT game after OT game lol. Bad shots? You really didn’t pay attention to the series. Scoring chances would for sure be in Pittsburghs favour and a lot of people would also agree goaltending was a big factor in the Islanders winning games. How else does a goalie come up with those saves?
Jan. 12 at 3:40 p.m.
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It was literally only 2 OT games they played. It wasn’t like the Canes/Preds I think? Where they played OT game after OT game lol. Bad shots? You really didn’t pay attention to the series. Scoring chances would for sure be in Pittsburghs favour and a lot of people would also agree goaltending was a big factor in the Islanders winning games. How else does a goalie come up with those saves?


yeah 2 OT games, and a 4-1 game where you can blame the players in front of the goalie for throwing him under the bus.
I mean really, That's 3/4 of the losses and the series right there.
But you're blaming the goalie. Like, Score a goal instead of ****ing and you win the series.
Hell they would have at least taken it to 7 games.
But they didn't, repeatedly.

The shots mean nothing, they out shot MTL, they lost. Because the shots were garbage. Scoring chance nothing. They couldn't score. No different here.
Fact is Jarry did enough to help the team win. No matter how you want to put it on him. He took you to two OT games, you didn't do him any favors.
You throw him under the bus in a 4-1 loss, put nothing on the board and leave him out to dry on two PP goals.
But the series is on him?
I'm sorry that's not living in reality.
His play again this year shows that. He's not the issue. If they are going to win they need help scoring when it matters. As it's been lacking for years.
Jan. 12 at 6:10 p.m.
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yeah 2 OT games, and a 4-1 game where you can blame the players in front of the goalie for throwing him under the bus.
I mean really, That's 3/4 of the losses and the series right there.
But you're blaming the goalie. Like, Score a goal instead of ****ing and you win the series.
Hell they would have at least taken it to 7 games.
But they didn't, repeatedly.

The shots mean nothing, they out shot MTL, they lost. Because the shots were garbage. Scoring chance nothing. They couldn't score. No different here.
Fact is Jarry did enough to help the team win. No matter how you want to put it on him. He took you to two OT games, you didn't do him any favors.
You throw him under the bus in a 4-1 loss, put nothing on the board and leave him out to dry on two PP goals.
But the series is on him?
I'm sorry that's not living in reality.
His play again this year shows that. He's not the issue. If they are going to win they need help scoring when it matters. As it's been lacking for years.

His stats would say otherwise in the playoffs. You clearly haven’t watched the games they played. They had the offence going and the puck possessions going and couldn’t figure out Sorokin and Varlomov. You keep bringing up the one game which I already agreed they had a bad game. Also what’s so hard to understand the goalie needs to stop the puck? Jarry didn’t do that for them. Game 1 he did that but still gave up in my opinion, a bad goal. Game 2 was his best game and after that he didn’t do that good at all. Double OT game he had to be bailed out by Pittsburghs defence and they’re offence. They had so much time on the attack and stellar defence because they knew they needed the win and heavily outperformed the Islanders that game. Look deeper in to that game. Jarry had only faced 4 shots in the second, 6 shots in the 3rd and 7 shots in first OT. How was he “carrying” the team in to that game when his workload wasn’t close to being heavy? That’s where Pittsburgh had been giving themselves a chance. And then of course Jarry’s huge mistake which you keep ignoring costed them the game and series. You know how bad he was in that series? He was literally mocked by Islanders fans. His mistakes led to Islanders victories.
Jan. 12 at 9:37 p.m.
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His stats would say otherwise in the playoffs. You clearly haven’t watched the games they played. They had the offence going and the puck possessions going and couldn’t figure out Sorokin and Varlomov. You keep bringing up the one game which I already agreed they had a bad game. Also what’s so hard to understand the goalie needs to stop the puck? Jarry didn’t do that for them. Game 1 he did that but still gave up in my opinion, a bad goal. Game 2 was his best game and after that he didn’t do that good at all. Double OT game he had to be bailed out by Pittsburghs defence and they’re offence. They had so much time on the attack and stellar defence because they knew they needed the win and heavily outperformed the Islanders that game. Look deeper in to that game. Jarry had only faced 4 shots in the second, 6 shots in the 3rd and 7 shots in first OT. How was he “carrying” the team in to that game when his workload wasn’t close to being heavy? That’s where Pittsburgh had been giving themselves a chance. And then of course Jarry’s huge mistake which you keep ignoring costed them the game and series. You know how bad he was in that series? He was literally mocked by Islanders fans. His mistakes led to Islanders victories.


I love, the old you clearly didn't watch.....as if you're the only one who watches hockey games.
They had the offense going....but couldn't score right?
You realize they only need to lose 4 games to be out, two of them they were in OT didn't score, had plenty of time to but didn't.
One of them the forwards shot the team in the foot by putting the team on the PK. But you want to blame 2 PP goals against the goalie while they put up 1 goal that entire game.

There is no looking "deeper" into it than that. That's 75% of the problem right there.
No one said he carried the team either, I said he gave them a chance to win. That's true. They had chances to win. OT next goal wins.....no goal.
These are the difference in opinions of someone who played hockey and someone who watches.
18 skaters didn't perform, you blame the goalie.
They were free to put the puck in the net at any time during those 2 OT loses, they didn't. Period. That's the end of the conversation. Hockey isn't a defensive game. The best defense in hockey is offense, they didn't score.
They basically blew the 4-1 game by doing nothing with the puck and putting the goalie under the bus. But you want to blame him.
It's not that he "let" the islanders win. It's that the skaters didn't score.

PS. teams always mock the other team. How many times have pens fans mocked OV for the caps losing. It doesn't mean it was his fault. It's just easy target.
Jan. 13 at 1:34 a.m.
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I love, the old you clearly didn't watch.....as if you're the only one who watches hockey games.
They had the offense going....but couldn't score right?
You realize they only need to lose 4 games to be out, two of them they were in OT didn't score, had plenty of time to but didn't.
One of them the forwards shot the team in the foot by putting the team on the PK. But you want to blame 2 PP goals against the goalie while they put up 1 goal that entire game.

There is no looking "deeper" into it than that. That's 75% of the problem right there.
No one said he carried the team either, I said he gave them a chance to win. That's true. They had chances to win. OT next goal wins.....no goal.
These are the difference in opinions of someone who played hockey and someone who watches.
18 skaters didn't perform, you blame the goalie.
They were free to put the puck in the net at any time during those 2 OT loses, they didn't. Period. That's the end of the conversation. Hockey isn't a defensive game. The best defense in hockey is offense, they didn't score.
They basically blew the 4-1 game by doing nothing with the puck and putting the goalie under the bus. But you want to blame him.
It's not that he "let" the islanders win. It's that the skaters didn't score.

PS. teams always mock the other team. How many times have pens fans mocked OV for the caps losing. It doesn't mean it was his fault. It's just easy target.

And how often does it become the goalies to be mocked? You can’t win games purely because of scoring. Look at championship winning teams. Their efforts on offence and defence mean nothing if the goalie lets in 3-5 goals a freakin game. Which is what Jarry did. Also meaning in order for Pittsburgh to win games they’d have to score over 6 goals a game against a team as capable on both ends of the ice like them. The differences is goaltending. And that’s what the big difference maker was for the Islanders. There’s a difference between playing hockey and playing in the NHL. And you are not in the NHL 😂. You think Championship winning teams win purely off goal scoring? Looking at the Lightnings display of games from their cup run last season the had 14 out 23 games weren’t high scoring games which is the majority of games with low scoring and 9 games where they had given up 3 or more goals. And I wonder why that is? Maybe it has something to do with Vasilevskiy actually stopping the puck? Trust me goaltending plays a huge factor in to winning teams.
Jan. 13 at 8:07 p.m.
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And how often does it become the goalies to be mocked? You can’t win games purely because of scoring. Look at championship winning teams. Their efforts on offence and defence mean nothing if the goalie lets in 3-5 goals a freakin game. Which is what Jarry did. Also meaning in order for Pittsburgh to win games they’d have to score over 6 goals a game against a team as capable on both ends of the ice like them. The differences is goaltending. And that’s what the big difference maker was for the Islanders. There’s a difference between playing hockey and playing in the NHL. And you are not in the NHL 😂. You think Championship winning teams win purely off goal scoring? Looking at the Lightnings display of games from their cup run last season the had 14 out 23 games weren’t high scoring games which is the majority of games with low scoring and 9 games where they had given up 3 or more goals. And I wonder why that is? Maybe it has something to do with Vasilevskiy actually stopping the puck? Trust me goaltending plays a huge factor in to winning teams.


I hate to break this to you, but hockey is an offensive game, it is about scoring goals. Everyone knows this. The penguins proved that in their last 2 cups.
You should also expect to have to score 4 goals come playoffs to win a game. If you need 3 to win in the regular season on average, the play gets better, you should be expecting that 4 is the mark there.
at least I played at any level, you have not and it shows.
This team threw the goalie under the bus, you want to look at one play. They had plenty of opportunity to win, they didn't get it done. Period. Blame the goalie all day, they didn't score goals.
Jan. 13 at 9:08 p.m.
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I hate to break this to you, but hockey is an offensive game, it is about scoring goals. Everyone knows this. The penguins proved that in their last 2 cups.
You should also expect to have to score 4 goals come playoffs to win a game. If you need 3 to win in the regular season on average, the play gets better, you should be expecting that 4 is the mark there.
at least I played at any level, you have not and it shows.
This team threw the goalie under the bus, you want to look at one play. They had plenty of opportunity to win, they didn't get it done. Period. Blame the goalie all day, they didn't score goals.


There’s plenty of goals to call out Jarry on. He even let shots past him that were just shots being thrown at the net. He had poor positioning at times and the Islanders took advantage of his poor positioning. I just pointed out a stat line to you from the Lightning you absolutely ignored. Your level of hockey you played means nothing. All there is to it is you only played hockey. It doesn’t mean anything or translate anything you know about the game in to the NHL’s level of hockey. You bring an offensive only mindset to the game it isn’t going to get you anywhere. Look at highly offensive teams in the past that have failed because they were mostly an offensive only team. Look at current highly powered offensive teams that have lost. You don’t get anywhere in the league with just offence. Your way of thinking would get a team no where
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There’s plenty of goals to call out Jarry on. He even let shots past him that were just shots being thrown at the net. He had poor positioning at times and the Islanders took advantage of his poor positioning. I just pointed out a stat line to you from the Lightning you absolutely ignored. Your level of hockey you played means nothing. All there is to it is you only played hockey. It doesn’t mean anything or translate anything you know about the game in to the NHL’s level of hockey. You bring an offensive only mindset to the game it isn’t going to get you anywhere. Look at highly offensive teams in the past that have failed because they were mostly an offensive only team. Look at current highly powered offensive teams that have lost. You don’t get anywhere in the league with just offence. Your way of thinking would get a team no where


It gets you no where?
TB and PIT own 4 of the last 6 cups. Come tell me it gets you no where.
Offense is the best defense in the NHL.

You just don't want to admit the forwards didn't get the job done. That's what it falls down to. In your mind the only person to blame is Jarry.
I hate to break it to you, that's no true. There is plenty of blame to go around, even the players know that.
They did not get it done in OT, they put the team in a bad position in the 4-1 loss and didn't do anything to help climb out of the spot they put the team in.
At the end of the day you can't blame the goalie for not putting the puck in the other teams net.
Those are some facts you're going to have to accept.
Jan. 14 at 6:21 p.m.
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It gets you no where?
TB and PIT own 4 of the last 6 cups. Come tell me it gets you no where.
Offense is the best defense in the NHL.

You just don't want to admit the forwards didn't get the job done. That's what it falls down to. In your mind the only person to blame is Jarry.
I hate to break it to you, that's no true. There is plenty of blame to go around, even the players know that.
They did not get it done in OT, they put the team in a bad position in the 4-1 loss and didn't do anything to help climb out of the spot they put the team in.
At the end of the day you can't blame the goalie for not putting the puck in the other teams net.
Those are some facts you're going to have to accept.


And you know what those teams also had? Defence that shut down other teams top lines. Goaltending to actually stop the puck. You get no where only being an offensive powered team. You can’t win every game scoring the amount of goals you expect a team to, to win. That’s where you are lost. Look at how much praise goalies get for when they perform well in the playoffs. You yet again keep ignoring why Jarry’s performance was poor and why it had costed Pittsburgh some games. He had poor positioning and left too many holes open to score on. He failed to stop the puck to hold on to leads. He gave up bad goals at the worst times. How many championship teams in the past 10 years have had goalies giving up 3+ goals a game? How many of these games were blowout wins? You don’t get plenty of those in the playoffs these days. There was literally 5 shutouts by Tampa Bay in their cup run where they could have actually won those games 1-0. And then they won 6 games where Vasilevekiy only gave up 1 goal and could actually win with a minimum of 2 goals. So that makes 11 out of 16 wins were games that Vasilevekiy had won for Tampa Bay. Making your need for 3+ goals a game all the more invalid to me. This is the impact of goaltending in Stanley Cup runs. And yet you keep ignoring the impact they have and also the impact defence can have. You can’t rely on just scoring as much as it helps. There are more factors that build up to a cup winning team that you time and again keep ignoring.
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And you know what those teams also had? Defence that shut down other teams top lines. Goaltending to actually stop the puck. You get no where only being an offensive powered team. You can’t win every game scoring the amount of goals you expect a team to, to win. That’s where you are lost. Look at how much praise goalies get for when they perform well in the playoffs. You yet again keep ignoring why Jarry’s performance was poor and why it had costed Pittsburgh some games. He had poor positioning and left too many holes open to score on. He failed to stop the puck to hold on to leads. He gave up bad goals at the worst times. How many championship teams in the past 10 years have had goalies giving up 3+ goals a game? How many of these games were blowout wins? You don’t get plenty of those in the playoffs these days. There was literally 5 shutouts by Tampa Bay in their cup run where they could have actually won those games 1-0. And then they won 6 games where Vasilevekiy only gave up 1 goal and could actually win with a minimum of 2 goals. So that makes 11 out of 16 wins were games that Vasilevekiy had won for Tampa Bay. Making your need for 3+ goals a game all the more invalid to me. This is the impact of goaltending in Stanley Cup runs. And yet you keep ignoring the impact they have and also the impact defence can have. You can’t rely on just scoring as much as it helps. There are more factors that build up to a cup winning team that you time and again keep ignoring.


neither the penguins nor TB had some great defensive teams. The other team is too busy chasing the forward group all over the ice. It's the pressure they built and it's why both those teams have high Corsi, as they controlled possession and the pace of play. That's why they won. As I said, the best defense in the NHL is a good offense. It puts the other team on their heels.
This old mentality of defense wins in the NHL is ridiculous. Go look at the top defensive teams in the NHL those years they won. They didn't win cups.
PIT's defense was middle of the pack, they were not great, They won on their offense. It's why they never changed the system and the rest of the NHL tried to play catch up to them.
It's not even worth arguing this.
You blame the loss of the goalie, in your mind that's what it is. Well, that's not true. There is plenty of blame to go around. I've explained why on that over and over, you don't want to accept the fact that not putting a puck in a net in OT means you lose or that the forward group giving up two penalties putting the team down 2 goals and not managing to get any of them back causes you to lose games.
Well it does. None of that has anything to do with the goalie. It only takes 4 games to lose a series, there are 3 right there that the forward group helped lose. It's not "all" on Jarry. He's not the issue.
They need to score if they want to win another cup. They better find the forward help to get that done if they want to make a deep run.
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neither the penguins nor TB had some great defensive teams. The other team is too busy chasing the forward group all over the ice. It's the pressure they built and it's why both those teams have high Corsi, as they controlled possession and the pace of play. That's why they won. As I said, the best defense in the NHL is a good offense. It puts the other team on their heels.
This old mentality of defense wins in the NHL is ridiculous. Go look at the top defensive teams in the NHL those years they won. They didn't win cups.
PIT's defense was middle of the pack, they were not great, They won on their offense. It's why they never changed the system and the rest of the NHL tried to play catch up to them.
It's not even worth arguing this.
You blame the loss of the goalie, in your mind that's what it is. Well, that's not true. There is plenty of blame to go around. I've explained why on that over and over, you don't want to accept the fact that not putting a puck in a net in OT means you lose or that the forward group giving up two penalties putting the team down 2 goals and not managing to get any of them back causes you to lose games.
Well it does. None of that has anything to do with the goalie. It only takes 4 games to lose a series, there are 3 right there that the forward group helped lose. It's not "all" on Jarry. He's not the issue.
They need to score if they want to win another cup. They better find the forward help to get that done if they want to make a deep run.

Here you are still ignoring the stats I bring up and the importance of goaltending and the importance of defence. Did I say defence wins you games? I have not but it still play a a role in to winning games. Goaltending also plays a role in to winning games which is why the Islanders beat Pittsburgh. Simple as that. How do you think the series would’ve gone if Sorokin and Varlomov were doing as bad as Jarry did. You rely too much on the scoring. You still need the defence and goaltending. I will keep repeating this that you don’t win without defence and goaltending. The offence will always do it’s job. Those Stanley Cup winning teams always has a perfect mix of those. But the goaltending really shows a lot of importance. You don’t have that, there’s simply no winning. No defence, goalie faces too many shots. Offence only, you’d have to score a lot of goals a game because you have bad defence and a goalie facing too many shots. The game will always remain the same and it’ll really show. Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay don’t win their cups without their defence and goaltending. Because from your logic, teams in the past that had arguably better offence than them should’ve won the cup. But they didn’t because they were only an offensive powered team and nothing else. You’re offence only mindset is simply a dumb one. It’s an all round team that wins. Offence, defence, and goaltending. The ones that show the most in Cup runs is how well the goalie can stop the puck and how well the defence is able to shut down the opposing teams top lines. Which is what almost ever Cup winning team in the past 10 years had. They’re offence did their job, their defence had been disruptive to the opposing teams, and their goaltending actually making saves. They didn’t win strictly on offence as much as it helps.
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Here you are still ignoring the stats I bring up and the importance of goaltending and the importance of defence. Did I say defence wins you games? I have not but it still play a a role in to winning games. Goaltending also plays a role in to winning games which is why the Islanders beat Pittsburgh. Simple as that. How do you think the series would’ve gone if Sorokin and Varlomov were doing as bad as Jarry did. You rely too much on the scoring. You still need the defence and goaltending. I will keep repeating this that you don’t win without defence and goaltending. The offence will always do it’s job. Those Stanley Cup winning teams always has a perfect mix of those. But the goaltending really shows a lot of importance. You don’t have that, there’s simply no winning. No defence, goalie faces too many shots. Offence only, you’d have to score a lot of goals a game because you have bad defence and a goalie facing too many shots. The game will always remain the same and it’ll really show. Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay don’t win their cups without their defence and goaltending. Because from your logic, teams in the past that had arguably better offence than them should’ve won the cup. But they didn’t because they were only an offensive powered team and nothing else. You’re offence only mindset is simply a dumb one. It’s an all round team that wins. Offence, defence, and goaltending. The ones that show the most in Cup runs is how well the goalie can stop the puck and how well the defence is able to shut down the opposing teams top lines. Which is what almost ever Cup winning team in the past 10 years had. They’re offence did their job, their defence had been disruptive to the opposing teams, and their goaltending actually making saves. They didn’t win strictly on offence as much as it helps.


what stats, you didn't give any stats...
You just rambling at this point. As I said. You don't want to admit the skaters didn't get it done. You can ramble all day about goaltending. He put them in 2 OT games. 2, one went to double OT. How long do you need to score? You still haven't answered that question. It's not on the goalie when the forward group puts up 0 goals in a whole OT period is it? FFS dude, there is more then enough blame to go around. Stop pinning it on Jarry. He is the least of the concerns on the team right now. They need a scoring forward to help the lines because without it, it's gonna be the same crap where they can't get goals when they need them.
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what stats, you didn't give any stats...
You just rambling at this point. As I said. You don't want to admit the skaters didn't get it done. You can ramble all day about goaltending. He put them in 2 OT games. 2, one went to double OT. How long do you need to score? You still haven't answered that question. It's not on the goalie when the forward group puts up 0 goals in a whole OT period is it? FFS dude, there is more then enough blame to go around. Stop pinning it on Jarry. He is the least of the concerns on the team right now. They need a scoring forward to help the lines because without it, it's gonna be the same crap where they can't get goals when they need them.

You know the stats about Tampa Bays wins on their road to the Cup last season? 11 out of 16 wins were either shutouts or 1 goal allowed? You know that? Games that Vasilevekiy was a complete brick wall? Defence playing a role in those wins as well? How do you explain that? They literally won the last game of the playoffs 2-0. I’ve given you an easy explanation on why Pittsburgh had lost and why the Islanders lost and it really isn’t that hard to explain. Goaltending. But yet you wanna blame offence strictly and call hockey an offensive game and ignore the importance of defence and goaltending as well. You say Jarry brought them to the ot games? I explained to you he barely faced that many shots in the double OT game. The double OT game isn’t even a flex when the second ot game lasted only 51 seconds BECAUSE OF HIM 😂. 28 shots faced in literally 80 minutes and 51 seconds. That would’ve been any other experienced goalies dreams 😂. And yet somehow in your eyes Jarry turning over the puck resulting in a islanders goal is Pittsburghs offence’s fault. You see how dumb that sounds?
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You know the stats about Tampa Bays wins on their road to the Cup last season? 11 out of 16 wins were either shutouts or 1 goal allowed? You know that? Games that Vasilevekiy was a complete brick wall? Defence playing a role in those wins as well? How do you explain that? They literally won the last game of the playoffs 2-0. I’ve given you an easy explanation on why Pittsburgh had lost and why the Islanders lost and it really isn’t that hard to explain. Goaltending. But yet you wanna blame offence strictly and call hockey an offensive game and ignore the importance of defence and goaltending as well. You say Jarry brought them to the ot games? I explained to you he barely faced that many shots in the double OT game. The double OT game isn’t even a flex when the second ot game lasted only 51 seconds BECAUSE OF HIM 😂. 28 shots faced in literally 80 minutes and 51 seconds. That would’ve been any other experienced goalies dreams 😂. And yet somehow in your eyes Jarry turning over the puck resulting in a islanders goal is Pittsburghs offence’s fault. You see how dumb that sounds?


Yes because the whole 20 minutes of the 1st OT wasn't enough time to score a goal, clearly it's the goalie.
TB was also a top 10 offense last year. As I said, having a good offense is the best defense. It's pretty hard for the other team to score when you have the puck and are controlling the game. What part of that didn't you get?

You see to have some grand dissolutions here. At no point did I say Jarry couldn't have played better. That's really not the point here.
You seem to want to blame him completely for the loss. You are unwilling to admit that there is plenty of blame to go around. Fact is he did play good enough to win. You can't blame a guy for losing a game in the 2nd OT. When the forwards had 20 minutes to score and didn't. What part of that don't you get?
You had 20 minutes to just put 1, just 1 puck in the net. They didn't. Do you really think they are going back in the locker room going, it's on him. Or you think they are going back and saying damn we didn't get it done when he gave us 20 minutes to do it.
At some point there is more than enough blame to go around. Which you refuse to recognize.
Fact is they didn't score. Period. That has been a repetitive problem for this team when games count. Or are you blind to the MTL series and the NYI series two years prior?
So you have a 3 year recurring problem and you scapegoat the goalie.
NO.
you can just stop right there with that and start looking in the mirror and being honest about it.
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Yes because the whole 20 minutes of the 1st OT wasn't enough time to score a goal, clearly it's the goalie.
TB was also a top 10 offense last year. As I said, having a good offense is the best defense. It's pretty hard for the other team to score when you have the puck and are controlling the game. What part of that didn't you get?

You see to have some grand dissolutions here. At no point did I say Jarry couldn't have played better. That's really not the point here.
You seem to want to blame him completely for the loss. You are unwilling to admit that there is plenty of blame to go around. Fact is he did play good enough to win. You can't blame a guy for losing a game in the 2nd OT. When the forwards had 20 minutes to score and didn't. What part of that don't you get?
You had 20 minutes to just put 1, just 1 puck in the net. They didn't. Do you really think they are going back in the locker room going, it's on him. Or you think they are going back and saying damn we didn't get it done when he gave us 20 minutes to do it.
At some point there is more than enough blame to go around. Which you refuse to recognize.
Fact is they didn't score. Period. That has been a repetitive problem for this team when games count. Or are you blind to the MTL series and the NYI series two years prior?
So you have a 3 year recurring problem and you scapegoat the goalie.
NO.
you can just stop right there with that and start looking in the mirror and being honest about it.


Here’s your problem. You keep bringing up 2019 and 2020 and comparing that hockey to Pittsburgh in 2021. Pittsburgh in 2021 were more improved. They had offence and defence and good goaltending. It didn’t start out that way. But they got better. But Jarry simply didn’t stop the puck playoff time in times when needed. Since you want to bring up offence then why did a team like Carolina lose? Why did Colorado lose? They have the players that can put the puck in the net better than the majority of the league. They lost. They were teams that have it all like Tampa Bay. Offence, defence, goaltending. But why did they lose? Carolina had to score on Vasilevekiy and they couldn’t. Colorado had to score on Flower who was a brick wall at the time. You see the impact of goaltending? No Stanley Cup is won purely off of offence. You can’t win games if you see the minimum goals needed is 3. You’d need you’re goalie to allow a minimum of 2 goals. Which I know Jarry is capable of. He just wasn’t capable of it against the Islanders. I literally told you how little his work load was in the double OT game was. You remain blind to the fact that goaltending really makes a difference. Tampa Bay does have a top 10 even top 5 offence in the league. But they also have top 10 defence and top 3 goaltending. You see how well that gels together? Pittsburgh also had top 10 offence and top 10 defence. Jarry however wasnt a top 10 goalie at the time and it showed. Simple as that. But over and over again you fail to see the importance of goaltending.
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Here’s your problem. You keep bringing up 2019 and 2020 and comparing that hockey to Pittsburgh in 2021. Pittsburgh in 2021 were more improved. They had offence and defence and good goaltending. It didn’t start out that way. But they got better. But Jarry simply didn’t stop the puck playoff time in times when needed. Since you want to bring up offence then why did a team like Carolina lose? Why did Colorado lose? They have the players that can put the puck in the net better than the majority of the league. They lost. They were teams that have it all like Tampa Bay. Offence, defence, goaltending. But why did they lose? Carolina had to score on Vasilevekiy and they couldn’t. Colorado had to score on Flower who was a brick wall at the time. You see the impact of goaltending? No Stanley Cup is won purely off of offence. You can’t win games if you see the minimum goals needed is 3. You’d need you’re goalie to allow a minimum of 2 goals. Which I know Jarry is capable of. He just wasn’t capable of it against the Islanders. I literally told you how little his work load was in the double OT game was. You remain blind to the fact that goaltending really makes a difference. Tampa Bay does have a top 10 even top 5 offence in the league. But they also have top 10 defence and top 3 goaltending. You see how well that gels together? Pittsburgh also had top 10 offence and top 10 defence. Jarry however wasnt a top 10 goalie at the time and it showed. Simple as that. But over and over again you fail to see the importance of goaltending.


I hate to break it to you but you can say "different team" all day, everyone knew going into that NYI series it was the same mess. No one was really shocked by losing it were they?
You could have said the same thing then...different team. But it's not. It's still a lot of the exact same players. The core is still there. Not much has changed.

As far as why did CAR lose...they faced TB a high octane offense. COL played VGK another good offensive team. You can argue defense all day, If defense wins games why did NYI lose to TB. Why did MTL lose to TB? The answer to those is clear, when Price was done standing on his head the rest of the team was of no help to net a goal, and NYI had the same problem. Which is why they are a garbage team this year. They can't score.

You think Vasilevekiy was some brick wall.... how about those last two series he played teams that can't score but TB could. Had nothing to do with the goalie.
But Instead NYI faced an incompetent PIT team that couldn't net the puck, followed by a BOS team with 1 line worth anything that couldn't generate goals either. So they made it to the 3rd round to get run over by a team that could actually generate offense. How are those realities?

Be more objective. Don't be a homer for a team. This team has problems scoring goals when games count. Period. It's not the first time and it's not the last. A huge part of that over the years was SUlly's constant ignorance about not changing the system that people had figured out. Putting him up against Trots was a disaster in the waiting because of that. At least he's done things to change the game plan. But he sucks at adapting. That's been clear for a long time. The other problem is the total lack of a PP since they chased Kessel out the door. They went from a dangerous PP that made teams pay to one that's just awful the last few years. I don't know how you can not realize that and not recognize the effects it's had on their ability to win games. The third issue has been their lack of 5v5 offense. They can't net goals. It was completely apparent in the loss to MTL. It was apparent last year in the playoffs, and if they are going to have a real chance of winning in the playoffs this year they need to bring someone in to help on that aspect, and the PP. That's how they return to a cup.

At the end of the day we are both penguins fans. We both want to see the team win.
So lets just be blunt and honest about the real problems this team has faced and continues to face.
They didn't run out there and get Zucker for no reason at all, clearly they realized the need for more forward help. It's not like his not really shinning like everyone expected isn't noticeable. Clearly even they recognize the problem.
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I hate to break it to you but you can say "different team" all day, everyone knew going into that NYI series it was the same mess. No one was really shocked by losing it were they?
You could have said the same thing then...different team. But it's not. It's still a lot of the exact same players. The core is still there. Not much has changed.

As far as why did CAR lose...they faced TB a high octane offense. COL played VGK another good offensive team. You can argue defense all day, If defense wins games why did NYI lose to TB. Why did MTL lose to TB? The answer to those is clear, when Price was done standing on his head the rest of the team was of no help to net a goal, and NYI had the same problem. Which is why they are a garbage team this year. They can't score.

You think Vasilevekiy was some brick wall.... how about those last two series he played teams that can't score but TB could. Had nothing to do with the goalie.
But Instead NYI faced an incompetent PIT team that couldn't net the puck, followed by a BOS team with 1 line worth anything that couldn't generate goals either. So they made it to the 3rd round to get run over by a team that could actually generate offense. How are those realities?

Be more objective. Don't be a homer for a team. This team has problems scoring goals when games count. Period. It's not the first time and it's not the last. A huge part of that over the years was SUlly's constant ignorance about not changing the system that people had figured out. Putting him up against Trots was a disaster in the waiting because of that. At least he's done things to change the game plan. But he sucks at adapting. That's been clear for a long time. The other problem is the total lack of a PP since they chased Kessel out the door. They went from a dangerous PP that made teams pay to one that's just awful the last few years. I don't know how you can not realize that and not recognize the effects it's had on their ability to win games. The third issue has been their lack of 5v5 offense. They can't net goals. It was completely apparent in the loss to MTL. It was apparent last year in the playoffs, and if they are going to have a real chance of winning in the playoffs this year they need to bring someone in to help on that aspect, and the PP. That's how they return to a cup.

At the end of the day we are both penguins fans. We both want to see the team win.
So lets just be blunt and honest about the real problems this team has faced and continues to face.
They didn't run out there and get Zucker for no reason at all, clearly they realized the need for more forward help. It's not like his not really shinning like everyone expected isn't noticeable. Clearly even they recognize the problem.


I think you’re missing the part when Vasilevekiy outperformed every other goalie in the playoffs altogether. He literally only allowed 19 goals against both the Canadiens and Islanders. The series against the Islanders wasn’t a very high scoring series except for the one game the Islanders collapsed and lost 8-0. There was Canadiens key players that were injured but that wouldn’t have made a difference though. Montreal was never gonna beat Tampa Bay. They were carried by Carey Price even in the finals. Pittsburgh acquired Zucker because Guentzel had a broken collar bone and was supposed to miss the remainder of the season until covid happened. I keep finding it funny you keep bringing up 2019 and 2020. Those years no longer matter. Leave it behind. And let me just state this. If these teams in the past 10 years didn’t have their goalie, they wouldn’t be winning Cups. You’re offence doesn’t matter if the goalie sucks
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I think you’re missing the part when Vasilevekiy outperformed every other goalie in the playoffs altogether. He literally only allowed 19 goals against both the Canadiens and Islanders. The series against the Islanders wasn’t a very high scoring series except for the one game the Islanders collapsed and lost 8-0. There was Canadiens key players that were injured but that wouldn’t have made a difference though. Montreal was never gonna beat Tampa Bay. They were carried by Carey Price even in the finals. Pittsburgh acquired Zucker because Guentzel had a broken collar bone and was supposed to miss the remainder of the season until covid happened. I keep finding it funny you keep bringing up 2019 and 2020. Those years no longer matter. Leave it behind. And let me just state this. If these teams in the past 10 years didn’t have their goalie, they wouldn’t be winning Cups. You’re offence doesn’t matter if the goalie sucks


goalies tend to look great when they play inept teams. Which is the point you are missing here.
They didn't get Zucker due to jake. They got Zucker to give Malkin a winger they were desperately missing since they moved Kessel.
Many teams have won a goalie with a bad goaltender. Hell the penguins won with MAF. Before you go telling me he is good, I can show you year after year where that isn't true.
Yet in their 1st cup win with Crosby he was 0.908 in the playoffs and they won.
The goalie isn't what makes a winning team win. Many teams have won with a so so goalie. But all teams that have one tend to have one thing in common. They ability to put the puck in the net when it counts.
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goalies tend to look great when they play inept teams. Which is the point you are missing here.
They didn't get Zucker due to jake. They got Zucker to give Malkin a winger they were desperately missing since they moved Kessel.
Many teams have won a goalie with a bad goaltender. Hell the penguins won with MAF. Before you go telling me he is good, I can show you year after year where that isn't true.
Yet in their 1st cup win with Crosby he was 0.908 in the playoffs and they won.
The goalie isn't what makes a winning team win. Many teams have won with a so so goalie. But all teams that have one tend to have one thing in common. They ability to put the puck in the net when it counts.

And yet in the most clutch game of the year they final score was 2-1 for Pittsburgh and they had won the Stanley Cup. He made the saves when it mattered in that cup run and held on to leads for the wins. Even in 2009 for Pittsburgh, no Flower, no cup. Even so Flowers stats in 2009 was the only goalie as the starter on a cup winning team to post the bad statistics and yet because of him coming up with clutch saves in game 7 they won a Stanley Cuo 2-1. Which by your logic, Pittsburgh should’ve lost that game cause they didn’t score your minimum of 3 goals. Yet again making all your points all the more invalid to me. Honestly the trades in 2020 didn’t make too much sense to me. Zucker was an overpayment cause he defiantly wasn’t having a super great year. But I still thought he was an okay addition. Marleau was a trade I liked. Was hoping he was going to play a Matt Cullen. Trading for Sheary made no sense at all to me considering he fell out of favour with us.
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And yet in the most clutch game of the year they final score was 2-1 for Pittsburgh and they had won the Stanley Cup. He made the saves when it mattered in that cup run and held on to leads for the wins. Even in 2009 for Pittsburgh, no Flower, no cup. Even so Flowers stats in 2009 was the only goalie as the starter on a cup winning team to post the bad statistics and yet because of him coming up with clutch saves in game 7 they won a Stanley Cuo 2-1. Which by your logic, Pittsburgh should’ve lost that game cause they didn’t score your minimum of 3 goals. Yet again making all your points all the more invalid to me. Honestly the trades in 2020 didn’t make too much sense to me. Zucker was an overpayment cause he defiantly wasn’t having a super great year. But I still thought he was an okay addition. Marleau was a trade I liked. Was hoping he was going to play a Matt Cullen. Trading for Sheary made no sense at all to me considering he fell out of favour with us.


are we really going with, the stacked team won because of MAF.
Lets be honest he was never a great goalie. You can look at the BOS series later that was awful, but the worst part of that was the offenses inability to do anything with the puck.
MAF was never a great goalie. He was a playoff choker. But it's hard to blame losses on him when the offense didn't do much either. Which is the whole point.
So lets not pretend MAF won them a cup, he did not. Hell I think it was Staal who made the last desperate save. I don't know was a long time ago.
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are we really going with, the stacked team won because of MAF.
Lets be honest he was never a great goalie. You can look at the BOS series later that was awful, but the worst part of that was the offenses inability to do anything with the puck.
MAF was never a great goalie. He was a playoff choker. But it's hard to blame losses on him when the offense didn't do much either. Which is the whole point.
So lets not pretend MAF won them a cup, he did not. Hell I think it was Staal who made the last desperate save. I don't know was a long time ago.


Naaah Flower made that last save. But he did all he was able to hold Detroit to 1 goal in game 7. That’s pretty huge from Flower. I wouldn’t blame all the playoff runs on him. 2010 they seemed to be beaten by back to back finals runs. 2011 there was no Sid and Geno and yet they forced a game 7 against a team that went to the conference finals. 2012 the whole team just imploded. 2013 was his worst year. 2014 I don’t even know what the hell happened. They just seemed to quit playing after being up 3-1 in the series I think? 2015 was literally all Flower that year. 2016 he was yet again really good but got no playoff time due to Murray stealing the show. 2017 I feel like he could’ve kept playing but he had one bad game in the 3rd round and that was over for him sadly. But overall the term playoff choker doesn’t seem fitting to me. And there’s a reason why he has over 500 wins as a goalie. Look at him in Chicago. He’s been doing a lot of heavy lifting there for them. Speaking about 2013 from what I remember it seemed like Pittsburgh was afraid of Boston because of how much a dirty team they were. They weren’t able to overcome how dirty they play and the toughness they played with. But Boston to me that year wasn’t that good of a team. They were a team bailed out by goaltending quite a lot. Which is why they lost in the finals.
 
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