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Created by: DucharmetheDOMinator

Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: Jan. 3, 2022

Published: Jan. 3, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Realize I didn't write the Wright instead of right way.
These trades are also based on of who would want out from a rebuilt and who wouldnt

Trades

MTL

Fiala, Kevin
2022 2nd round pick (MIN)
2022 3rd round pick (MIN)

MIN

Harris, Jordan [Reserve List]
Toffoli, Tyler
2022 4th round pick (TBL)

MTL

Additional Details:

Probably sabres reject.

BUF

Hoffman, Mike
2022 3rd round pick (ANA)

MTL

Lucic, Milan
Zary, Connor
2022 2nd round pick (CGY)
2023 5th round pick (CGY)

Additional Details:

2nd and 5th is to compensate for lucics contract.

CGY

Gallagher, Brendan

MTL

2022 2nd round pick (NYR)
2022 4th round pick (WPG)

NYR

Armia, Joel

MTL

Bouchard, Evan
2022 1st round pick (EDM)
2023 3rd round pick (EDM)

EDM

MTL

Hronek, Filip

DET

Petry, Jeff
2022 2nd round pick (NYR)

MTL

Niemelä, Topi [Reserve List]
2022 1st round pick (TOR)
2023 5th round pick (TOR)

TOR

Chiarot, Ben

MTL

Bourgault, Xavier [Reserve List]
Keith, Duncan
Konovalov, Ilya
Koskinen, Mikko
2023 1st round pick (EDM)
2024 1st round pick (EDM)

Additional Details:

I know we don't know how Carey is going to be, but let's say he plays like his normal self till the trade deadline.

EDM

Price, Carey ($2,625,000 retained)

MTL

Francouz, Pavel
O'Connor, Logan
2023 1st round pick (COL)

COL

Allen, Jake ($1,437,500 retained)

10.

MTL

2022 3rd round pick (STL)
2022 4th round pick (OTT)
2023 2nd round pick (STL)

STL

Lehkonen, Artturi

11.

MTL

2022 3rd round pick (PIT)

LAK

Wideman, Chris

12.

MTL

2022 3rd round pick (NYI)

NYI

Kulak, Brett

13.

MTL

2022 3rd round pick (FLA)
2023 3rd round pick (FLA)

FLA

14.

MTL

Future considerations

ARI

Paquette, Cédric
2022 7th round pick (STL)

Additional Details:

ANYONE TAKE HIM

Buyouts

Karl Alzner: $1,958,333

Retained Salary Transactions

Carey Price: $2,625,000 (25%)
Jake Allen: $1,437,500 (50%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$66,294,772	$597,561	$2,325,000	$15,205,228

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Dvorak, Christian $4,450,000$4,450,000 C UFA - 4	Suzuki, Nick $863,333$863,333 ($537,500$538K) C UFA - 1	Caufield, Cole $880,833$880,833 ($300,000$300K) LW, RW UFA - 2
Fiala, Kevin $5,100,000$5,100,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Drouin, Jonathan $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 2	Anderson, Josh $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 6
Perreault, Mathieu $950,000$950,000 LW, RW, C UFA - 1	Poehling, Ryan $750,000$750,000 C, LW UFA - 2	O'Connor, Logan $725,000$725,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Byron, Paul $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Evans, Jake $750,000$750,000 C UFA - 1	Pezzetta, Michael $750,000$750,000 LW, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Romanov, Alexander $894,167$894,167 ($637,500$638K) LD RFA - 1	Savard, David $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD UFA - 4
Keith, Duncan $5,538,462$5,538,462 LD NMC UFA - 2	Hronek, Filip $4,400,000$4,400,000 RD RFA - 3
Clague, Kale $761,250$761,250 LD/RD RFA - 1	Bouchard, Evan $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 2	Koskinen, Mikko $4,500,000$4,500,000 G M-NTC UFA - 1
		Francouz, Pavel $2,000,000$2,000,000 G UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Vejdemo, Lukas $750,000$750,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1		Weber, Shea $7,857,143$7,857,143 RD UFA - 5
Lucic, Milan $5,250,000$5,250,000 LW, RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2
Hägg, Robert $1,600,000$1,600,000 LD UFA - 1

Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:01 p.m.

Gmonwy

GO FLAMES GO

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Only hab I am interested in is Toffoli(for Calgary)

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Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:05 p.m.

JackForHart

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no one’s giving a former first for Gallagher

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Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:05 p.m.

Gmonwy

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Quoting: Gmonwy

Only hab I am interested in is Toffoli(for Calgary)

Allen isn't worth that

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Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:06 p.m.

DucharmetheDOMinator

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The only player on Calgary that is comparable to Fiala is Tkachuk. Would you like the same trade with Minnesota just Tkachuk instead of Fiala?

Quoting: Gmonwy

Only hab I am interested in is Toffoli(for Calgary)

Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:08 p.m.

Gmonwy

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Quoting: HabsIsland

The only player on Calgary that is comparable to Fiala is Tkachuk. Would you like the same trade with Minnesota just Tkachuk instead of Fiala?

Tkachuk is significantly better than Fiala lol

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Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:08 p.m.

DucharmetheDOMinator

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Quoting: BlackwoodForVezina

no one’s giving a former first for Gallagher

Gallagher is better than Zary will ever be. And anyway how many teams sacrifice future for present

Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:10 p.m.

DucharmetheDOMinator

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Quoting: Gmonwy

Tkachuk is significantly better than Fiala lol

That is the exact point I was making. That is the price Toffoli is for. If not Calgary another team will pay that amount for him

Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:14 p.m.

OldNYIfan

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Welcome to CapFriendly. Sometimes, it's not too friendly, but don't let that discourage you.

I think that most of your trades overvalue the players on your favorite team. For example, I think the generally accepted trade value for Artturi Lehkonen is a third and for Brett Kulak is a fifth; Montembeault and Niku are barely worth a seventh. Chariot is not getting you a first and an A prospect and Detroit isn't trading their future #1RD for Jeff Petry. The Edmonton trade is an over-reach by Evan Bouchard.

Brendan Gallagher's contract is much, much worse than Milan Lucic's, in cap hit, term, and actual money. (Two and three seasons from now, he's getting paid a total of $17 million, and his contract runs for two years AFTER that.)

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Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:15 p.m.

DucharmetheDOMinator

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Quoting: Gmonwy

Allen isn't worth that

For the avs with Kuemper injured all the time you don't know what happens come playoff time. If you watched Habs hockey you would realize Allen is way better than stats show.
He also has 1 more year after this one on his contract. Plus 50% retained is for sure a first. Why does everyone on this site overvalue a first round pick. Both Calgarys and Colorados picks are gonna be late anyway

Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:16 p.m.

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Campabee

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Wow I didn't think our D could be worse than the current version but you somehow managed to destroy any hope of a quick turn around with this ACGM. Savard shouldn't even make the team yet you think he deserves top pairing minutes!

Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:16 p.m.

#11

rpain

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Wow is that Oilers trade terrible. Bouchard is still going to have defensive lapses as a 22YO dman but is still on an ELC and playing at a 15G 49P pace with minimal PP time. Why would they give him, a 1st, and a 3rd for a couple depth dmen? The picks should be going the other way.

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Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:17 p.m.

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Ledge_And_Dairy

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Quoting: HabsIsland

Gallagher is better than Zary will ever be. And anyway how many teams sacrifice future for present

Based on what?

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Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:20 p.m.

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GophersBenJ

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Minnesota isn't doing this! They aren't trading fiala for a winger, much less an older winger and a position thru don't need! They have matt boldy, Adam Beckman, connor dewar, etc... fiala is also much better than Tyler . MIN wouldn't be adding. Jordan Harris is nothing

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Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:21 p.m.

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Quoting: HabsIsland

That is the exact point I was making. That is the price Toffoli is for. If not Calgary another team will pay that amount for him

Not Minnesota. Fiala is a 1000 x better and Fiala is only available for top 6c

Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:28 p.m.

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DucharmetheDOMinator

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Based on what?

Watching Gallagher night in night out. Watching zary at wjc Watching highlights of zary and hearing and seeing scouting reports

Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:28 p.m.

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Fjordy

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Buffalo easy pass

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Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:30 p.m.

#17

DucharmetheDOMinator

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Quoting: Campabee

It's called rebuilding not improving

Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:34 p.m.

#18

DucharmetheDOMinator

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

Welcome to CapFriendly. Sometimes, it's not too friendly, but don't let that discourage you.

I think that most of your trades overvalue the players on your favorite team. For example, I think the generally accepted trade value for Artturi Lehkonen is a third and for Brett Kulak is a fifth; Montembeault and Niku are barely worth a seventh. Chariot is not getting you a first and an A prospect and Detroit isn't trading their future #1RD for Jeff Petry. The Edmonton trade is an over-reach by Evan Bouchard. Thx for the comment tho

Brendan Gallagher's contract is much, much worse than Milan Lucic's, in cap hit, term, and actual money. (Two and three seasons from now, he's getting paid a total of $17 million, and his contract runs for two years AFTER that.)

Gallagher is better than lucic which makes the difference. Lehky in analytics is 7th in selection. seider and Lindstrom are in Detroit so bring in petry to mentor them, Seider is even with Hronek the future #1rd. Niku is former ahl dman of the year. Edmundson is worth it for Bouch, but I'll take off the 1st bc it's a bit too much. Agree with you on kulak. But jo jo got a 6th so Monty should at least get a 4th

Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:36 p.m.

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DucharmetheDOMinator

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Fiala is going to walk from minny next year 100%. He went to arbitration this year I think. He will get traded. Harris is projected to be a 2nd pair dman.

Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:39 p.m.

#20

Campabee

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Quoting: HabsIsland

It's called rebuilding not improving

This is called decimating the team not rebuilding! These moves would mean our rebuild lasts 10+ years. This is ridiculous, name 1 team in the history of the NHL that moved almost an entire roster in one offseason!

Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:43 p.m.

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DucharmetheDOMinator

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Quoting: Campabee

First the rebuild is not finished yet, after this next year all the remaining old players will be off the team

Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:46 p.m.

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DucharmetheDOMinator

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Quoting: Campabee

FYI I never and still don't want a rebuild with this roster. There is too many good players of value on the team to trade. IMO Habs should start adding to make it better. But since every single fan starts yelling start the rebuild after every game loss. I just am saying don't rebuild but if you want to you'll have to do it this way

Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:48 p.m.

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Quoting: HabsIsland

Fiala is going to walk from minny next year 100%. He went to arbitration this year I think. He will get traded. Harris is projected to be a 2nd pair dman.

Minnesota is stacked at d, so no. Minnesota is also stacked at d prospect! Jordan Harris wouldn't even be any of Minnesota's top d prospect. Minnesota is fully stacked at d for years and years. It was Minnesota who took fiala to arbitration, not fiala, so you are wrong. Again, Minnesota is stacked at winger and only trading fiala for a top 6 c, otherwise no deal! They aren't taking any winger much less any long term winger contract they have zero need for

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Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:48 p.m.

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Quoting: HabsIsland

Fiala is going to walk from minny next year 100%. He went to arbitration this year I think. He will get traded. Harris is projected to be a 2nd pair dman.

Delete! Accidentally clicked 2x

Jan. 3, 2022 at 6:51 p.m.

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avs wouldnt trade Frankie for Allen..., when healthy Francouz is the better goalie, and you think you can get a 1st and Logan O'Connor? Yikes this is just some beyond Montreal homerism.

Do you even know how good O'Connor is?

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