Mrazek has only been in 3 games where the team played like **** yet he still came out with 2 wins.

If the teams plays better in front of him the numbers will go up

Koskinen though lets in to many softies

As for Ritchie, nah package him off for someone at the deadline rather than pay to move him for nothing

Do I think Koskinen is as bad as people think he is? No. Do I want to trade for Koskinen who currently costs more than Mrazek and is worse than him as opposed to moving him in the offseason and having more cap now? No. What if Mrazek turns around and puts up stellar numbers in the playoffs / rest of season? Even then we could still move him and get a better return

Is Ritchie really that bad? Leafs fans have been throwing him in trades like nothing. In the offseason I thought it was a great signing for Torontos top 6

Doesn't make sense for the Oilers to take on the remaining years of Mrazeks deal.

Oilers need a starter. Mrazek, Smith, and Koskinen are not that. None of them are reliable at this point. So the Oilers are better off letting Koskinens deal run out and build the goalie tandem in the offseason from scratch. Skinner is all but guaranteed the backup role as he is no longer waiver exempt. Given that, the Oilers will look at making a deal for a legitimate starter. If (and likely when given Hollands trade record) that doesn't work, we will look at the free agent options (which there aren't many great options). If free agency also fails, then maybe they look to pry a 1B level goalie from a team with cap troubles.

If the best availible option is Mrazek, the Oilers are in a lot of trouble.

He doesn't fit into the Leaf's playing style, hence he looks lost and confused, so either Keefe sucks as a coach or Dubas sucks as a GM or the player just plainly sucks.

The contract is trade proof, the guy is set to make $3.3 million next season, no team wants that, bottom feeding teams want a high salary cap hit but low cash payout player.

Dubas should not be thinking about moving an asset, be it prospect or mid Round pick, to make his problem go away.

Ritchie will have to be bought out next summer. At least the Kessel retained money is finally finished.

Mrazek is koskinen 2.0

It's not about how he plays in TOR. It's about clearing the cap to ensure we can sign Campbell after this year. It was a desperate contract by Dubas cause he wasn't sure Soup could stay healthy / continue to play so well. It's not a bad contract and he's still a good goalie, it's just a bad move by the GM.

As for Ritchie, I have no clue why Dubas would give him 2x2.5..........Kase woulda been a better bet at that cost. Ritchie never should have been more than a 1 year trial.

If ritchie did what he did in his final year with Boston 2.5x2 would have been great. But he just never adjusted to our playstyle and was not as productive on the PP. It sucks but every team goes through it from time to time (players not working out nor their contracts)

Toronto can afford Campbell's extension while also keeping Mrazek via buying out Ritchie and trading Kerfoot. By doing that they got space and can run a 22 man team

Cause I feel Ho-Sang is coming up for 2022-2023 season

Only better and does not allow softies or gets called out by their coach...

The problem is Holland doesn't seem willing to pay for a legit proven #1 goalie. He didn't even draft Wallstedt when Wallstedt basically fell into his lap.

There were plenty of goalies available last offseason like Grubauer, Ullmark and Andersen but he decided to re-sign Mike Smith. He could have had Nedeljkovic or Vanecek for some draft capital.

I rather give up a mid round pick than have dead cap from buying out Ritchie. The Leafs are trying to contend and cap space is precious.

Its 300k year 1, 1.1 mill year 2

Year 2 is the concern but by then cap will be 83.5mill

So that 1.1mill will be mostly eaten by the increase

Yup I 100% agree. Grubauer and Ullmark priced themselves out and quite frankly may have been good to avoid in hindsight. He did take a swing at Markstrom who ultimately took a similar deal In Calgary.
Nadelkovic was another huge miss. Especially considering he was on waivers right in the middle of our goalie shortage last season. Carolina literally took Forsberg from us. Holland passed on Nadeljkovic for Grosenick haha.
Wallstadt was an obvious miss too. Although it was a bit of a tough spot… it seems that most goalies take several years to develop. The Oilers can’t really afford to wait 4+ years for a goalie to be ready. But at the same time, the last team to win a cup without a *** grown goalie was Thomas with the Bruins, so obviously having cup winning goalie is almost always internally developed. But yea, Wallstadt was a big miss because he would be a lot easier to use in a move to acquire a goalie who’s further along instead of Boutgault.

It’s a tough spot because there is no longer a clear option. I don’t think anyone is confident in Holland’s ability to swing a deal for a young starter. And if he does, I don’t even want to imagine how badly he is going to overpay

Grubauer negotiated until late with the avalanche and then ended up signing with seattle so Holland didnt have a chance even. Ullmark would have been good but I would say Boston had the inside track on that one and didnt consider edmonton. I would have signed Andersen but remember his game was pretty poor the year before. Nedjelkovic could have easily ended up tanking like chris driedger as a relatively unproven goaltender. Vanachek is not a starting goaltender he is a backup and his SV% is below league average not much better than koskinen and probably about the same as a healthy mike smith.

Holland was in on markstrom and bid 6 million x 7 years but he didnt want to go to edmonton. Holland was in on Kuemper but colorado was suicidal in what they would pay to get him because they were scrambling.

Edmonton didnt pick wallstedt because he would never be ready fast enough and they need forwards too. They also have Stuart Skinner who is their own home grown prospect that will be their number 1 in a couple years.

In closing they are looking for an experienced goaltender who would be an improvement on smith and skinner not just a goaltender.

Agreed on Hosang for sure. But I'd rather trade Mrazek and find a more suitably contracted back up. I love how Kerfoot fits in on this team. But, with Hosang and hopefully Robertson being ready, he's most likely expendable.

What's your thought on value and term for Campbell?

For Campbell I think 5Mx5 is fair.

IMO targets are simple:
1) Gibson - If he's available, overpay
2) Drieger - if available, don't overpay, but seriously inquire
3) Fleury - band aid solution, but it gets you solid playoff experienced goaltending (and makes Connor Happy)
4) Holtby - expiring contract, having a decent year, experience
5) Ullmark - tough to swallow 3 more years, but an upgrade and will probably be available with Rask coming back and Swayman has earned his stay

Anything else would be desperation

I agree. I think term will be more important to him than total $$. I'm hoping for 4.5 x 5

I would honestly throw both Holtby and driedger out. Holtby has been wildly inconsistent and said he would never come to edmonton. Driedger doesnt have much more experience than skinner and all the analytics guys say his numbers were artificially high. Remember we have just ok goalies already and a good young goalie what we lack is consistency from a goaltender in his prime. i would love Ullmark, I dont think Gibson shakes loose if the ducks are in the playoffs.

If I was ANA, I wouldn't trade Gibson period. They've got a great young team and have a stellar goaltender with a solid contract.........but he keeps popping up in rumors, so he's gotta be the #1 target.
I really like Dreiger, and his contract isn't too bad.
Still can't believe Holland passed up on Wallstadt

I think Gibson might have requested a trade or something when he saw them going into a rebuild.

Well, they did it the right way.........gonna be a short rebuild with all that young talent

I think that was his value earlier in the year but he's been a stud. If the Leafs win the cup or he wins the Vezina he probably gets 6Mx6.