Thinking outside the box Shea Weber trade

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Weber is a negative value contract right now.

Arizona can get paid by other teams to reach the floor over the next couple years

Jan. 7, 2022 at 3:36 a.m.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Weber is a negative value contract right now.

Arizona can get paid by other teams to reach the floor over the next couple years

I highly disagree with this. LTIR deals right now are a major part in teams being able to get under the cap. They're rare, and come at a premium.

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Jan. 7, 2022 at 4:25 a.m.

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I highly disagree with this. LTIR deals right now are a major part in teams being able to get under the cap. They're rare, and come at a premium.

LTIR does not give cap space

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Jan. 7, 2022 at 4:48 a.m.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

LTIR does not give cap space

LTIR counts against the cap like any other contract, but allows you to exceed the upper limit. Arizona isn't concerned about the upper limit here. They want to use the non-relief value towards their cap to reach the floor.

Jan. 7, 2022 at 4:50 a.m.

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Quoting: ricochetii

Yes but there are plenty of teams willing to pay to get under the cap over the next couple years, so why would Arizona pay premium on a cap hit instead

Jan. 7, 2022 at 4:52 a.m.

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Yes but there are plenty of teams willing to pay to get under the cap over the next couple years, so why would Arizona pay premium on a cap hit instead

To save $18M. Big deal when you can't afford rent.

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Jan. 7, 2022 at 4:53 a.m.

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To save $18M. Big deal when you can't afford rent.

it's not saving 8M if they need that cap space within the next 6 years

Jan. 7, 2022 at 4:55 a.m.

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Edited Jan. 7, 2022 at 5:06 a.m.

After all of his fun with Canadian media, Kessel probably has Montreal on his no trade list. Probably wouldnt even want to have his contract laundered in canada. 😉

In all seriousness, Arizona should just simplify the trade and deal directly with NYR (or whoever the target team is) and maximize getting futures.

Jan. 7, 2022 at 6:24 a.m.

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I dont think Kessel waives for MTL. But not a bad outside the box idea.

Jan. 7, 2022 at 6:26 a.m.

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Quoting: Caniac2000

I highly disagree with this. LTIR deals right now are a major part in teams being able to get under the cap. They're rare, and come at a premium.

Lol. How does this myth still have so many people believing it's true.

I blame Frank Seravelli.

Or the Kucherov situation last year (which obviously doesn't apply here).

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Jan. 7, 2022 at 6:27 a.m.

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LTIR does not give cap space

It allows overage, which is important with so many teams pressed for cap space right now

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Jan. 7, 2022 at 6:29 a.m.

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Lol. How does this myth still have so many people believing it's true.

I blame Frank Seravelli.

It allows teams to go over the cap... did you forget when your Leafs did it with Horton, Lupul, Clarkson... etc?

Jan. 7, 2022 at 7:12 a.m.

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It allows overage, which is important with so many teams pressed for cap space right now

No thats not exactly how LTIR works

Jan. 7, 2022 at 7:23 a.m.

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It allows teams to go over the cap... did you forget when your Leafs did it with Horton, Lupul, Clarkson... etc?

Lol.....

Yeah, I remember, it's why I know how it works.

Look at TB today. How much does there active roster cost? Approx 81.5m or approx 88.5m? Seabrook's caphit is almost $7m, so if what you believe is actually true, then their active players should cost about 88.5m.

Let me know.

Jan. 7, 2022 at 7:44 a.m.

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The idea is to have a $5M player on LTIR, then add a $1M player, leaving you with an "extra" $4M. (For example)

Jan. 7, 2022 at 7:59 a.m.

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Quoting: ricochetii

The idea is to have a $5M player on LTIR, then add a $1M player, leaving you with an "extra" $4M. (For example)

That’s not how LTIR works.

Let’s say you’re sitting at 80M and then add Weber (let’s say 7M) you’re now at 87M. You place Weber on LTIR you’re back at 80M, net 0.

You’ve technically exceeded the upper limit but it’s net 0 return for your active roster.

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Jan. 7, 2022 at 8:26 a.m.

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The idea is to have a $5M player on LTIR, then add a $1M player, leaving you with an "extra" $4M. (For example)

Long story short. Teams can acquire LTIR players in order to hit the floor (see Ottawa recently).

Teams cannot acquire LTIR players to exceed the cap.

See TB active roster is at approx 81.5, not 88.5. Seabrook on LTIR is not providing them any cap advantages. They acquired him in order to fit rid of Johnson.

Jan. 7, 2022 at 8:32 a.m.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

it's not saving 8M if they need that cap space within the next 6 years

Are they actually going to need that cap in the next few years? Seems unlikely unless something big happens

Jan. 7, 2022 at 8:39 a.m.

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Are they actually going to need that cap in the next few years? Seems unlikely unless something big happens

Well are they going to need cap space for 6 years to reach the floor? Very unlikely. So sure if Weber was free or if Montreal was trying to unload his cap hit Arizona would take him at a cost but there is zero logic to Arizona paying for him

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Jan. 7, 2022 at 8:40 a.m.

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You're back at $80M, but you also have a pool of money to dip into to replace Weber.
$7M (Weber's contract) - $1.5M (Remaining cap space) = $5.5M LTIR pool. No?

Jan. 7, 2022 at 8:43 a.m.

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You're back at $80M, but you also have a pool of money to dip into to replace Weber.
$7M (Weber's contract) - $1.5M (Remaining cap space) = $5.5M LTIR pool. No?

No.

Teams can replace injured players. Example if Tavares was done for the season tomorrow, Leafs could grab an approx $11m player.

Teams cannot acquire a LTIR player to do this. As the amount spent on active roster will not change.

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Jan. 7, 2022 at 8:45 a.m.

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Well, it might be good idea the Weber to Arizona for Arizona to reach the cap floor, Arizona isn't paying the Habs for the pleasure. But Arizona shouldn't be planning to be at the cap floor for the next four years. Maybe they just want to start being good team and needing real cap on real hockey players soon.

Jan. 7, 2022 at 8:45 a.m.

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No.

Can you elaborate? If I have it wrong I'd like to know why.

Jan. 7, 2022 at 9:01 a.m.

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