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The Pens Only Need - Who makes sense

Created by: Mr_Gardoki
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 8, 2022
Published: Jan. 8, 2022
Team: 2021-22 Pittsburgh Penguins
Team Explanation
The only need for the Pens right now is an upgrade at back-up. I'm going to list some options, please tell me what you guys think takes to get him and please follow the following parameters:

-Pens will not be moving a 1st or 2nd, so if you feel that nixes said player, then just say that.
-Moving DeSmith out basically gives the Pens only $2M free coming back the other way.

Sorry fellow Pens fans, not bringing MAF back. It's really only a video game trade that brings him here.
Trades
1.
PIT
    Jake Allen 50% Retention
    MTL
      DeSmith + What to get 50% retention on Allen?
      2.
      PIT
        Halak (No retention needed)
        VAN
          DeSmith + What?
          3.
          PIT
            Holtby (No retention needed with DeSmith going back)
            DAL
              DeSmith + What?
              4.
              PIT
                Reimer (50% retention). I honestly am just throwing this one out there. I'm not sure what SJ's plans are since they're technically still in the mix, so if they're sellers at the deadline, would they move him?
                SJS
                  DeSmith + What if Reimer becomes available?
                  Buyouts
                  • Jack Johnson: $1,166,667
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                  ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
                  22$81,500,000$80,803,206$0$850,000$696,794
                  Left WingCenterRight Wing
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                  Guentzel, Jake
                  $6,000,000
                  LW, RW
                  UFA - 3
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                  Crosby, Sidney
                  $8,700,000
                  C
                  NMC
                  UFA - 4
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                  Rust, Bryan
                  $3,500,000
                  RW, LW
                  UFA - 1
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                  Heinen, Danton
                  $1,100,000
                  LW, RW
                  RFA - 1
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                  Malkin, Evgeni
                  $9,500,000
                  C
                  NMC
                  UFA - 1
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                  Rodrigues, Evan
                  $1,000,000
                  RW, C
                  UFA - 1
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                  Zucker, Jason
                  $5,500,000
                  LW, RW
                  NTC
                  UFA - 2
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                  Carter, Jeff
                  $2,636,364
                  C, RW
                  UFA - 1
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                  Kapanen, Kasperi
                  $3,200,000
                  RW
                  RFA - 1
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                  Aston-Reese, Zach
                  $1,725,000
                  LW, RW
                  UFA - 1
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                  Blueger, Teddy
                  $2,200,000
                  C, LW
                  UFA - 2
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                  McGinn, Brock
                  $2,750,000
                  LW, RW
                  UFA - 4
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                  O'Connor, Drew
                  $925,000
                  LW
                  RFA - 1
                  Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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                  Matheson, Michael
                  $4,875,000
                  LD
                  NTC
                  UFA - 5
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                  Letang, Kris
                  $7,250,000
                  RD
                  NMC NTC
                  UFA - 1
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                  Jarry, Tristan
                  $3,500,000
                  G
                  UFA - 2
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                  Dumoulin, Brian
                  $4,100,000
                  LD
                  NTC
                  UFA - 2
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                  Marino, John
                  $4,400,000
                  RD
                  UFA - 6
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                  DeSmith, Casey
                  $1,250,000
                  G
                  UFA - 1
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                  Pettersson, Marcus
                  $4,025,175
                  LD
                  UFA - 4
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                  Ruhwedel, Chad
                  $750,000
                  RD
                  UFA - 1
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                  Friedman, Mark
                  $725,000
                  LD/RD
                  UFA - 1
                  Taxi Squad
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                  Riikola, Juuso
                  $1,150,000 ($25,000)
                  LD
                  UFA - 1
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                  Domingue, Louis
                  $750,000 ($0)
                  G
                  UFA - 1
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                  Boyle, Brian
                  $750,000 ($0)
                  LW, C
                  UFA - 1
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                  Björkqvist, Kasper
                  $750,000 ($0)
                  LW
                  RFA - 1
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                  Simon, Dominik
                  $750,000 ($0)
                  RW, LW
                  UFA - 1

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                  Jan. 8 at 11:04 a.m.
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                  Agree that’s the primary need but not the only one. Another RHD is not far behind
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                  Jan. 8 at 11:07 a.m.
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                  Quoting: edeangel84
                  Agree that’s the primary need but not the only one. Another RHD is not far behind


                  I don't really see RHD as a need. People have been sleeping on Ruhwedel for years and he's been OUTSTANDING this year and not getting the recognition, and Friedman has also been awesome. The Pens are fine there.
                  Jan. 8 at 11:08 a.m.
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                  For the Van trade, if you add a late pick, I think that does it
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                  Jan. 8 at 11:09 a.m.
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                  Quoting: sedin33
                  For the Van trade, if you add a late pick, I think that does it


                  Yeah? I honestly would have thought more, but if that's really it then consider it done.
                  Jan. 8 at 11:13 a.m.
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                  Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
                  I don't really see RHD as a need. People have been sleeping on Ruhwedel for years and he's been OUTSTANDING this year and not getting the recognition, and Friedman has also been awesome. The Pens are fine there.


                  Outstanding and awesome are not the adjectives I’d choose for two guys who are adequate plug-ins. Also, if you are keeping two forwards who haven’t produced (Kap and Zucker), don’t play them on the same line. Kap needs to be with Geno
                  Jan. 8 at 11:30 a.m.
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                  50% on Allen would probably land a 2nd? Might need more to incentivize them to use a retention slot on a pretty fair contract when we have a few "immovable" ones that might require retention in the offseason
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                  Jan. 8 at 11:33 a.m.
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                  Quoting: edeangel84
                  Outstanding and awesome are not the adjectives I’d choose for two guys who are adequate plug-ins. Also, if you are keeping two forwards who haven’t produced (Kap and Zucker), don’t play them on the same line. Kap needs to be with Geno


                  Kapanen is on pace for 43 points. That's his career average and good production for a middle 6 winger. He has had some bonehead moments, but his overall body of work this season has been successful.
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                  Jan. 8 at 11:37 a.m.
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                  Halak is probably the best option given Vancouver is going to lean heavily on Demko down the stretch to get in the playoffs. Desmith and a 3/4 round pick would solidify this team.
                  Jan. 8 at 11:44 a.m.
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                  Allen is better than just a back up goalie, he proved it last year and this year again. EDM is the team that should go after Allen and it would cost a 2nd RD pick without retention
                  Jan. 8 at 12:08 p.m.
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                  I think fair value for Halak would be Desmith + 3rd. (Or less, TBH I don't know how good Desmith is).

                  With the Canucks back in the hunt I don't think it makes sense. Halak has been good for Vancouver in his limited starts. I think it's a bit of a crapshoot with goalies when they come to a new team/system. I don't think it's worth the risk for a late round pick.
                  Jan. 8 at 12:51 p.m.
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                  Sharks retaining half this year and next year on Reimer’s contract and taking Desmith will cost a 2nd minimum
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                  Jan. 8 at 12:55 p.m.
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                  Quoting: edeangel84
                  Outstanding and awesome are not the adjectives I’d choose for two guys who are adequate plug-ins. Also, if you are keeping two forwards who haven’t produced (Kap and Zucker), don’t play them on the same line. Kap needs to be with Geno


                  Take a gander at Ruhwedel's fancy stats and get back to me. Also consider that his partner is Matheson who's not easy to play with.
                  Jan. 8 at 12:56 p.m.
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                  Reimer at 50% retained will cost either a 2nd or Poulin.
                  Jan. 8 at 12:56 p.m.
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                  Quoting: glarson17
                  Sharks retaining half this year and next year on Reimer’s contract and taking Desmith will cost a 2nd minimum


                  Yeah, that's what I figured if they even move him this year at all.
                  Jan. 8 at 12:56 p.m.
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                  Quoting: gary_bettman
                  Reimer at 50% retained will cost either a 2nd or Poulin.


                  I'd give Poulin in a heartbeat. To be an honest Pens fan, Poulin is a trash prospect. Any Pens fan telling you otherwise is foolish.
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                  Jan. 8 at 2:08 p.m.
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                  Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
                  Take a gander at Ruhwedel's fancy stats and get back to me. Also consider that his partner is Matheson who's not easy to play with.


                  Yeah they don't need a RHD until Marino or Letang get hurt and then the team is trashed.

                  I think you severely underrate Matheson. He's the guy holding Chad up, not the other way around.

                  Doesn't matter anyway. This team needs help in the forward group if it's going to win a cup.
                  It's another year of the same ol same ol with this team. Trash PP that can't score a goal. Spare me the Malkin will fix it, he's had years too.
                  They will hit the playoffs, be unable to net goals. The excuses of "hot goalie" or "played well but didn't win" or "defense/goalie" will pour out.

                  But the reality will be they can't score like a team needs to in order to win a cup.
                  Jan. 8 at 3:18 p.m.
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                  Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
                  I'd give Poulin in a heartbeat. To be an honest Pens fan, Poulin is a trash prospect. Any Pens fan telling you otherwise is foolish.


                  His stock is certainly not what it was but he still has upside.
                  Jan. 8 at 3:21 p.m.
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                  Quoting: gary_bettman
                  His stock is certainly not what it was but he still has upside.


                  I mean, I guess his age still gives him some upside, but he should have been a man amongst boys his last season in the Q and it was pretty meh. He's bouncing between the 2nd and 3rd line in the AHL which isn't a great sign for someone of his pedigree. I won't argue though if that gets Reimer with 50% retention lol
                  Jan. 8 at 3:41 p.m.
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                  Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
                  I'd give Poulin in a heartbeat. To be an honest Pens fan, Poulin is a trash prospect. Any Pens fan telling you otherwise is foolish.


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