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Accepting 5 non Habs fans trade offers

Created by: F50marco
Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 12, 2022
Published: Jan. 12, 2022
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Don't shoot the messenger! None of these are my ideas nor "bias" Habs fans.

Went through 25 pages of AGM's and only accepted the trades that made some sense from both teams perspectives.
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. 2022 1st round pick (MTL)
ARI
  1. 2022 1st round pick (CAR)
2.
MTL
  1. Zaitsev, Nikita
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (TBL)
OTT
  1. Byron, Paul
  2. Savard, David
Additional Details:
From gavinray

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2994025
3.
MTL
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. Poulin, Samuel
  3. 2022 5th round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Anderson, Josh
  2. 2022 3rd round pick (CAR)
Additional Details:
From gpmack95

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2993280
4.
MTL
  1. Kokkonen, Mikko [Reserve List]
  2. Ritchie, Nick
  3. 2022 1st round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Chiarot, Ben ($1,750,000 retained)
  2. 2022 5th round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
From noobmaster69

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2990309
5.
CGY
  1. Toffoli, Tyler
Additional Details:
From Ollie79

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/541592
6.
MTL
  1. Koekkoek, Slater
  2. 2023 4th round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Kulak, Brett
Additional Details:
From jjkhairaELTE99

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2992586
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2022
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2023
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2024
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23$81,500,000$65,492,058$597,561$1,475,000$16,007,942
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
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UFA - 2
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$4,450,000$4,450,000
C
UFA - 4
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, LW
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UFA - 6
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW
UFA - 3
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
C
UFA - 1
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$750,000$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$875,000$875,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$2,343,750$2,343,750
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 5
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$2,875,000$2,875,000
G
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$637,500$638K)
LD
RFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$761,250$761,250
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RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$950,000$950,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
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$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 5
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$917,831$917,831
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
RD
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
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$950,000$950,000 ($0$0$0$0)
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0)
G
UFA - 1
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$1,750,000$1,750,000 ($625,000$625K$625,000$625K)
RW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LD/RD
UFA - 2

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Jan. 12, 2022 at 11:27 p.m.
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I just can’t see why the oilers would do that. I know you didn’t make that trade, so I am definitely not shooting you haha. Is Kulak really that much better than Koekkoek? I don’t think so, I personally rather just keep Koekkoek.
Jan. 12, 2022 at 11:40 p.m.
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Quoting: Nhl_oilers
I just can’t see why the oilers would do that. I know you didn’t make that trade, so I am definitely not shooting you haha. Is Kulak really that much better than Koekkoek? I don’t think so, I personally rather just keep Koekkoek.


Kulak is better than Koekkeok IMHO. Koekkoek isn't even an NHL regular at this point while Kulak has been a steady one for some time now. Regardless though, we're talking about a 4th round pick to upgrade the D a little. Ken Holland traded a 4th for Kulikov and a 4th for Green, so this really isn't that far fetched. I honestly think the Habs can get a 4th for Kulak without even having to take on a guy like Koekkoek so this meant to be to EDM's benefit. If it isn't than you can gladly keep Koekkoek also.
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Jan. 12, 2022 at 11:51 p.m.
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Stacking more LHD I see xD
Jan. 13, 2022 at 12:01 a.m.
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flames say nay
Jan. 13, 2022 at 12:05 a.m.
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Stacking more LHD I see xD


He's waiver fodder and can play both sides so no biggie.

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flames say nay


Not according to Ollie79!
Jan. 13, 2022 at 12:44 a.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Kulak is better than Koekkeok IMHO. Koekkoek isn't even an NHL regular at this point while Kulak has been a steady one for some time now. Regardless though, we're talking about a 4th round pick to upgrade the D a little. Ken Holland traded a 4th for Kulikov and a 4th for Green, so this really isn't that far fetched. I honestly think the Habs can get a 4th for Kulak without even having to take on a guy like Koekkoek so this meant to be to EDM's benefit. If it isn't than you can gladly keep Koekkoek also.


That’s fair, thanks. To be honest, I haven’t seen much of Kulak for a while, so I am just going off of what I have seen. I wouldn’t be upset if we did this trade, but I like Koekkoek. If we did either, I would be happy. I would like Chiarot though… if I was going to trade with the habs, I would get Chiarot, and maybe Allen depending on if Smith retires, and if we can’t get a better goalie. Of course I would like other players, but I don’t see Holland trading much… and a few other names I like a lot, would cost a lot to get!
Jan. 13, 2022 at 1:27 a.m.
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Value is probably close enough for these trades, but I'm not doing the Ottawa or Pittsburgh trades.

If I'm trading Savard, it's to drop the contract or to upgrade. No interest in having Zaitsev in his place, or really in trading Byron unless it's for a purpose (cap space is needed).

No desire to trade Anderson either. It's not too often we have that type of player, and I believe we can get more out of him. I'm not sold on Poulin or Kapanen being any better for us.
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Jan. 13, 2022 at 3:31 a.m.
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I see why you would accept that Pens trade... its a steal for MTL. The Pens dont have the cap to make that deal and they get absolutely robbed.
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Jan. 13, 2022 at 3:58 a.m.
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pit never does that... kappy is better then Anderson ...
Jan. 13, 2022 at 8:00 a.m.
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Ottawa says "Thank you, Come again".
Jan. 13, 2022 at 9:48 a.m.
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Quoting: Marcsnack
I see why you would accept that Pens trade... its a steal for MTL. The Pens dont have the cap to make that deal and they get absolutely robbed.


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pit never does that... kappy is better then Anderson ...


You guys aren’t saying that with a straight face right ?
Y’all complaining about resigning Kapanen if he asks for 4M+ while Anderson is worth is 5.5M
Jan. 13, 2022 at 9:54 a.m.
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You guys aren’t saying that with a straight face right ?
Y’all complaining about resigning Kapanen if he asks for 4M+ while Anderson is worth is 5.5M


anderson is NOT worth that plus I'd give 4 - 4.5 mil to kappy
Jan. 13, 2022 at 9:55 a.m.
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anderson is NOT worth that plus I'd give 4 - 4.5 mil to kappy


Anderson IS worth that right now but that contract might turn into a David Clarkson contract if he gets injured bad before the end or is contract
Jan. 13, 2022 at 9:57 a.m.
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Anderson IS worth that right now but that contract might turn into a David Clarkson contract if he gets injured bad before the end or is contract


as a player he is not and with his injury history... not good looking
Jan. 13, 2022 at 11:01 a.m.
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Value is probably close enough for these trades, but I'm not doing the Ottawa or Pittsburgh trades.

If I'm trading Savard, it's to drop the contract or to upgrade. No interest in having Zaitsev in his place, or really in trading Byron unless it's for a purpose (cap space is needed).

No desire to trade Anderson either. It's not too often we have that type of player, and I believe we can get more out of him. I'm not sold on Poulin or Kapanen being any better for us.


The Ottawa deal cuts cap and salary out on top of adding a 2nd round pick. Zaitsev can be bought out in the offseason. This way Habs just cut 7M in cap into 2.8M in cap and got a 2nd rounder out of it. Not to mention the actual salary saved. Habs lose 14M is future salary vs 9M but buying out Ziatsev will result in Habs only owing something like 7M with a 2.8M cap penalty for two years.

Habs are rebuilding, we don't need Byron nor Savard any longer and are both MB signings. No allegiance to Gorton.

When will Anderson be needed if we rebuild exactly? In 1-2-3-4 years time? He'll be in his 30's by that time and probably won't be as robust health wise as he is now, and he already isn't overly robust (ability to stay healthy) to begin with. Kapanen is only added to be traded so its former 1st round pick Poulin+ 5th+ (whatever we can get for Kapanen - which could end up being a couple decent assets). Just remember what we gave up to get Anderson. We're getting more back then what we paid.

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Ottawa says "Thank you, Come again".


Habs are more than happy with this deal IMHO so your welcome!
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Jan. 13, 2022 at 11:13 a.m.
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Quoting: Marcsnack
I see why you would accept that Pens trade... its a steal for MTL. The Pens dont have the cap to make that deal and they get absolutely robbed.


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pit never does that... kappy is better then Anderson ...


Well your gripe should be with noted Pit fan gpmack95, not me. Sticking Out Tongue

Although, I think you are seriously underestimating Anderson here. I don't think there is a single Habs fan that actually wants to trade him, what does that tell you? Despite his injuries and despite his cap hit. The only reason I would accept the above trade is because I'm assuming the Habs are rebuilding and wont be contending for some time so no point holding onto Anderson now. Otherwise, he would be one of safest players on the team.
Jan. 13, 2022 at 12:44 p.m.
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The Ottawa deal cuts cap and salary out on top of adding a 2nd round pick. Zaitsev can be bought out in the offseason. This way Habs just cut 7M in cap into 2.8M in cap and got a 2nd rounder out of it. Not to mention the actual salary saved. Habs lose 14M is future salary vs 9M but buying out Ziatsev will result in Habs only owing something like 7M with a 2.8M cap penalty for two years.

Habs are rebuilding, we don't need Byron nor Savard any longer and are both MB signings. No allegiance to Gorton.

When will Anderson be needed if we rebuild exactly? In 1-2-3-4 years time? He'll be in his 30's by that time and probably won't be as robust health wise as he is now, and he already isn't overly robust (ability to stay healthy) to begin with. Kapanen is only added to be traded so its former 1st round pick Poulin+ 5th+ (whatever we can get for Kapanen - which could end up being a couple decent assets). Just remember what we gave up to get Anderson. We're getting more back then what we paid.



Habs are more than happy with this deal IMHO so your welcome!


Makes sense with the added context.
I hate buyouts, but it wouldn't seem necessary, so Zaitsev could just be expensive depth. That's less of an issue.
Byron I kind of want to keep and re-sign cheaply once his contract expires. Character guy that likes it here and is a good team ambassador.

Anderson is tough. He's a threat for 20+ goals with a great toolset, but it seems that isn't quite acknowledged outside of Montreal yet. It's okay to say we gain value by moving him compared to Domi, but I feel like moving him now is leaving value on the table. I think he has a few great years ahead of him if we can optimize his usage, and will have more value down the road.
I'm okay with trading him in light of not competing for a few years, but I'd be very picky with the return.
Jan. 13, 2022 at 3:21 p.m.
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Quoting: ricochetii
Makes sense with the added context.
I hate buyouts, but it wouldn't seem necessary, so Zaitsev could just be expensive depth. That's less of an issue.
Byron I kind of want to keep and re-sign cheaply once his contract expires. Character guy that likes it here and is a good team ambassador.

Anderson is tough. He's a threat for 20+ goals with a great toolset, but it seems that isn't quite acknowledged outside of Montreal yet. It's okay to say we gain value by moving him compared to Domi, but I feel like moving him now is leaving value on the table. I think he has a few great years ahead of him if we can optimize his usage, and will have more value down the road.
I'm okay with trading him in light of not competing for a few years, but I'd be very picky with the return.


The buyout isn't necessary, simply to accumulate as much cap as possible but if we need a warm body to play, we can use Zaitsev for the remainder of his contract also. Byron can be resigned by the way. Going to Ottawa means he wouldn't need to move from Montreal. He could straight up go play in Ottawa for the final year and help them try to make the playoffs, he's from the area too, and then resign a cheap contract with the Habs the following season to round out his career.

I mean what is the alternative? Keep him and play him on a team that is in full rebuild and expect his results to....get better? If we're rebuilding, we're going to be a bottom feeder for a couple years. There won't be much opportunity to improve his value in the coming seasons and we have no idea what could happen in those coming seasons. What if he has another major shoulder surgery?

If the Habs AREN'T rebuilding, then Im all for keeping him. He's one of my faves on the team but good rebuilds take getting a ton of good picks and prospects all within a 2-3 year time frame. The longer you spread it out the long it takes to put it all together. If the Habs are rebuilding, its 100% or don't bother. There is no half-azzing a rebuild. Perfect example? Jeff Gorton's NYR. 17-18 start of rebuild...21-22 one of the best teams in the league. Sure they got lucky with Laf and Kakko but they also got rid of everyone. Nash, McDonagh, Zuccarello, Hagelin, JT Miller, Grabner, bought out Shattenkirk, and anyone else who had value while they had it. Only guy who they held onto, probably because he didn't want to leave was Lundqvist. I see some major similarities here with Price too.

Anyhoo, I'm ready for a full on, get rid of everyone with value, rebuild. I want to see a 10 year core of Suzuki, Wright, Caulfield, Guhle, Bedard (Hopefully), etc. I'm done with Gallagher's and Weber's. I want fast, high end skill to dominate this team in 3-4 years time.
Jan. 13, 2022 at 3:44 p.m.
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Moving Byron isn't the end of the world, but I think he has way more value as a positive influence through a rebuild than would ever happen in trade. Especially if Gallagher leaves and we are trading off other vets.
Jan. 13, 2022 at 4:37 p.m.
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Moving Byron isn't the end of the world, but I think he has way more value as a positive influence through a rebuild than would ever happen in trade. Especially if Gallagher leaves and we are trading off other vets.


The team will still have some vets on it. Price isn't being traded, Petry unless he has rebound season next year or for the second half of the season isn't being traded, Gallagher may just stay on as vet presence and defacto captain. We're not dressing a team of 22 years olds. There will be some vet guys on it to keep the kids in check. But like I said, I'm all for Byron being brought back as a vet to help the kids but not at the cost of moving out Savard and his contract while getting a 2nd round pick. I don't think Savard and Byron return a 2nd rounder otherwise so its a wasted chance at decent pick for no apparent reason. Not too mention the cap and salary savings.
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