Insanely hard pass from Detroit. The cost of retaining on Leddy alone is a high asset, let alone taking your cap dumps AND giving you Namestikov AND a 2nd.

Easy decline to the Wings trade. Not trading one of our best prospects for two rentals who most likely won't be any use to use since we won't compete for the cup soon, plus they could both leave via FA next year.

Its alot lol, I really want Wyatt Johnson if you cant tell, Im so sad we dont have him. Right handed Centerman, worth all the gold. And a couple guys that are ufas aint that big of deal. Would like Namestikov to sign back with the Wings.

Might be able to trade leddy for a 1st this yaer if you want. If thats makes you feel better?

Easily decline by the avs, they don’t need to sacrifice Barron and a pick to change ej to klingberg who might not even play In the avs top 4 when healthy

Add in the fact he’s a pending ufa who wants 8m aav, not loving Barron for a rental

No, the concept that a team who won't compete for the next few years and will probably miss the playoffs this year will give up high end assets for players who will bring in 0 value to change that doesn't make sense.

We will not give up pieces that will help with our re-tool for things that won't.

MTL: would you consider Garianov (or Fask) & Lindell (rental until we sign him)
for Petry, Hoffman (could be Armia or Lehkonen), 2nd?

It will secure a top RD in Petry sign for another 4 years at a decent cost

Petry for Klingberg is a very interesting conversation. Lindell will play 20 seasons as a Dallas Star..... maybe lol

Dallas could use some forward depth help. With having those Fin's theres a good chance the Habs and Stars make a deal. Gotta get them Fin's together.

Justin Barron and Kravstov are a step away from the NHL. Johnson can help replace Klingberg for the time being. If i can't get leddy to stay then I trade him and get a first round pick this year whatever it takes. I dont think this hurts the team too much and I really like how the stars are playing, very inconsistent and one line right now. But i think they have more to show us. I will not count out the Stars, Jets, Oilers, and Nucks for the playoffs, not today. Weird schedule and this are abnormal right now. See how the next 10 games go and when these teams start catching up in games played.

Klingberg a pending UFA that wants to get paid, who wouldn’t be on the PP in COL, doesn’t get you Barron in any situation. Seriously why would COL even be interested in him, I mean if he is free sure but adding a top 4 dman even with Byram’s issue is about the last thing to improve on their roster. Also are all other teams ACGM’s just looking to add Barron?

Ya the boys on the pod said the same thing. More or less they do this move to save the $6M of Johnsons contract next year. I understand that its not worth it but Ive seen GM's every year give up way to much to get the big deadline fish. Barron would be lovely for teh stars as they are limted to 0 RHD prospects that are playable in the next few years. This money off will help keep Kadri. Though I love how Johnson is playing and right now to me seems unlikely for him to move.

Like i said in the description, the condition has to be for the other side. Av's getting picks if they dont win the cup. Barron is a pretty valuable guy so i can understand why hes in trades, lol, being RH and all. If hes not involved im sure there something to be worked out in a klingberg Johnson deal.

that makes no sense, avs dont save 6m if they do this trade. They would have to replace EJ and Barron who would make up their D core next season. So you have to go out and spending on 2 UFAs...they dont save any money this way, all they do is trade away Barron then have to sign guys to more term to fill those rolls

People who dont know the avs assume EJs cap hit is an anchor, its not,

If the avs were really that hard up, they could buyout EJ who would have a 2m cap hit. People really over thing things

Stars aren’t giving up Wyatt for rentals just like Rado shouldn’t give up Barron for a rental

COL has zero need for Klingberg. If the Avs are healthy 100% he’s a third pairing pending UFA that wants to get paid. The Avs wouldn’t do Barron for Klingberg straight up, I mean come on you think COL trades their top prospect who projects as a top 4 RHD for rental when they have Makar, Toews, Girard and Byram? COL won’t spend a single asset looking to get a top 4 dman. In order of importance of what the Avs would be looking for: goalie(yes the Avs are trending to an area where maybe they consider making a move, they need a 3rd regardless, and no Kudobin isn’t of interest), depth dman (preferably a pk 6-7 guy), depth forward (ideally a pk machine that is great on face offs), a top 6 winger which then by default pushes Nichushkin down to the 3rd, a top 4 dman (as in incredibly unlikely unless they did something odd like Girard for Chychrun), top 6 center, MacKinnon AND Kadri are in the top 5 in ppg.

Detroit declines.

the main thing avs would look at for a Dman at this years deadline would be one that is a big time PKer....Klingberg does not do that. So avs make their PK even worth by moving EJ who is top PK dman for a guy who cant replace those minutes. You are going to make Makar take on more minutes by PKing? Thats not a very smart idea...you cant make Klingberg PK bc that will be a distaster for an already weak PK

Again sometimes guys really do not think through the simple things when it comes to working shopping trades, its not always about Cap space

Big no thanks from Drury

I’ll play a bit of devils advocate here. I think, depending on Byram’s status for the rest of the season (obviously lots of questions there), Colorado might look to add another puck-moving defenseman. The defense’s ability to drive play is a major part of their identity, and I think they like the option of a good puck-carrier on the 2nd and 3rd pair with Toews-Makar on the top pair. That said, I agree that Klingberg’s on-ice value to Colorado as a rental won’t be worth what it costs to get him. Similar to the Chyrchrun discussions, he wouldn’t have a big enough role on their current defense to justify the high price. They were rumored to be involved in Seth Jones talks last deadline but strictly as a rental, so you never know.

Honestly neither team accepts the Detroit trade. It's a hot mess.

COL saves money, go get someone to block shots for 1-2 mill not 6. Your right, more of a cap move for next year. Lets not pretend their defensemen actually play hockey!, not just sit back, and klingberg can play with the best of them. I can understand Barron being off the table, but adding klingberg and having the space to add another d and maybe even a forward. Also not have Johnson at $6M next year when you have Kadri to sign. Fututre wise i think this makes sense as GM's do give up for a playoff run. It happens every year. That trade helps them go for it and helps them cap wise next year. There is no losing to me, prospects and picks aside, Johnson for klingberg should work for both sides.

It's a little out in left field, no, foul territory. Was more of a fun one, way out of this world.

The question i have is, would it work to give someone else your trade chip so you can nab a guy they drafted? as lets say the other team wants a 1st in this years draft as they have higher hopes for a 20th pick this year than last year. Like i doubt itll ever happen as that would be too abnormal for the NHL.

you have had multiple avs fans say no it doesnt work. EJ fills a roll, he is over paid by todays standards but he fills a roll. What he does is a 4m Dman on the open market. We just say that with Suter. So no its not sign a 1-2m guy to block shots. That is not what EJ is as a Dman.

Avs D core doesnt get deeper int his trade, it gets weaker and less rounded.

EJ’s money is also more-or-less earmarked for MacKinnon in 2 years, as their deals expire at the same time. MacKinnon’s $6.3M + Johnson’s $6M = $12.3M starting point for a MacKinnon extension. They may have more flexibility in the short term, but they can’t go on a spending spree just because Johnson’s $6M is off the books.

COL has ZERO.... NEED for Byram, yet when he's healthy you play him! I love EJ the way hes playing and is playing a perfect role for them, and yes its unnecessary for them to go big game hunting for a top 4 d especially when it doesnt clearly make them much better, gives them cap for one or two guys this cup run.

Barron is heavy man for sure. him being off the table makes the deal alot more difficult cuz DAL has lots of LHD prospects and need a RHD badly if theres no Klingberg. DAL would pay up for Barron if the Av's would even consider letting him go. Klingberg is in the shadows with Makar there but i dont think thats a bad thing especially with whats going on with Byram.