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Klingberg isnt the guy you want to suplement Muzzin/holl at this point. He's basically a power play guy who is getting roughed up defensively pretty pretty bad and has been for a couple years. He's not worth the assets to the leafs.

Jan. 16, 2022 at 4:26 p.m.

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If you are asking Dallas to retain and take Ritchie I don’t see how you can’t give them a 1st now. Why would Dallas want that?

Sorry that was a formality. I read on Sportsnet that TO actually has more cap space than it appears on here due to accrued space. With Ritchie gone they have roughly 4 million in space for the remainder of the season. So they could do this without retaining but it won't show properly so I retained. Disregard the retention.

Jan. 16, 2022 at 4:28 p.m.

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Quoting: ZachHymanForTheHart

I agree that we don’t need to tamper very much.

I don’t agree that Klingberg is the play, though.

I think he fits like a glove in the system, I also am a firm believer that "defensive defenceman" aren't a real thing anymore. You need guys who can get the puck and get it the other way. Klingberg is sick in transition, he just plays in a system that doesn't do that. I think with Muzzin as his partner and Keefe's system he would be terrific.

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Jan. 16, 2022 at 4:36 p.m.

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Quoting: JaredOfLondon

I think that has a lot more to do with the system he plays in Dallas than anything else. The system he is in nullifies a lot of his skillset while in TO it would cater more to his skills.

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Jan. 16, 2022 at 4:58 p.m.

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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood

I think that has a lot more to do with the system he plays in Dallas than anything else. The system he is in nullifies a lot of his skillset while in TO it would cater more to his skills.

maybe, maybe not. but when a guy who is in the decline window and have played heavy heavy minutes for like a decade it's just as likely to be a physical break down. And that's before you factor in things like him being fed massive offensive zone starts for years too.

Jan. 16, 2022 at 5:10 p.m.

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That’s a pretty good read on the actual Klingberg situation. I would only add that he is a true beast in the playoffs and a clutch player.

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Jan. 16, 2022 at 5:35 p.m.

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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood

I did a post similar yo this a few days ago but had Holl instead of Ritchie. Ritchie is a really cheap buyout next year (300k) and Toronto likely has to move on from one of Holl/Dermott.

My trade had Raffl added as well but after discussion I think Kiviranta makes it fair

Holl/Dermott + 1st + Robertson for Klingberg (50%) + Kiviranta.

I also think Klingberg would be an excellent fit in a possession based team. And I dont think it would be like Barrie was as Klingberg is a more reliable puck mover and is excellent in the playoffs

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Jan. 16, 2022 at 5:50 p.m.

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The last thing the Leafs need on defense is Tyson Barrie

Jan. 16, 2022 at 6:03 p.m.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

I think Klingberg would fit like a glove in TO.

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Jan. 16, 2022 at 6:05 p.m.

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Quoting: MrDinkiee

The last thing the Leafs need on defense is Tyson Barrie

Barrie and Klingberg are not the same player. Also Toronto's other top 4 guy then was Cody Ceci, you have Brodie now who is leagues better

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Jan. 16, 2022 at 6:06 p.m.

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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood

I think Klingberg would fit like a glove in TO.

Here's my post if you want to read it, IMO I consider adding Klingberg similar to how Tampa went and signed Shattenkirk even though they had Hedman, Mcdonagh and Sergachev

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Jan. 16, 2022 at 6:11 p.m.

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Quoting: JaredOfLondon

Klingberg is still young and definitely not declining. I think just misused in a bad system. I think he would be far better in TO.

Jan. 16, 2022 at 6:12 p.m.

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Quoting: MrDinkiee

The last thing the Leafs need on defense is Tyson Barrie

I am sorry, am I missing a trade for Barrie here? We all know you don't like anyone with skill. Just cement heads who hit and can't skate.

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Jan. 16, 2022 at 6:15 p.m.

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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood

Klingberg is still young and definitely not declining. I think just misused in a bad system. I think he would be far better in TO.

He's gonna be 6 months away from 30 by the time the deadline rolls around and he has 100% been declining for a few years now and is basically a power play quarterback at this point. He might be better, but he's got a bigger chance of being older, slower more expensive tyson barrie

Jan. 16, 2022 at 6:17 p.m.

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Quoting: JaredOfLondon

He's gonna be 6 months away from 30 by the time the deadline rolls around and he has 100% been declining for a few years now and is basically a power play quarterback at this point. He might be better, but he's got a bigger chance of being older, slower more expensive tyson barrie

How is any of this relevant to Toronto?

Jan. 16, 2022 at 6:19 p.m.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

How is any of this relevant to Toronto?

well, they did trade a lot for him and then ended up not re-signing him for a reason

Jan. 16, 2022 at 6:20 p.m.

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Quoting: JaredOfLondon

well, they did trade a lot for him and then ended up not re-signing him for a reason

Who Barrie? With Klingberg that reason is cap space

Jan. 16, 2022 at 6:25 p.m.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Who Barrie? With Klingberg that reason is cap space

yes, with Barrie. And Klingberg has potential to be very similar in toronto because of what he is at this stage in his career. 29 year olds who look like they are declining usually dont bounce back to be elite players. He's been pretty brutal defensivly for a while and basically scoring half their points on the power play now. He's got all the signs of being a complimentary piece and not one you trade a ton for to play big mins in your top 4

Jan. 16, 2022 at 7:02 p.m.

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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood

I am sorry, am I missing a trade for Barrie here? We all know you don't like anyone with skill. Just cement heads who hit and can't skate.

Klingberg is literally another Tyson Barrie

Jan. 16, 2022 at 7:27 p.m.

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Quoting: JaredOfLondon

I think he'd be a great one year pickup. I wouldn't resign him unless it was an insane bargain.

Jan. 16, 2022 at 7:27 p.m.

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Klingberg is literally another Tyson Barrie

Just like Mayfield is another Gudbranson

Jan. 16, 2022 at 7:33 p.m.

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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood

I think he'd be a great one year pickup. I wouldn't resign him unless it was an insane bargain.

if he was cheap enough he's worth the chance for sure. But a 1st and a top prospect? no thanks

Jan. 16, 2022 at 7:41 p.m.

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