SalarySwishSalarySwish
Forums/Armchair-GM

3 way trade with DAL and ARI

Created by: Imagine875948
Team: 2021-22 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 17, 2022
Published: Jan. 17, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
PIT gets: Radulov (1 mil retained) + Gurianov + Crouse

DAL gets: Kapanen + Hallander + 2022 4th round pick (PIT)

ARI gets: Zucker + 2023 5th (PIT)
Trades
1.
ARI
  1. Zucker, Jason
  2. 2023 5th round pick (PIT)
2.
PIT
  1. Gurianov, Denis
  2. Radulov, Alexander ($1,000,000 retained)
DAL
  1. Hållander, Filip
  2. Kapanen, Kasperi
  3. 2022 4th round pick (PIT)
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
2023
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the TOR
2024
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$79,411,539$0$0$2,088,461
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$3,500,000$3,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$2,636,364$2,636,364
RW, C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$9,500,000$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Dallas Stars
$5,250,000$5,250,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Dallas Stars
$2,550,000$2,550,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$1,533,333$1,533,333
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$2,200,000$2,200,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$4,100,000$4,100,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$7,250,000$7,250,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$3,500,000$3,500,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$4,025,175$4,025,175
LD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$4,400,000$4,400,000
RD
UFA - 6
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$4,875,000$4,875,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$750,000$750,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$750,000$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$1,725,000$1,725,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$750,000$750,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$1,250,000$1,250,000 ($125,000$125K$125,000$125K)
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$725,000$725,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$925,000$925,000 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$1,150,000$1,150,000 ($25,000$25K$25,000$25K)
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$725,000$725,000 ($0$0$0$0)
C, RW
UFA - 1

Embed Code

  • To display this team on another website or blog, add this iFrame to the appropriate page
  • Customize the height attribute in the iFrame code below to fit your website appropriately. Minimum recommended: 400px.

Text-Embed

Click to Highlight
Jan. 17, 2022 at 5:51 p.m.
#1
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jun. 2019
Posts: 38,243
Likes: 19,510
What's Arizona's incentive here?
Jan. 17, 2022 at 5:52 p.m.
#2
Thread Starter
Pens are the best
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2021
Posts: 5,390
Likes: 1,691
Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
What's Arizona's incentive here?


They will need to get to the cap floor next year and they can flip him at half retained for a decent amount of value
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:03 p.m.
#3
Chiggy
Avatar of the user
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 1,796
Likes: 590
Quoting: Imagine875948
They will need to get to the cap floor next year and they can flip him at half retained for a decent amount of value


That sounds like more of an offseason move for the. Also, Zucker has trade protection and would have to be convinced to go.
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:04 p.m.
#4
arky
Avatar of the user
Joined: Aug. 2016
Posts: 6,699
Likes: 4,331
Quoting: Imagine875948
They will need to get to the cap floor next year and they can flip him at half retained for a decent amount of value


In this scenario Pitt needs to clear cap. If that is the case Arizona has cap space and will exact some form of incentive to take on cap. Even though they have to meet the cap floor they have alot of open spots and need to get to 63.5 or so to meet the floor. Their are many teams that need to clear cap and that being the case other teams will pay to clear cap and Arizona will get picks, prospects or a combination to take bad cap, just not take it for nothing.
Byrr liked this.
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:04 p.m.
#5
Thread Starter
Pens are the best
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2021
Posts: 5,390
Likes: 1,691
Quoting: Chigurrhh
That sounds like more of an offseason move for the. Also, Zucker has trade protection and would have to be convinced to go.


if they flip Zucker he would have more value now than next year
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:04 p.m.
#6
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jun. 2019
Posts: 38,243
Likes: 19,510
Quoting: Imagine875948
They will need to get to the cap floor next year and they can flip him at half retained for a decent amount of value


They will literally be paid to get to the cap floor this offseason. They should not have to pay to do it
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:05 p.m.
#7
Thread Starter
Pens are the best
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2021
Posts: 5,390
Likes: 1,691
Quoting: mikearky
In this scenario Pitt needs to clear cap. If that is the case Arizona has cap space and will exact some form of incentive to take on cap. Even though they have to meet the cap floor they have alot of open spots and need to get to 63.5 or so to meet the floor. Their are many teams that need to clear cap and that being the case other teams will pay to clear cap and Arizona will get picks, prospects or a combination to take bad cap, just not take it for nothing.


ARI can flip Zucker at half retained for a decent amnount of value
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:06 p.m.
#8
Thread Starter
Pens are the best
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2021
Posts: 5,390
Likes: 1,691
Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
They will literally be paid to get to the cap floor this offseason. They should not have to pay to do it


Like I said, they can flip Zucker at half retained for some prospects and picks
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:11 p.m.
#9
Chiggy
Avatar of the user
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 1,796
Likes: 590
Quoting: Imagine875948
if they flip Zucker he would have more value now than next year


They can't really do that this year. They can only retain salary on one more player for this season (they are already retaining on OEL and Kuemper) and it will probably be Kessel.
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:12 p.m.
#10
Thread Starter
Pens are the best
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2021
Posts: 5,390
Likes: 1,691
Quoting: Chigurrhh
They can't really do that this year. They can only retain salary on one more player for this season (they are already retaining on OEL and Kuemper) and it will probably be Kessel.


True,but they can still fip him at half retained for a decent amount
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:13 p.m.
#11
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jun. 2019
Posts: 38,243
Likes: 19,510
Quoting: Imagine875948
Like I said, they can flip Zucker at half retained for some prospects and picks


Then you can pay them to take Zucker because he serves little value to Arizona
Jrader17 liked this.
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:15 p.m.
#12
Thread Starter
Pens are the best
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2021
Posts: 5,390
Likes: 1,691
Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Then you can pay them to take Zucker because he serves little value to Arizona


Zucker doesnt have negative value. He's a very good player but just hasnt scored. He's done everything right but then cant score, its like he's been hit with a curse
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:16 p.m.
#13
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jun. 2019
Posts: 38,243
Likes: 19,510
Quoting: Imagine875948
Zucker doesnt have negative value. He's a very good player but just hasnt scored. He's done everything right but then cant score, its like he's been hit with a curse


Well then he has negative trade value. Like Lucic or Bailey.
Jrader17 liked this.
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:17 p.m.
#14
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jul. 2019
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 3,033
Quoting: Imagine875948
Zucker doesnt have negative value.


He does to Pittsburgh in this case. They need to move his cap to make this trade work. Arizona has the entirety of the leverage for this deal, it all falls apart without them taking on cap. You will have to pay them for them to be that broker.
mikearky liked this.
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:17 p.m.
#15
Thread Starter
Pens are the best
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2021
Posts: 5,390
Likes: 1,691
Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Well then he has negative trade value. Like Lucic or Bailey.


No he doesnt. @Mr_Gardoki please explain
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:21 p.m.
#16
Banned
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jul. 2018
Posts: 9,687
Likes: 4,536
Quoting: Imagine875948
No he doesnt. Mr_Gardoki please explain


Well, I'm kind in between what both of you are saying. I can't say Zucker has positive trade value, but I don't think he has negative trade value to the degree of Lucic or Bailey. At this point the Pens don't have to add sweetener to move Zucker, but they do need the right situation to move him. IMO, and I've already hashed this out with the guy you're talking to who doesn't seem to like any real stats or facts, but I believe a trade revolving around Zucker and Crouse has a mutual benefit.
Imagine875948 liked this.
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:22 p.m.
#17
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jul. 2019
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 3,033
Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
Well, I'm kind in between what both of you are saying. I can't say Zucker has positive trade value, but I don't think he has negative trade value to the degree of Lucic or Bailey. At this point the Pens don't have to add sweetener to move Zucker, but they do need the right situation to move him. IMO, and I've already hashed this out with the guy you're talking to who doesn't seem to like any real stats or facts, but I believe a trade revolving around Zucker and Crouse has a mutual benefit.


The problem with that is that the value Arizona would get in flipping Zucker would still be located in their cap space, their retention.
mikearky liked this.
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:23 p.m.
#18
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jun. 2019
Posts: 38,243
Likes: 19,510
Quoting: Imagine875948
No he doesnt. Mr_Gardoki please explain


Yes he does. He is not producing, is overpaid, and is signed for multiple years. Trade value and team value are not the same thing. For example would you trade Kapanen and a 2nd for Monahan right now? Would you even trade Kapanen alone for him? Monahan is still a good hockey player but is not producing. Monahan has more value to Calgary directly because if he bounces back then he is good for the team, however his current market value is awful
mikearky and Jrader17 liked this.
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:24 p.m.
#19
Banned
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jul. 2018
Posts: 9,687
Likes: 4,536
Quoting: Byrr
The problem with that is that the value Arizona would get in flipping Zucker would still be located in their cap space, their retention.


AZ still needs to reach the cap floor and they're losing 90% of their contracts this off-season, so they get an upgrade from Crouse and a solid player to build their roster. While I'm sure they're not super concerned with filling out the roster with all great players, they still want some good players. They get a good player in Zucker with limited commitment.
Imagine875948 liked this.
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:24 p.m.
#20
Thread Starter
Pens are the best
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2021
Posts: 5,390
Likes: 1,691
Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Yes he does. He is not producing, is overpaid, and is signed for multiple years. Trade value and team value are not the same thing. For example would you trade Kapanen and a 2nd for Monahan right now? Would you even trade Kapanen alone for him? Monahan is still a good hockey player but is not producing. Monahan has more value to Calgary directly because if he bounces back then he is good for the team, however his current market value is awful


Actually yes I would do Kapanen for Monahan lol
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:29 p.m.
#21
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jul. 2019
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 3,033
Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
AZ still needs to reach the cap floor and they're losing 90% of their contracts this off-season, so they get an upgrade from Crouse and a solid player to build their roster. While I'm sure they're not super concerned with filling out the roster with all great players, they still want some good players. They get a good player in Zucker with limited commitment.


Which they could also do for free in the offseason. There's no real value there to Arizona outside of flipping him and its the cap retention making that possible. Holding on to Zucker for next year would just lower his value if anything. No reason to expect he'll have a better season playing for a depleted Coyotes team than he has for the Penguins.
Jrader17 liked this.
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:29 p.m.
#22
arky
Avatar of the user
Joined: Aug. 2016
Posts: 6,699
Likes: 4,331
My problem is cap space is like gold. If they take him on they then have to retain cap to move him and it cost them money. Most teams will take cap for a price then they flip him for even more. They do not take on cap unless they need the player if it fails they then flip him. Again they will want something to take him or they walk and then Pens have to trad him and even pay some one else. Lastly, I am always saying they do not need him and they can flip him, well if he gets hurt then they can not flip him. All the risk is with Arizona, none with Pittsburgh and no team is going to take in that, becuase that is what gets GM's fired. Yes will they take him, sure for a 5th round pick and they give up a player, no. They could trade Crouse and get picks and then they could take on Zucker for a price and then flip him as you say and get even more.
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:32 p.m.
#23
Banned
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jul. 2018
Posts: 9,687
Likes: 4,536
I think what many people miss with is AZ is not everyone is going to want to play there since they're very much in super raw rebuild. They won't be able to attract high-end players even with overpaying. They will have to overpay for mediocre players and trying to accomplish that ALL through Free Agency is going to crazy hard because they literally only have three forwards under contract and three RFA forwards, one of which is Crouse, so either they overpay to keep Crouse or they move him and while they can probably get a 3rd for him, they will still have to find a FA to fill his spot which is much easier said than done in the video-game world of making trades and signings.
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:34 p.m.
#24
Banned
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jul. 2018
Posts: 9,687
Likes: 4,536
Quoting: Byrr
Which they could also do for free in the offseason. There's no real value there to Arizona outside of flipping him and its the cap retention making that possible. Holding on to Zucker for next year would just lower his value if anything. No reason to expect he'll have a better season playing for a depleted Coyotes team than he has for the Penguins.


I think you're oversimplifying how easy this is to do in the off-season. There's a limited number of players and if you think they're just going to go out so easily to find ten or eleven forwards that will not only help them reach the cap floor, but also WANT to come play there right now you're sorely mistaken and I swear I'm not trying to be rude here. This is just the reality.

AZ is not a destination for good players right now. It's unfortunately a destination for players who can't get jobs elsewhere and those players will not help you reach the cap floor.
Jan. 17, 2022 at 6:37 p.m.
#25
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jul. 2019
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 3,033
Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
I think you're oversimplifying how easy this is to do in the off-season. There's a limited number of players and if you think they're just going to go out so easily to find ten or eleven forwards that will not only help them reach the cap floor, but also WANT to come play there right now you're sorely mistaken and I swear I'm not trying to be rude here. This is just the reality.

AZ is not a destination for good players right now. It's unfortunately a destination for players who can't get jobs elsewhere and those players will not help you reach the cap floor.


I think you underestimate how easy it will be. They don't want to compete now, they are actively tanking. Their goal isn't to be good. Arizona is a destination for players in general. A nice, warm climate. Offer a free agent an extra million over his worth to play for them, easy. 'We'll give you extra money and a bigger opportunity than you'll see elsewhere then flip you to a contending team at the deadline.' is a pretty attractive offer.

We also saw how they just dealt with this in the last offseason without any problems at all. They ate cap from all over the league and got paid to do it. This is what the OP is asking them to do again just without the paying them part.
 
Reply
To create a post please Login or Register
Question:
Options:
Add Option
Submit Poll