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Team: 2021-22 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 18, 2022
Published: Jan. 18, 2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
25$81,500,000$80,835,301$669,339$1,757,500$664,699
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$750,000$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$12,500,000$12,500,000
C
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 7
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$5,125,000$5,125,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 8
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
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$1,175,000$1,175,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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$834,167$834,167 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
C
RFA - 1
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$850,000$850,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$1,175,000$1,175,000
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,600,000$5,600,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
NMC
UFA - 4
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$5,538,462$5,538,462
LD
NMC
UFA - 2
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$2,200,000$2,200,000
G
UFA - 2
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
RFA - 3
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$4,250,000$4,250,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$4,167,000$4,167,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
LD/RD
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Jan. 18, 2022 at 6:29 a.m.
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everyone accepts
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Jan. 18, 2022 at 6:43 a.m.
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I understand why Dallas might jump on that but why does Edmonton? Even if consider it a short term upgrade which I question its creating a hole in the line up for next year.
Jan. 18, 2022 at 6:51 a.m.
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Can't see Boston moving a goalie. They didn't sign ulmark by accident.
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Jan. 18, 2022 at 7:38 a.m.
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If this was all it took to get ullmark , it would have been done 2 weeks ago.
Jan. 18, 2022 at 7:40 a.m.
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I understand why Dallas might jump on that but why does Edmonton? Even if consider it a short term upgrade which I question its creating a hole in the line up for next year.


In my eyes, it doesn't create a hole; it frees up cap space and allows the team to reallocate said space into a position where it would be of more use. The point of signing Barrie in the first place was to avoid over-relying on Bouchard without having confirmed his capabilities first. Given what we've seen so far, I don't think that's a concern anymore. I believe the author's reasoning is as follows:

-Dallas gets a player similar to Klingberg at a rate that's much lower than his reported contract demands for another 2 years and a pick (whether they WANT such a player or not is question)
-Edmonton frees up much needed cap space for next year now that they know more of what they have in Bouchard while getting a bit of an upgrade on Barrie for the rest of the year

What this comes down to is how each person values each of Klingberg and Barrie. If you believe they're of similar quality, then I think it works. If you believe Klingberg is far better than Barrie or if you believe Barrie is valuable to the Oilers (like you do), then it doesn't.
Jan. 18, 2022 at 7:58 a.m.
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In my eyes, it doesn't create a hole; it frees up cap space and allows the team to reallocate said space into a position where it would be of more use. The point of signing Barrie in the first place was to avoid over-relying on Bouchard without having confirmed his capabilities first. Given what we've seen so far, I don't think that's a concern anymore. I believe the author's reasoning is as follows:

-Dallas gets a player similar to Klingberg at a rate that's much lower than his reported contract demands for another 2 years and a pick (whether they WANT such a player or not is question)
-Edmonton frees up much needed cap space for next year now that they know more of what they have in Bouchard while getting a bit of an upgrade on Barrie for the rest of the year

What this comes down to is how each person values each of Klingberg and Barrie. If you believe they're of similar quality, then I think it works. If you believe Klingberg is far better than Barrie or if you believe Barrie is valuable to the Oilers (like you do), then it doesn't.


Good post, but you haven't really answered his point, which was that the trade creates a hole at RHD next season. As there aren't any internal candidates for this position, what do you propose they do to cover this position next year that will save a whole ton of money?
Jan. 18, 2022 at 8:34 a.m.
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Quoting: BlackwoodForVezina
everyone accepts


Bruins couldn’t possibly have less interest in that crap.
Jan. 18, 2022 at 8:35 a.m.
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Can't see Boston moving a goalie. They didn't sign ulmark by accident.

Can definitely see boston moving a goalie. They should move a goalie. They shouldn’t move one good goalie for two crap goalies though.
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Jan. 18, 2022 at 8:35 a.m.
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I understand why Dallas might jump on that but why does Edmonton? Even if consider it a short term upgrade which I question its creating a hole in the line up for next year.

Inverse. Barrie is brutal. Negative value contract. Slam dunk for edmonton. Laughably bad for Dallas.
Jan. 18, 2022 at 8:46 a.m.
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Inverse. Barrie is brutal. Negative value contract. Slam dunk for edmonton. Laughably bad for Dallas.


What? Barrie is on a very reasonable contract. He just led all d in points a year ago having someone capable of that for only 4.5 million is a bargain. Who’s a d that has just as much of a proven track record that makes less? Most examples are costing double.
Jan. 18, 2022 at 8:57 a.m.
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Add a 1st to both to get to realistic. As is they just get laughed at.
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Jan. 18, 2022 at 9:02 a.m.
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What? Barrie is on a very reasonable contract. He just led all d in points a year ago having someone capable of that for only 4.5 million is a bargain. Who’s a d that has just as much of a proven track record that makes less? Most examples are costing double.


Points are fine. He’s a horrible defensemen though. Ever wonder why edmonton fans are so eager to ditch him?
Jan. 18, 2022 at 9:22 a.m.
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Inverse. Barrie is brutal. Negative value contract. Slam dunk for edmonton. Laughably bad for Dallas.


You say this as if Klingberg isn't similarly bad at defense.
Jan. 18, 2022 at 9:33 a.m.
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Good post, but you haven't really answered his point, which was that the trade creates a hole at RHD next season. As there aren't any internal candidates for this position, what do you propose they do to cover this position next year that will save a whole ton of money?


That's half of my point, though. The internal candidate for the position of "offensively skilled RD and PP QB" is Bouchard. If what you're asking is how do we fill the last RD spot, I don't think that's something I'm particularly worried about. While imperfect, they have 2 competent NHL RD in Bouchard and Ceci and a couple steady, low ceiling guys plying their trade in Bakersfield. What I'd look for in such a spot is a defensively-reliable, low cost RD that can cover for the young LD they have coming up.

If you limit the search to only right-shot D, names like Braun, Rutta, and Gudbranson come to mind if you want size; names like Stralman, Stecher, and Pysyk arise. If you broaden the search to include left-shot D, a variety of guys like Cole, Kukan, Maatta, Holden, and Zadorov might also be options. Some of these names are obviously more attractive than others and whether any of these players WOULD sign here or not is another question, but I don't think finding a capable 3RD would be difficult or cost prohibitive.

Though, this is the Oilers and they tend to make such things exactly that, so who the hell knows.
Jan. 18, 2022 at 9:42 a.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Points are fine. He’s a horrible defensemen though. Ever wonder why edmonton fans are so eager to ditch him?


Because they are proving to be foolish and acting out of desperation. They view bouch as a replacement for him even tho bouch hasn’t done anything to justify that yet and the short term memory in some fans who forget what happened to Shultz when we suddenly put all those expectations on him without the proper support. Trading Barrie doesn’t solve anything just hurts the team from a puck moving perspective. To solve the defensive issues maybe it’s best to look at the players we expect defensive play out of and figure out why they aren’t getting the job done. Lagesson nurse ceci keith russell those are the guys fans should be narrowing in on not Barrie. Anyone that expected Barrie to assume larssons role is completely out to lunch and that appears to be the case for a lot of oilers fans.
Jan. 18, 2022 at 9:46 a.m.
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You say this as if Klingberg isn't similarly bad at defense.


He isn’t. He isn’t good, and has regressed like crazy, but he isn’t that level of bad. I wouldn’t want the term on barrie’s contract.
Jan. 18, 2022 at 9:48 a.m.
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Because they are proving to be foolish and acting out of desperation. They view bouch as a replacement for him even tho bouch hasn’t done anything to justify that yet and the short term memory in some fans who forget what happened to Shultz when we suddenly put all those expectations on him without the proper support. Trading Barrie doesn’t solve anything just hurts the team from a puck moving perspective. To solve the defensive issues maybe it’s best to look at the players we expect defensive play out of and figure out why they aren’t getting the job done. Lagesson nurse ceci keith russell those are the guys fans should be narrowing in on not Barrie. Anyone that expected Barrie to assume larssons role is completely out to lunch and that appears to be the case for a lot of oilers fans.


Getting rid of Barrie will help the oilers. He’s flat out terrible. He has 8 even strength points in 34 games this year, and that’s with distributing the puck to the two best scorers in the league. He’s negative value.
Jan. 18, 2022 at 10:48 a.m.
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I’d want a better additional piece on top of Barrie. His production is falling off and you need the cap space long term. Just my two cents. I do think Barrie is a good option to replace Klinger, but I’d rather get more for Klinger elsewhere and try to pick Barrie up for a second and mid level prospect in the offseason
Jan. 18, 2022 at 2:05 p.m.
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Can definitely see boston moving a goalie. They should move a goalie. They shouldn’t move one good goalie for two crap goalies though.


They obviously planned swayman back to Providence for rask, and ulmark got a nmc because he knew this situation was likely. Should they move one,maybe, but in this situation swayman is the easy one to move but the one they'd least like to part with.
Jan. 18, 2022 at 2:20 p.m.
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Bruins couldn’t possibly have less interest in that crap.


dam it’s a joke…
Jan. 18, 2022 at 2:46 p.m.
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Quoting: Jfstompers
They obviously planned swayman back to Providence for rask, and ulmark got a nmc because he knew this situation was likely. Should they move one,maybe, but in this situation swayman is the easy one to move but the one they'd least like to part with.


I doubt they move one now, i can all but guarantee they’ll be aggressively looking into it in the off season. The nice thing about a goalie NMC is that it isn’t real 99% of the time. Tell them they won’t be a starter and they’ll waive.
 
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