Quoting: CMcAvoy73
None of what i used was opinion. It was all based in fact. Now, I’ll concede, there’s a chance that you’re right about everything here. Maybe the sharks are in great shape and all these prospects are going to be hall of famers some day. But can you see how from the outside, it kind of looks like homerism?
Hertl is elite! Well the evidence doesn’t really show that. He’s a good player, and he’s having a great season, but he’s only had one 50 point season, only one 30 goal season (same year), never gotten any award votes, not in the top 50 for points per games over the last 4 seasons, never lead his team in points, only one top 50 in goals or points over that stretch. I could go on and on.
But he’s going to get this unprecedented return you say. Why, everyone asks, thats never happened before? Because I want it to!
The last two years of drafts were awesome!!!! Even though no ones really impacted the NHL yet, and there’s no way to have any clue.
Just seems like you manage to spin everything into a great situation for the sharks
In reality deadline returns aren’t usually unprecedented, most 2nd round picks in the NCAA don’t wind up being impact players, and there’s way too many players that outpace Hertl offensively, and are better defensively for him to be elite.
never said HOF draft class,
by by all scouting takes the sharks have added a ton of quality talent in the last 2 drafts, but your right we are still 2-3 years from them making a serious impact at the NHL level and that’s when the we will see the truth.
i did say 1-2 very easily could be allstar caliber and 4-5 will be top 6/middle 6 guys
the only guy who could be a potential HOF is Eklund and even that’s a reach.
i have high hopes for my teams prospect so does every fan.
i also understand of the 6-8 guys i am high on if 4 make a substantial contribution to the team ( .5 ppg) i would be overjoyed.
i am not expecting a Crosby or McDavid from the sharks prospect pool, i am hoping for players similar to toffoli or strome or Kerfoot, or Goodrow out of our prospects not named Eklund.
Hertl is Elite and you can’t change my mind.
however I think our definitions of elite differ and that could be the issue.
your definition of Elite i feel is HOF worthy player and yes Hertl is not a HOF worthy player.
my definition of elite is top 15 in each category in any given year (LW, C, RW, LD, RD G) and I don’t think you could find 15 C who are playing better than Hertl right now.
and to your argument about 2nd round players, yes only about 40-50% of 2-4th round players ever play a game in the NHL and only about 15-20% are ever impactful players and maybe 2-3% ever wind up Elite or HOF status (if not less)
but the players the sharks picked in 2020 have all progressed really well and have shown NHL caliber skill. but that does not mean they will be NHL high caliber guys.
to me the sharks have 1 Prospects who i see making top line elite status (Eklund) and a few i see making it to the top 6 or at the very least middle 6 Bordeleau Coe and Robins. Weisblat Gushin could end up middle 6 to bottom 6
Reedy and Raska look like solid bottom 6 guys who could surprise.
excluding Eklund i would be shocked if we get more than 1-2 30 goal seasons and any more than 4-5 60+ point seasons from
any of those guys. but 30-50 point seasons from depth players is the difference between fringe playoff team and cup contender.