This is a lot of quantity but not much quality. Got to imagine a Marner trade would include a whole lot less names and 1 Eklund.

Actually I don't mind the concept. The worse part of the trade from the Leafs view is taking on that 4,25m bad cap for Lebanc. Leafs keep Kerfoot instead of Lebanc

Now can you do Marner for first and third, and you keep the rest.

Don't know if Phoenix does that deal without a better sweetener

Package would have to start with Timo Meier and Ferraro

You say so many wise things on here but then sometimes I just don't get you. This trade is garbage for TO. Nothing here helps the team. Marner is the best player by far and these picks may helps years down the road. It's all around a bad deal.

whatever TOR would accept for Marner the sharks should not offer. so this would be bad for both sides

Yep Marner is good, very good player, Can the Leafs spend 11m better to bolster their roster than one Marner? I say they can. And others like you, say no, keep Marner.
Thanks for voicing your opinion, ol' friend.

The only way they can spend 11 million better would be if they can get 2 elite players on bargain contracts. Which doesn't happen anymore really. Two depth guys making 5 million like a Hyman or Palat does not equal Marner. Elite players are so much better than other guys. And spending too much to keep doeth guys will make for a worse team.

That makes sense. But how about with that 11m...there is cap to sign Campbell (if it's a reasonable contract), sign Sandin long term instead of losing him to an offer sheet, and still have cap space.
Does four years of Campbell, four more years of Sandin, and cap for another player make more sense than having Marner for three seasons.? Those seem to be the options.....both are viable.

It can absolutely be done without trading Marner. Dubas will find a way. Also what has Sandin done to warrant anything more than a bridge deal? I think 2 years at 1.5 is a fair deal for him right now. Giving him 4-5 years would likely need 4 million and that is absolutely not a wise plan. Is he a top 4 defenceman right now? We'll see over the next couple of games with Muzzin out but I am not ready to bet that much yet. So realistically both Liljegren and Sandin should come in at less than 2 million for the next couple of years. The beauty is if they progress into top 4 defenceman worth building around you can use the money we are paying Muzzin and Brodie to give them raises on their 3rd contracts. Rielly is the leafs #1 and best defenceman. He's going to be that for quite a while yet which means Sandin will at best become the #2 LD and #2 PP qb. He so far has 2 PP assists on the season and 9 points total. So again what has he done to warrant any sort of larger contract?

Sandin is offer sheet eligible. Would some team offer him 4.2m X 5...which costs a second rounder and could the Leafs match? Liljegren not offer sheet eligible this season.

If the Leafs don't trade any of the top four forwards and top 3 Dmen....that's 53m in 7 players. Leaves 20m for 15m players. Sure it "can be done" but the team won't the same as this years team.

As a Sharks fan who went through 15 years of playoff disappointment in the Jumbo era -- take it from me: you don't want to go top-heavy at the expense of gutting your team of any depth. I know Leafs fans can empathize with the playoff exits of the last few years. That's a road you don't want to go down on. 4-line teams with some superstar power (Matthews Tavares Nylander aren't any slouches) can win a cup if they have an extra 11mil to spend on quality depth (or 6-7million extra with Labanc filling in Marner's role on offense). It's a 4-line league. Serious stanley cup contenders all have it and have had it throughout the last decade+. I say all this from a point of sincerity btw since Leafs are my #2 team.

Dubas has proven time and time again that he can find value in the bargain bin. I think our additions at the trade deadline will be minor this year because he may need to keep assets to help shed salary this offseason (Mrazek might have to be moved) but it is possible. Every year people say the same thing and every year it's been proven false.

As for Sandin, why would anyone offer that much up for Sandin? That is a crazy big risk. It could pay off but I haven't seen enough to warrant taking that risk on. We'll see how he plays over the next little bit here but he's not exactly blowing the doors off the barn. He's just solid, makes smart plays, have get hemmed into his own zone at times but still has a lot of growing to do. Dermott looked similar and never really progressed from that.

TO has good lines now. And no LeBlanc does not fill Marners role offensively. That makes your whole statement ridiculous. SJ didn't win because while being solid they were just always a little bit behind the teams that won. Luck I think had more to do with it than anything else.

Timing is going to be a big contributor to TO winning a cup or not. They are in a slaughter house division where they could win the president's trophy and still play a top 10 team in the league in the 1st round. Or be the 2nd best team and face a top 5 team in the 1st round. One of Florida, Tampa or TO is going to lose in the first round when a western team that would have missed the playoffs by 10 points in the east will get to the 2nd round.

Luck and timing bb