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Hard Retool

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Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 18, 2022
Published: Jan. 19, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$925,000
3$925,000
3$925,000
2$850,000
2$850,000
3$850,000
3$850,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,600,000
1$900,000
1$750,000
1$1,100,000
1$850,000
1$850,000
1$850,000
1$850,000
4$3,125,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$5,000,000
1$850,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. 2022 6th round pick (CGY)
Additional Details:
TDL 2021-2022 season
FLA
    Perreault, Mathieu

    depth move to ANY playoff team
    2.
    MTL
    1. 2022 1st round pick (TBL)
    2. 2023 3rd round pick (TBL)
    Additional Details:
    TDL 2021-2022 season
    TBL
      Ben Chiarot 50% retained
      3.
      MTL
      1. Hughes, Riley [Reserve List]
      2. 2022 1st round pick (NYR)
      3. 2022 2nd round pick (STL)
      Additional Details:
      TDL 2021-2022 season
      NYR
      1. Toffoli, Tyler
      2. 2022 3rd round pick (CAR)
      4.
      MTL
      1. Klefbom, Oscar
      2. Lavoie, Raphael
      Additional Details:
      Turris, Kyle

      TDL 2021-2022 season
      EDM
      1. Edmundson, Joel
      2. 2023 3rd round pick (TBL)
      Additional Details:
      Trade only happens if Ed returns and plays well leading up to the TDL.
      5.
      MTL
      1. 2022 1st round pick (MTL)
      ARI
      1. 2022 1st round pick (CAR)
      Additional Details:
      Check conditons on Dvorak trade
      6.
      MTL
      1. Lapierre, Hendrix
      2. Samsonov, Ilya [RFA Rights]
      3. 2022 1st round pick (WSH)
      4. 2022 2nd round pick (WPG)
      5. 2023 3rd round pick (WSH)
      Additional Details:
      Draft day
      WSH
      1. Price, Carey ($3,000,000 retained)
      Additional Details:
      MTL retains $3.0 M on the contract, ARI retains $3.0 M on the contract. WSH gets Price for $4.5M cap hit.

      This trade only happens on draft day if Price does come back sometime during the 2021-2022 season and shows he can still play.
      7.
      MTL
        Draft day
        ARI
        1. 2022 2nd round pick (WPG)
        Additional Details:
        3rd party team who retains $3.0M on the Price contract
        8.
        MTL
        1. Lafrenière, Alexis
        Additional Details:
        Draft day blockbuster

        Condition: NYR get any two 1st round picks except for the MTL one.
        NYR
        1. Armia, Joel
        2. Lehkonen, Artturi [RFA Rights]
        3. 2022 1st round pick (WSH)
        4. 2022 1st round pick (NYR)
        Additional Details:
        What else would it take besides two first round picks and Lehkonen to acquire Laffy ?
        Buyouts
        Retained Salary Transactions
        DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
        2022
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        Logo of the MTL
        Logo of the STL
        Logo of the MTL
        Logo of the ANA
        Logo of the MTL
        Logo of the TBL
        Logo of the MTL
        Logo of the MTL
        Logo of the CGY
        Logo of the MTL
        Logo of the STL
        2023
        Logo of the MTL
        Logo of the MTL
        Logo of the WSH
        Logo of the MTL
        Logo of the MTL
        Logo of the MTL
        Logo of the MTL
        Logo of the MTL
        2024
        Logo of the MTL
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        Logo of the MTL
        Logo of the MTL
        Logo of the MTL
        Logo of the MTL
        ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
        23$82,500,000$70,724,583$1,132,500$3,782,500$11,775,417
        Left WingCentreRight Wing
        Logo of the New York Rangers
        $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
        LW, RW
        RFA - 1
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $7,875,000$7,875,000
        C
        UFA - 8
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
        LW, RW
        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $5,500,000$5,500,000
        LW, RW
        M-NTC
        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $4,450,000$4,450,000
        C
        UFA - 3
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $5,500,000$5,500,000
        RW, LW
        M-NTC
        UFA - 5
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $3,400,000$3,400,000
        LW, RW
        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $6,500,000$6,500,000
        RW, LW
        M-NTC, NMC
        UFA - 5
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $4,500,000$4,500,000
        LW
        UFA - 2
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $750,000$750,000
        C, LW
        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $1,100,000$1,100,000
        LW, RW
        UFA - 2
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $1,700,000$1,700,000
        C
        UFA - 3
        Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $1,600,000$1,600,000
        LD
        RFA - 3
        $5,000,000$5,000,000
        RD
        UFA - 6
        $3,125,000$3,125,000
        G
        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $859,167$859,167 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
        LD
        RFA - 2
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $2,343,750$2,343,750
        RD
        M-NTC, NMC
        UFA - 3
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $2,875,000$2,875,000
        G
        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $3,500,000$3,500,000
        RD
        UFA - 3
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $925,000$925,000
        LD/RD
        RFA - 1
        ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $850,000$850,000
        LD/RD
        RFA - 1
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $7,857,143$7,857,143
        RD
        UFA - 4
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $850,000$850,000
        LW, RW, C
        UFA
        Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
        $4,167,000$4,167,000
        LD
        M-NTC
        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $750,000$750,000
        C
        UFA - 1
        Taxi Squad
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $850,000$850,000 ($0$0$0$0)
        LD/RD
        UFA
        Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
        $850,000$850,000 ($0$0$0$0)
        G
        UFA - 2

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        Jan. 19, 2022 at 12:29 a.m.
        #1
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        first nyr trade: deal
        second one: rangers aren't trading laf habs fans get over it
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 12:30 a.m.
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        Literally zero teams will give up half of that for Price.
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        Jan. 19, 2022 at 12:40 a.m.
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        Edited Jan. 19, 2022 at 12:45 a.m.
        TB has zero cap space for that
        AZ cash strapped AZ RETAINS $12,000,000 bhahahaha you better be sending them 2 top. Ten first round picks plus for that. Comical you think AZ RETAINS 12,000,000 in salary for a 2 bhahahaha that's funny I haven't laughed so hard in a long time thank you
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 12:43 a.m.
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        Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
        TB has zero cap space for that
        AZ cash strapped AZ RETAINS $12,000,000 bhahahaha you better be sending them 2 top. Ten first round picks plus for that


        No way this happens, but it would be interesting if they retained on Price and took Weber's contract, to a net difference of $0, while also coming in $10-12M under the cap (legally) as a result. XD
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 12:44 a.m.
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        Quoting: Rangers13232
        first nyr trade: deal
        second one: rangers aren't trading laf habs fans get over it


        Toffoli is worth a 1st max. Not with a prospect and a 2nd. No deal.
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 12:47 a.m.
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        Quoting: ricochetii
        No way this happens, but it would be interesting if they retained on Price and took Weber's contract, to a net difference of $0, while also coming in $10-12M under the cap (legally) as a result. XD


        How would that net zero they'd still have to pay the retention on price for the next 4 years?
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 12:51 a.m.
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        Get real Letang stays in Pittsburgh for 2 x $5,000,000 and that Lafreniere trade is a joke as none of those pieces get Lafreniere. And on what planet can the Cap afford Carey Price for 4 x $7.500,000 they don't have the cap space for Price.
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 12:53 a.m.
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        Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
        Toffoli is worth a 1st max. Not with a prospect and a 2nd. No deal.

        i'm not sweating over a 7th round pick w like 15 points in 3 years of college if they want him off our reserve list go for it
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 12:55 a.m.
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        Quoting: Rangers13232
        i'm not sweating over a 7th round pick w like 15 points in 3 years of college if they want him off our reserve list go for it


        2nd as well? Let's not be radical here if we don't need to be.
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 12:56 a.m.
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        Quoting: LucasRaymond23
        Get real Letang stays in Pittsburgh for 2 x $5,000,000 and that Lafreniere trade is a joke as none of those pieces get Lafreniere. And on what planet can the Cap afford Carey Price for 4 x $7.500,000 they don't have the cap space for Price.


        No their cost is only 4.5 because get this Cash strapp AZ RETAINS 4 years of $3,000,000 for a 2
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 12:59 a.m.
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        Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
        No their cost is only 4.5 because get this Cash strapp AZ RETAINS 4 years of $3,000,000 for a 2


        Even still they're going to be cap strapped, And zero chance of Arizona retaining on 4 years of Price. No team is going to retain for that many years without a 1st and 2nd round pick and a B prospect coming back
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 1:00 a.m.
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        Quoting: LucasRaymond23
        Even still they're going to be cap strapped, And zero chance of Arizona retaining on 4 years of Price. No team is going to retain for that many years without a 1st and 2nd round pick and a B prospect coming back


        I thought 2top ten picks
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 1:04 a.m.
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        Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
        Toffoli is worth a 1st max. Not with a prospect and a 2nd. No deal.


        I would pay a 1st and a 2nd for Toffoli. I dont yhink he gets more than that though
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 1:20 a.m.
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        Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
        How would that net zero they'd still have to pay the retention on price for the next 4 years?


        The contracts are equal length, but Weber's salary is about $24M lower than his cap hit in that time, so they would save that much actual cash while still getting an $8M cap hit. If they retained $3M on Price, they would still save $12M cash, but would have an $11M (ish) cap hit per season.

        Again, not happening, just interesting to think about.
        (Maybe net zero was the wrong way to phrase that. Zero dollars added might be more appropriate.)
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 1:20 a.m.
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        Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
        I thought 2top ten picks


        Yeah that would be the very minimal they'd accept, But still then i don't see Montreal giving up 2 top 10 picks without at least conditions met like top 5 protection.
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 6:27 a.m.
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        I think the going rate for retention is the Marleau deal. It was a 1st round pick for 6M cap dump. Now that’s over one year but it gives an idea as to what it would take to dump salary on another team. So I’m this example with Carey, if it’s 3M retained by Arizona but for 4 years, that’s 12M. As a rough estimate of what that retention would cost, it would like be something around 2 first round picks (so the 1st and Lapierre for example would go to Arizona) maybe a bit less since the per year retention is less so it’s a lot more manageable but it would cost quite a bit for a team to retain 12M even if it’s over 4 years
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 6:31 a.m.
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        As a habs fan I’d sign off on the Toffoli deal and the Chiarot deal. That would be great work!
        I wouldn’t do the Edmundson deal. I’d hold on, and I think Lavoie is a bust.
        Lafreniere trade wouldn’t happen…pipe dream
        Carey price trade, that’s a tough one. For sure nothing happens until he comes back and proves he can play. And even then I think that’s a pretty big haul for price and Arizona would need to be compensated handsomely to retain 3M over 4 years, there wouldn’t be much left over for us.
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 7:14 a.m.
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        Quoting: LucasRaymond23
        Yeah that would be the very minimal they'd accept, But still then i don't see Montreal giving up 2 top 10 picks without at least conditions met like top 5 protection.


        Quoting: ricochetii
        The contracts are equal length, but Weber's salary is about $24M lower than his cap hit in that time, so they would save that much actual cash while still getting an $8M cap hit. If they retained $3M on Price, they would still save $12M cash, but would have an $11M (ish) cap hit per season.

        Again, not happening, just interesting to think about.
        (Maybe net zero was the wrong way to phrase that. Zero dollars added might be more appropriate.)


        Be better for them to just take Seabrook from TB get a 7 million dollar cap hit completely insured no way they are retaining that much that cheap Detroit got a 4 to retain less than 500k and cash strapped AZ RETAINS 12 million for a 2 never happening
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 7:47 a.m.
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        I only looked at 2 proposals (Price to WAS and Laf to MTL) and wish I could unsee that

        What the hell is that Lafreniere deal? A cap dump, a bottom-6 defensive forward who sucks offensively and 2 late first round picks for the 1st OA pick form 18 months ago? I'm sure the Rangers would jump on that!


        Montreal medias have been trying HARD to tell the fanbase that a quick retool is IMPOSSIBLE, due to the number of long-term contracts overpaid vets. They have been trying to say to people to NOT expect the team to be able to trade everyone within a year. What does that mean? That a lot of players don't have any value, or barely any value.

        Some Habs fan : they continue to ask the moon for every player and make the whole fanbase look bad. I live here, not everyone is delusional. Please ignore these

        Quoting: glarson17
        Literally zero teams will give up half of that for Price.


        Half? You're generous

        Caps wouldn't give Samsonov alone for Price. Why would they give a much cheaper 24 y/o promising goalie for a guy 10 years older, who has a very long injury list history and would still have a 7.5 AAV (even with 3.0 retained) for 4 years?

        Caps are close to the cap, why would they ruin their situation to do that?

        Also, yeah, no one is going to give a Hendrix Lapierre's caliber prospect
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 9:49 a.m.
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        Why should Montreal consider the Edmundson deal exactly? Basically you are trading our best defensive D man for a prospect who could be a bust already, as there are concerns of Klefblom never returning. IF we trade Edmondson it will likely bring us a 1st + good prospect, not an injured player who may never play again and a possibly bust prospect. By this value we should be able to get Nurse for Vejdemo + Weber
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 9:57 a.m.
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        Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
        Be better for them to just take Seabrook from TB get a 7 million dollar cap hit completely insured no way they are retaining that much that cheap Detroit got a 4 to retain less than 500k and cash strapped AZ RETAINS 12 million for a 2 never happening


        I agree. I'm trying to point out the interesting way Weber's contract would nullify the retention cost if the contracts were combined, that's it.
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:07 a.m.
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        Jan. 19, 2022 at 11:47 a.m.
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        Quoting: ricochetii
        I agree. I'm trying to point out the interesting way Weber's contract would nullify the retention cost if the contracts were combined, that's it.


        Yeah it really doesn't. AZ was late paying bonuses for players,late on building rent (to the point they had 24 hours or get completely locked out including offices.) Late paying federal state and local taxes. These weren't mistakes by Bob in accounting. These were ohh s*** we don't have the money things.
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 12:46 p.m.
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        Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
        I would pay a 1st and a 2nd for Toffoli. I dont yhink he gets more than that though


        It's too much. He's not having a great season comparatively speaking to last year. LAK traded him for a 2nd and Madden around this production.
        Jan. 19, 2022 at 1:26 p.m.
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        Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
        It's too much. He's not having a great season comparatively speaking to last year. LAK traded him for a 2nd and Madden around this production.


        LAK trade is irrelevant as he was a pending UFA
         
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