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Bruins need a 2nd line C

Created by: MJP1502
Team: 2021-22 Boston Bruins
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 19, 2022
Published: Jan. 19, 2022
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They need someone like a David Krejci type player for the 2nd line C spot. Someone that can fit well with hall and pasta.
These are gonna be the lines when everyone is heathy
The 4th line can be switched around with Blidh ,Nosek ,Lazar ,Frederic and Steen
Vaakanainen has been playing very good. He's gonna be staying on the D pair
If this is Tuukka last year go big at the deadline and try to win the cup
John Moore trade is just to clear cap from the Hertl deal.

Let me know what you guys think of the trades if its too much or too less of a value.
Trades
1.
SJS
  1. Beecher, John [Reserve List]
  2. DeBrusk, Jake
  3. Senyshyn, Zach
  4. 2022 1st round pick (BOS)
  5. 2023 3rd round pick (BOS)
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  1. 2022 6th round pick (ARI)
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2022
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2023
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$80,464,008$1,956,507$582,500$1,035,992

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RW
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW
NMC
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
C
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LW, C, RW
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C, LW
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$750,000$750,000
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UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
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NMC
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NMC
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$725,000$725,000
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UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
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$750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0)
RD
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0)
C, RW
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$733,333$733,333 ($0$0$0$0)
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 5:38 p.m.
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sharks accept
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 5:40 p.m.
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Quoting: migsahoy
sharks accept


No they don’t
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 5:44 p.m.
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I wouldn't spend any futures if I was Boston. At a certain point you should realize you are an old horse falling back in the race as then retool. I don't see the Bruins keeping pace with the others in the division and Detroit is on the way up and not long after Ottawa will be on the rise as well.
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 5:47 p.m.
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Beecher projects as a 3rd liner at best, same with Senyshyn. DeBrusk is a 3rd line LW. A bunch of quantity over quality isn’t going to do it for San Jose
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 5:55 p.m.
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No they don’t


Why? All you ever say is that the sharks reject but you’ve never once given a reason based on the NHL trade market as to why
Jan. 19, 2022 at 5:57 p.m.
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- Remove everything but 1st
- Add Lysell

Now SJ accepts.
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 5:57 p.m.
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I think that’s a tad bit rich for Hertl, but not much. I would leave Debrusk out of it and move him elsewhere to recoup some of the draft capital.

The model here should be Hayes trade. An okay prospect (albeit further along than Beecher), 1st, and 4th.
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 5:58 p.m.
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Quoting: FunMustBeAlways
- Remove everything but 1st
- Add Lysell

Now SJ accepts.

Why is hertl worth that?
Jan. 19, 2022 at 6:09 p.m.
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Why is hertl worth that?


Duchene and Stone trades are the best recent comps

- Duchene retrieved a first and 2 B/C prospects as well as a 1st conditional on him re-upping with CBJ (which you can't do anymore but there's still value there)
- Stone retrieved a 2nd, a bottom-six player and (at the time) a top-20ish prospect in the league in Brannstrom

Prospect + pick is the going rate here based on comps and value wise, since Lysell isn't nearly at the level Brannstrom was at in 2019, the pick has to be higher than a measly 2nd. That 1st is gonna be late anyway so it's not like you're trading away a top-15 pick.




On top of that:

- Nick Foligno (who is trash compared to Hertl) got a 1st and two 4ths last year at the deadline
- David Savard (who is also decent but trash compared to Hertl) got a 1st, a 3rd and a 4th at last years deadline a well.
- Palmieri and 4 points from Travis Zajac cost a 1st
- A couple years before that, Taylor Hall fetched 18th overall, a good D prospect, a 3rd and a former 1st rounder in Nick Merkley
- And many more examples of lesser players getting rich returns




But as per usual you're probably gonna tirelessly refute everything I say no matter what so me writing this was likely a huge waste of my time.
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 6:15 p.m.
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Edited Jan. 19, 2022 at 6:51 p.m.
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No they don’t


Exceeds current reported asking price.

Fan base - ITS NOT ENOUGH

It funny when the trade finally does go through how far off the fan base was while impartial people on here tend to be close.

Be interesting to see how this one plays out. Keep in mind teams rarely get the asking price. It’s usually less.

Frankly I’m not sure he actually gets traded.

If he does my prediction. NYR 1st/Kravstov
Jan. 19, 2022 at 6:17 p.m.
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Exceeds current reported asking price.

Fan base - ITS NOT ENOUGH

It funny when the trade finally does go through how far off the fan base was while impartial people on here tend to be close.

Be interesting to see how this one plays out.

Frankly I’m not sure he actually gets traded.


How exactly does this exceed the asking price? I don’t see a top prospect here. The ask was a 1st, top prospect and a nhl ready player.
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 6:41 p.m.
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Exceeds current reported asking price.

Fan base - ITS NOT ENOUGH

It funny when the trade finally does go through how far off the fan base was while impartial people on here tend to be close.

Be interesting to see how this one plays out.

Frankly I’m not sure he actually gets traded.


I don't think Hertl will get moved. Lets be honest here Debrusk is a 4th liner. Senyshyn is a 4th liner. Beecher is a low B prospect. Your 1st is a low 1st. And somehow this gets you a guy that is top 10 in goal scoring, great 2-way, having a career year and is under 30 in his prime. This is pure delusion. The conversation begins with Lysell. It ends with the absence of Lysell. Period.
Jan. 19, 2022 at 7:04 p.m.
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Quoting: FunMustBeAlways
Duchene and Stone trades are the best recent comps

- Duchene retrieved a first and 2 B/C prospects as well as a 1st conditional on him re-upping with CBJ (which you can't do anymore but there's still value there)
- Stone retrieved a 2nd, a bottom-six player and (at the time) a top-20ish prospect in the league in Brannstrom

Prospect + pick is the going rate here based on comps and value wise, since Lysell isn't nearly at the level Brannstrom was at in 2019, the pick has to be higher than a measly 2nd. That 1st is gonna be late anyway so it's not like you're trading away a top-15 pick.




On top of that:

- Nick Foligno (who is trash compared to Hertl) got a 1st and two 4ths last year at the deadline
- David Savard (who is also decent but trash compared to Hertl) got a 1st, a 3rd and a 4th at last years deadline a well.
- Palmieri and 4 points from Travis Zajac cost a 1st
- A couple years before that, Taylor Hall fetched 18th overall, a good D prospect, a 3rd and a former 1st rounder in Nick Merkley
- And many more examples of lesser players getting rich returns




But as per usual you're probably gonna tirelessly refute everything I say no matter what so me writing this was likely a huge waste of my time.


But stone was a different category of player. Top five winger in the league without question. Elite defensively. Fantastic offensively. Back to back to back runner up for the selke (hertl has never received a single 5th place vote), top 12 in hart voting back to back to back years. Really not a good place to start the conversation.
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 7:18 p.m.
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But stone was a different category of player. Top five winger in the league without question. Elite defensively. Fantastic offensively. Back to back to back runner up for the selke (hertl has never received a single 5th place vote), top 12 in hart voting back to back to back years. Really not a good place to start the conversation.


Which is why the Sharks are paying less here than Vegas did for Stone. Hertls not stone but he’s elite at play driving and elite defensively to (though maybe not quite as much as stone). Plus he’s a center which stone isn’t. 🤷
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 7:22 p.m.
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Which is why the Sharks are paying less here than Vegas did for Stone. Hertls not stone but he’s elite at play driving and elite defensively to (though maybe not quite as much as stone). Plus he’s a center which stone isn’t. 🤷


If he’s elite defensively why has he never received so much as a fifth place selke vote?

He’s not elite at anything. He’s a very good player. He’ll get something like a 1st, 3rd, and a kicker
Jan. 19, 2022 at 9:08 p.m.
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If he’s elite defensively why has he never received so much as a fifth place selke vote?

He’s not elite at anything. He’s a very good player. He’ll get something like a 1st, 3rd, and a kicker


Hahahaa okay
Jan. 19, 2022 at 9:33 p.m.
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Hahahaa okay


They've also previously said that Hertl isn't a top 6 player on a good team...
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:15 p.m.
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They've also previously said that Hertl isn't a top 6 player on a good team...


Yeah pure and utter delusion.

Can’t change someone thinking if they already have their mind made up…
Jan. 20, 2022 at 12:40 a.m.
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Hahahaa okay


It was a question. Do you have an answer for it?

Totally open to discussion and being shown that I’m wrong.
Jan. 20, 2022 at 3:24 a.m.
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It was a question. Do you have an answer for it?

Totally open to discussion and being shown that I’m wrong.


I already answered your question in my other response:

Quoting: FunMustBeAlways
Hertls not stone but he’s elite at play driving and elite defensively too (though maybe not quite as much as stone).


I said he was elite defensively but NOT quite to the caliber of Stone. You can be elite without being top-5 in a given category. Stone’s on another level of selke play with guys like Kopitar and Bergeron. Plus “selke candidate” was never a description used for Hertl. You can be elite defensively without being a top-5 selke guy.
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I already answered your question in my other response:



I said he was elite defensively but NOT quite to the caliber of Stone. You can be elite without being top-5 in a given category. Stone’s on another level of selke play with guys like Kopitar and Bergeron. Plus “selke candidate” was never a description used for Hertl. You can be elite defensively without being a top-5 selke guy.


It’s just tough for me to believe he’s elite without ever having gotten any recognition for his defensive play. Nick paul got a vote last year. McDavid did too. Hyman. Couture has gotten some. There are people that vote on this who’s only job is to follow the sharks. If he’s elite, why hasn’t he ever gotten so much as a fifth place vote?
 
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