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Initial Creation Date: Jan. 21, 2022
Published: Jan. 21, 2022
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Injuries have ruined the season for the Canadiens. No one is going to deny that. Do you think with hindsight that the Habs should have just matched the KK offersheet? They could have still pursued Dvorak (although it would have to have been done with other cap arrangements) but do you think that letting KK go was a mistake now that you've seen his growth this year? I'm just curious. This isn't meant to troll or take shots either, I'm genuinely curious.
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Jan. 21, 2022 at 10:34 a.m.
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I'm still smiling every time I see Kotkaniemi on the scoresheet, but he'd never have the success he's having right now on the Canadiens, not under Ducharme. Dvorak has also been pretty good after a rough start, he's quickly creating some chemistries.
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Jan. 21, 2022 at 10:39 a.m.
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No way the Habs would have wanted to allow KK to be a UFA, because they wouldn't qualified him at 6.1m. So the Habs did the right thing getting a first and third plus cap space for KK. Even if KK does not resign with Carolina, the Canes just might be happy having him for a year as a rental.
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Jan. 21, 2022 at 10:45 a.m.
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Well KK wouldn't be doing nearly as good if he was on the Habs most likely
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Jan. 21, 2022 at 10:51 a.m.
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Quoting: SevenLeg
I'm still smiling every time I see Kotkaniemi on the scoresheet, but he'd never have the success he's having right now on the Canadiens, not under Ducharme. Dvorak has also been pretty good after a rough start, he's quickly creating some chemistries.


I wish I was this mature. Every time he scores, I tweet out that he would lead the Habs in goals because I'm petty. I really appreciate your maturity.
Jan. 21, 2022 at 10:51 a.m.
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everyone saying he wouldn't be doing as good doesn't realize hes getting 12 mins a game in Carolina and would be getting closer to 20 mins in MTL.

The answer is obvious, we should've matched.
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Jan. 21, 2022 at 10:51 a.m.
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Offersheets are one thing, what he signed was mocking the team. You can't match that, and you don't want a player that agrees to such crap on your team. Just like his "4" in the playoffs, KK showed he thinks he's above the "Team" concept.
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Jan. 21, 2022 at 10:55 a.m.
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everyone saying he wouldn't be doing as good doesn't realize hes getting 12 mins a game in Carolina and would be getting closer to 20 mins in MTL.

The answer is obvious, we should've matched.


I didn't want to be the one that pointed it out, but he's playing a 4th line role in Carolina...
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Jan. 21, 2022 at 11:05 a.m.
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I didn't want to be the one that pointed it out, but he's playing a 4th line role in Carolina...


Hell I could put up numbers on the fourth line in Carolina. Team’s stacked.
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Jan. 21, 2022 at 11:12 a.m.
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Hell I could put up numbers on the fourth line in Carolina. Team’s stacked.


I highly doubt that, and I don't really wanna test that right now... 5 years ago, for sure. Not right now thanks.
Jan. 21, 2022 at 11:15 a.m.
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I highly doubt that, and I don't really wanna test that right now... 5 years ago, for sure. Not right now thanks.


I dunno…I was pretty good in my high school league
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Jan. 21, 2022 at 11:20 a.m.
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I didn't want to be the one that pointed it out, but he's playing a 4th line role in Carolina...


Big difference playing 4th line on a team that is rolling, and seeing PP time (at least in the games I have noticed) than playing 3C on a team that has imploded.

Aside from that, Habs can't match an offersheet designed to insult them. It wasnt a fair deal, and the Aho jab.
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Jan. 21, 2022 at 11:26 a.m.
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Big difference playing 4th line on a team that is rolling, and seeing PP time (at least in the games I have noticed) than playing 3C on a team that has imploded.

Aside from that, Habs can't match an offersheet designed to insult them. It wasnt a fair deal, and the Aho jab.


He's on the 2nd PP unit, but rarely. All of his goals and 6 of his 9 assists have come at even strength. He's on pace for 20-20-40... could you not have figured out a way to use a 21 year old putting up those kind of numbers?
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Jan. 21, 2022 at 11:29 a.m.
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Not really. Kk will top out at a middle 6 centre. They dont make 6.1 million. Once he signed that offersheet he basically garunteed he would be a bad contract .

Even before the summer he had problems with the coaching staff. They tried to get him to go to a skating coach he wouldnt do it, tried to get him to workout with the prospect group he wouldnt do it.

As far as any production goes too i would wait till the end of the season before patting him on the back as he crashed and burned every year in the second half.

Rookie year 2 goals 8 poibts in his last 25 games.

2nd year 3 points last 15 games

3rd year 0 goals 4 points last 24 games.

He turned out not to be a building block player.
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Jan. 21, 2022 at 11:30 a.m.
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Quoting: MarcBergevin69
everyone saying he wouldn't be doing as good doesn't realize hes getting 12 mins a game in Carolina and would be getting closer to 20 mins in MTL.

The answer is obvious, we should've matched.


My sentiments exactly, I said from the moment the OS was tendered that the Habs should match. Not just because of his upside but also because we just let Danault walk, letting 2 top 6 forwards walk in one offseason and only replacing one with Dvorak was always going to be a recipe for disaster. I also love watching KK score, even though he is no longer a Hab he is still my favorite player right now.
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Jan. 21, 2022 at 11:35 a.m.
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Big difference playing 4th line on a team that is rolling, and seeing PP time (at least in the games I have noticed) than playing 3C on a team that has imploded.

Aside from that, Habs can't match an offersheet designed to insult them. It wasnt a fair deal, and the Aho jab.


The only part of the OS that was designed to insult them was Aho’s number and KK’s number in MTL being added to get 35 at the end of the cap hit. The only reason the Canes ended up resorting to the OS was because MTL didn’t want to trade KK, in which the proposed trade the Canes gave was a 1st, 3rd, and a prospect of MTL choice who isn’t named Jarvis. The Habs would have gotten more if they traded KK. The OS was just the secondary means of acquiring KK. You can look at it and say the Habs were caught playing checkers when the Canes were playing chess. This year he is playing 4C, but next year KK very likely ends up as our 2C. When the Canes went through their Covid stretch in December, KK stepped up his game when he got put into the top 6. With Trocheck likely leaving, KK gets his chance in the top 6 and he probably won’t look back.
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Jan. 21, 2022 at 11:37 a.m.
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Not really. Kk will top out at a middle 6 centre. They dont make 6.1 million. Once he signed that offersheet he basically garunteed he would be a bad contract .

Even before the summer he had problems with the coaching staff. They tried to get him to go to a skating coach he wouldnt do it, tried to get him to workout with the prospect group he wouldnt do it.

As far as any production goes too i would wait till the end of the season before patting him on the back as he crashed and burned every year in the second half.

Rookie year 2 goals 8 poibts in his last 25 games.

2nd year 3 points last 15 games

3rd year 0 goals 4 points last 24 games.

He turned out not to be a building block player.


Shockingly, most 18/19/20 year olds aren't... he needs to be developed. He's got 2C upside, 100%. He just needs help getting there. He won't figure it out on his own
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Jan. 21, 2022 at 11:45 a.m.
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Shockingly, most 18/19/20 year olds aren't... he needs to be developed. He's got 2C upside, 100%. He just needs help getting there. He won't figure it out on his own


Sure you can be extremely optimistic but he has historically been a mr october player. Even right now for all the praise he is getting he isnt doing better statistically than he was the previous 3 years at this point in the season. He would hover around .5 ppg till about the 35-40 game mark then nosedive. Until he doesnt a few years in a row i personally dont believe im him
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Jan. 21, 2022 at 11:49 a.m.
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I am not sure if the Mistake was losing KK or more Danault... but at the END you simply can't lose both.
But Bergevin was to stubborn with is big Ego... and didn't turn out well.
Jan. 21, 2022 at 11:54 a.m.
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Hell no. I'm glad KK is gone, not because I don't like KK, the person, but because it is one of the main reasons to what led to MB being fired and that was more important.
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Jan. 21, 2022 at 12:11 p.m.
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Hell no. I'm glad KK is gone, not because I don't like KK, the person, but because it is one of the main reasons to what led to MB being fired and that was more important.


Why the dislike for KK as a person?
Jan. 21, 2022 at 12:41 p.m.
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He's on the 2nd PP unit, but rarely. All of his goals and 6 of his 9 assists have come at even strength. He's on pace for 20-20-40... could you not have figured out a way to use a 21 year old putting up those kind of numbers?


of course, but not one that is willing to sign a contract that disses his team.
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Jan. 21, 2022 at 1:00 p.m.
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I'm perfectly fine with KK being gone. He'd be destroyed in Montreal by being elevated into a role he wasn't prepared for, playing in a system that is not suitable for his style, and his value would have plummeted anyway.
Jury isn't out on Dvorak yet either. He's had a rough start to his time in Montreal, but he's coming in at a good time. With old management and (hopefully) coaches gone, he'll see significant improvement (imo).

The only thing I'm certain of, is that KK wasn't worth $6.1M and never would have been. Maybe now he has a chance. Don't care if it's somewhere else.
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Jan. 21, 2022 at 1:28 p.m.
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Quoting: MarcBergevin69
everyone saying he wouldn't be doing as good doesn't realize hes getting 12 mins a game in Carolina and would be getting closer to 20 mins in MTL.

The answer is obvious, we should've matched.


I really don't think he would get that icetime. They'd find a way to play Vejdemo, Dauphin, Belzile over him.
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Jan. 21, 2022 at 8:40 p.m.
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Why the dislike for KK as a person?


Oops. I misspoke, meant to say "I don't dislike KK, the person". lol
Jan. 21, 2022 at 10:19 p.m.
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Oops. I misspoke, meant to say "I don't dislike KK, the person". lol


That makes more sense. I was gonna say, he seems like such a nice guy
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