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Do the Penguins want out of the Zucker contract

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Initial Creation Date: Jan. 28, 2022
Published: Jan. 28, 2022
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I'm curious if Pittsburgh fans think they will have to pay to get rid of Zucker.

I think the Canucks would have interest and swapping Ferland gives Pittsburgh some extra flexibility next year to re-sign Letang, Malkin, rust etc.

Canucks take on a cap hit here but Zucker would fit in well enough for a season and the Canucks won't have to operate in LTIR next season.

This trade would be an offseason trade I'd assume.
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It's just a question so let's be civil in the comments.
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Jan. 28, 2022 at 6:07 p.m.
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Pens should accept my Drouin offer for Zucker instead
Jan. 28, 2022 at 6:08 p.m.
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Thats a no from PIT. We shouldnt have to pay to get rid of him. He started picking up his game before he got injured again
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Jan. 28, 2022 at 6:09 p.m.
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I'm definitely beating a dead horse here, but the Pens aren't paying to get out of Zucker's contract. They really don't need to. Yeah, his scoring hasn't been great and he's not worth his $5.5M, but he's been playing very good hockey and only has one year left.

Plus, coming from our very own GM, he's not paying for teams to take our players, so there's that. Also he said he's only interested in hockey trades, not cap dumps.

That said, I think this would be a smart move for the Pens, but it won't happen.
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Jan. 28, 2022 at 6:14 p.m.
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This makes no sense for the Canucks. Having Ferland on LTIR means little to their cap, but having a 5.5m non value Zucker on the cap does.
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Jan. 28, 2022 at 6:14 p.m.
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Not sure how Vancouver affords Zucker or wants him
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Jan. 28, 2022 at 6:20 p.m.
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Thats a no from PIT. We shouldnt have to pay to get rid of him. He started picking up his game before he got injured again


Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
I'm definitely beating a dead horse here, but the Pens aren't paying to get out of Zucker's contract. They really don't need to. Yeah, his scoring hasn't been great and he's not worth his $5.5M, but he's been playing very good hockey and only has one year left.

Plus, coming from our very own GM, he's not paying for teams to take our players, so there's that. Also he said he's only interested in hockey trades, not cap dumps.

That said, I think this would be a smart move for the Pens, but it won't happen.


I think this is just a cap dump cuz Ferland is on LTIR, so it’ll be a move worth considering since PIT needs to resign Geno, Letang, Rust, Rodrigues & Heinen.
Jan. 28, 2022 at 6:28 p.m.
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I honestly don't care either way. I don't think it's going to happen, but he has been fairly expensive for what he has provided. I honestly think he's been unlucky this season. He's had recent injury issues, but was very good in that one game between them. That's a very small sample size, but you never know. Nearly every week, he's on the bottom 10 JFresh releases in Goals Above Expected, meaning that he's had some good scoring opportunities that he just hasn't finished. Whether that's a condemnation of his shooting ability or his luck is probably a matter of debate, but I interpret it as meaning his offensive presence is still there, even if it isn't on the scoresheet.
I just think Pittsburgh shouldn't try to rock the boat too much with how successful the team has been so far.
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Jan. 28, 2022 at 7:07 p.m.
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This makes no sense for the Canucks. Having Ferland on LTIR means little to their cap, but having a 5.5m non value Zucker on the cap does.


Having Ferland on LTIR is not ideal. Canucks can't accrue capspace through out the year while operating under LTIR. Rutherford and co have made a point that to be above the cap limit and a middle of the pack team is not good and they would like to create a cap cushion. So ideally they don't want to use LTIR space which means they'd just have ferlanda 3.5m counting against the cap. In this situation they have more counting against the cap but you're at least getting a roster player out of it and not giving up assets. It would essentially be like signing Zucker to a 1yr 2million dollar deal.
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Jan. 28, 2022 at 7:08 p.m.
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I think this is just a cap dump cuz Ferland is on LTIR, so it’ll be a move worth considering since PIT needs to resign Geno, Letang, Rust, Rodrigues & Heinen.


Yep I'm not suggesting any other assets are involved in this trade. Just curious in general I'd Pittsburgh thinks they would be able to get out of the majority of zuckers contract a different way and without giving up assets.
Jan. 28, 2022 at 7:10 p.m.
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I honestly don't care either way. I don't think it's going to happen, but he has been fairly expensive for what he has provided. I honestly think he's been unlucky this season. He's had recent injury issues, but was very good in that one game between them. That's a very small sample size, but you never know. Nearly every week, he's on the bottom 10 JFresh releases in Goals Above Expected, meaning that he's had some good scoring opportunities that he just hasn't finished. Whether that's a condemnation of his shooting ability or his luck is probably a matter of debate, but I interpret it as meaning his offensive presence is still there, even if it isn't on the scoresheet.
I just think Pittsburgh shouldn't try to rock the boat too much with how successful the team has been so far.


Ya this type of deal would be an offseason deal most likely. Unless Pittsburgh was doing it in season go clear space for a bigger move at the deadline but that is highly unlikely.

It would essentially clear 5.5m off the books next year for Pittsburgh.
Jan. 28, 2022 at 7:12 p.m.
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Not sure how Vancouver affords Zucker or wants him


See my other comment above for my explanation.
Jan. 28, 2022 at 7:19 p.m.
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Having Ferland on LTIR is not ideal. Canucks can't accrue capspace through out the year while operating under LTIR. Rutherford and co have made a point that to be above the cap limit and a middle of the pack team is not good and they would like to create a cap cushion. So ideally they don't want to use LTIR space which means they'd just have ferlanda 3.5m counting against the cap. In this situation they have more counting against the cap but you're at least getting a roster player out of it and not giving up assets. It would essentially be like signing Zucker to a 1yr 2million dollar deal.


Your explanation really doesn't make sense. If Ferland is on LTIR...the Canucks still can spend 81.5m (this season) on active players. Make the trade Canucks have 5.5m plus 76m for to spend
Jan. 28, 2022 at 7:29 p.m.
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Your explanation really doesn't make sense. If Ferland is on LTIR...the Canucks still can spend 81.5m (this season) on active players. Make the trade Canucks have 5.5m plus 76m for to spend


If Canucks have Ferland on LTIR they can spend 81.5m yes but they won't be able to accrue cap space throughout the season. Having Abbotsford so close makes it really easy to accrue cap space. So to be able to accrue cap space with Ferland they can actually only spend 78mil.

If they trade Ferland for Zucker they now have 76mil to spend correct. But you're getting a middle 6 roster player with speed and versatility that Allvin and Rutherford target before. And you essentially have him on a 2million dollar contract because ferlands 3.5 was going to sit there in dead space.

Edit: this does nothing for the Canucks this season. It's an offseason idea.
Jan. 28, 2022 at 8:15 p.m.
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The Pens should do it in my opinion
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Jan. 28, 2022 at 8:19 p.m.
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Its a good idea from Canucks standpoint. They have to pay Ferland if he is on IR or not. Penguins can use LTIR, Vancouver is unlikely to use it. Like Clarkson, Hossa trades.

There would probably have to be other pieces for League approval.
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Jan. 29, 2022 at 12:11 a.m.
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Your explanation really doesn't make sense. If Ferland is on LTIR...the Canucks still can spend 81.5m (this season) on active players. Make the trade Canucks have 5.5m plus 76m for to spend


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If Canucks have Ferland on LTIR they can spend 81.5m yes but they won't be able to accrue cap space throughout the season. Having Abbotsford so close makes it really easy to accrue cap space. So to be able to accrue cap space with Ferland they can actually only spend 78mil.

If they trade Ferland for Zucker they now have 76mil to spend correct. But you're getting a middle 6 roster player with speed and versatility that Allvin and Rutherford target before. And you essentially have him on a 2million dollar contract because ferlands 3.5 was going to sit there in dead space.

Edit: this does nothing for the Canucks this season. It's an offseason idea.


Any thoughts?
Jan. 29, 2022 at 8:41 a.m.
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Any thoughts?


A few years ago, the Leafs had Lupul and Horton on LTIR all season. 5.25m per player or 10.5m total. That 10.5m was not "dead cap" The Leafs were able to spend 10.5m on other player to have "active" players to go to the cap limit. Obtaining Zucker over Ferland doesn't really save a team 3.5m in total cap space, if they are going to spend to the limit away. Just sign a UFA for or pay your own players (if you have to) that 3.5m
Jan. 29, 2022 at 11:13 a.m.
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I would take this if I was PIT.
I am not expecting a huge return on Zucker either way. If they simply moved him like this so be it.
I do think he has value as a player, but I'm not splitting hairs on it when I know he's not really fit in.
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Jan. 29, 2022 at 11:41 a.m.
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A few years ago, the Leafs had Lupul and Horton on LTIR all season. 5.25m per player or 10.5m total. That 10.5m was not "dead cap" The Leafs were able to spend 10.5m on other player to have "active" players to go to the cap limit. Obtaining Zucker over Ferland doesn't really save a team 3.5m in total cap space, if they are going to spend to the limit away. Just sign a UFA for or pay your own players (if you have to) that 3.5m


I don't think you are understanding what accruing cap space means. Leafs operated in LTIR that whole season. The cap is calculated on a daily basis so every day that you are below the cap you can actually earn more cap space. Here is a link explaining it a bit if you're interested https://puckpedia.com/salary-cap/8-team-cap-hit-calculations-accrued-cap-space

Here is a quote from the article.
"Cap space “accrues” over time. A team with $500K cap room to start the year can add a player with a $1,000,000 Cap Hit halfway through season (Day 93). Due to the way the cap is calculated, a player worth $1M annually will only count for $500,000 in actual cap charge through the remainder of the year."

This doesn't happen when you are operating using the LTIR pool which makes trades more difficult at the deadline and puts you at a trading disadvantage.
 
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