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toronto rebuild

Created by: stennybro
Team: 2021-22 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 1, 2022
Published: Feb. 2, 2022
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trade everything and everyone until PA Parenteau is our best player
Trades
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VAN
  1. Kravtsov, Vitali
  2. Schneider, Braden
  3. 2022 1st round pick (NYR)
NYR
  1. Miller, J.T. ($2,600,000 retained)
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VAN
  1. Barron, Justin
  2. Jost, Tyson
  3. 2023 1st round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Horvat, Bo ($2,500,000 retained)
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VAN
  1. Iorio, Vincent
  2. McMichael, Connor
  3. 2022 1st round pick (WSH)
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5.
VAN
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (TOR)
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VAN
  1. DeSmith, Casey
  2. 2022 4th round pick (PIT)
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VAN
  1. 2022 7th round pick (BOS)
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any team, if he has value, if not just keep him
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VAN
  1. 2022 7th round pick (CGY)
Additional Details:
any team, if he has value, if not just keep him
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VAN
  1. 2022 1st round pick (CHI)
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (CBJ)
  3. 2022 3rd round pick (TBL)
  4. 2023 2nd round pick (CBJ)
  5. 2023 3rd round pick (CBJ)
CBJ
    just pretend that we used our freed space to acquire random picks from random cap strapped teams
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    Feb. 2, 2022 at 12:20 a.m.
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    Hughes - Schneider would be a real nice pair for the future man
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    Feb. 2, 2022 at 12:29 a.m.
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    VAN is not moving Horvat.
    Feb. 2, 2022 at 1:06 a.m.
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    You have achieved the three things the new management team wants to do: get more picks, get more prospects, get more cap space.

    Personally I lean towards this type of rebuild. It should have happened 7 -8 years ago but didn't and we haven't been able to move forward as a result, well there was also JB...
    I think if the team took on a rebuild like this and did it right I think they could be contenders for a decade starting in about 3-4 years. You have keep the core that will be in their prime when the team would be able to compete and created cap space to make key additions.
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    Feb. 2, 2022 at 1:13 a.m.
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    Quoting: PeterForsberg21
    VAN is not moving Horvat.


    I'm not saying I would move Horvat at this TDL, he is probably the one piece from the older core players that I would prefer to keep. With that said, if the team misses the playoffs this year, and they likely will, do you think Horvat resigns with the team after next season?
    I figure the team is either going to a) rebuild or b) try and make the playoffs next season, however they have very limited cap space and no prospects coming through the pipeline, which to me means if they don't rebuild they are likely a fringe playoff team again next season. The guy wants to win and has made the playoffs twice out of his eight years with the team, and only once has made it out of the second round. The Canucks have basically wasted the Horvat era, and I would not be surprised if he may be ready to move on after next season.
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    Feb. 2, 2022 at 1:20 a.m.
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    Quoting: Reason
    You have achieved the three things the new management team wants to do: get more picks, get more prospects, get more cap space.

    Personally I lean towards this type of rebuild. It should have happened 7 -8 years ago but didn't and we haven't been able to move forward as a result, well there was also JB...
    I think if the team took on a rebuild like this and did it right I think they could be contenders for a decade starting in about 3-4 years. You have keep the core that will be in their prime when the team would be able to compete and created cap space to make key additions.


    love comments like these! I really think that it is sooooo much better to go this route rather than slowly try and build up from playoff contender to cup contender. Have two bad years, stack picks/prospects, and restart with a fresh look. Hell, maybe you get lucky and get Bedard. Even if not, this route sets us up for a chance at a cup in 5 years, rather than a chance at being a top 8 team. As a lifelong canucks fan, I would much rather watch a few more painstaking years where at LEAST I can feel like there is a clear direction they are building towards.
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    Feb. 2, 2022 at 4:18 a.m.
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    Value-wise I'd probably make the trade if I was the Avs but it would make things tricky in 2 years time when he and MacK would both be up for renewal but that would be a genuine 1-2 C punch. Tbh in that situation I'd probably rather give up Newhook than Barron if I was making the move. Newhook would be surplus if the Avs traded for Horvat, and would fit into a VAN rebuild as a future replacement to give them a young 1-2 of Pettersson and Newhook.
    Feb. 2, 2022 at 4:50 a.m.
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    Blues pass.

    And umm...

    "just pretend that we used our freed space to acquire random picks from random cap strapped teams"

    What now?
    Feb. 2, 2022 at 6:01 a.m.
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    Dickinson absolutely has value, not a ton, but he isn't going to be treated like a cap dump just yet
    Feb. 2, 2022 at 8:10 a.m.
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    Talk about overpays. WSH's top prospect, top RSD prospect, and a 1st? I get Garland is a decent finishing winger with a decent contract, but not worth that much. Caps should pass here.
    Feb. 2, 2022 at 2:10 p.m.
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    Quoting: Reason
    I'm not saying I would move Horvat at this TDL, he is probably the one piece from the older core players that I would prefer to keep. With that said, if the team misses the playoffs this year, and they likely will, do you think Horvat resigns with the team after next season?
    I figure the team is either going to a) rebuild or b) try and make the playoffs next season, however they have very limited cap space and no prospects coming through the pipeline, which to me means if they don't rebuild they are likely a fringe playoff team again next season. The guy wants to win and has made the playoffs twice out of his eight years with the team, and only once has made it out of the second round. The Canucks have basically wasted the Horvat era, and I would not be surprised if he may be ready to move on after next season.


    "The sense is Bo Horvat wants to stay and the contract may not be as big as some people think if they go long-term" (Satiar Shah, Sportsnet650)
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    Feb. 3, 2022 at 2:27 p.m.
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    Quoting: mokumboi
    Blues pass.

    And umm...

    "just pretend that we used our freed space to acquire random picks from random cap strapped teams"

    What now?


    we used our cap space to take back bad contracts from teams like vegas, and got compensated.... Like Carolina did with Marleau a couple years ago
    Feb. 3, 2022 at 2:32 p.m.
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    Quoting: tylerstenson
    we used our cap space to take back bad contracts from teams like vegas, and got compensated.... Like Carolina did with Marleau a couple years ago



    Riiiight, I get that part. But if you want to put up five 1st/2nd/3rd rounders (and four of them likely very high) from the '22 and '23 drafts, you need to show that work. Instead you're taking all these valuable picks and still walking around with 18M in cap space. I believe that is commonly known as "cheating". wink
    Feb. 3, 2022 at 2:40 p.m.
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    Riiiight, I get that part. But if you want to put up five 1st/2nd/3rd rounders (and four of them likely very high) from the '22 and '23 drafts, you need to show that work. Instead you're taking all these valuable picks and still walking around with 18M in cap space. I believe that is commonly known as "cheating". wink


    i didnt use that 18M cap space for a reason. It's meant to be implied that a large amount is locked up for next 1-2 years because of those picks. I was too lazy to show my work and you're not my professor!
    Feb. 3, 2022 at 2:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: tylerstenson
    i didnt use that 18M cap space for a reason. It's meant to be implied that a large amount is locked up for next 1-2 years because of those picks. I was too lazy to show my work and you're not my professor!



    My brotherman, I have a little secret to share with you.

    (leans in to whisper discreetly)

    You don't have enough cap space there to acquire half that value of picks.
    Feb. 3, 2022 at 2:50 p.m.
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    Quoting: mokumboi
    My brotherman, I have a little secret to share with you.

    (leans in to whisper discreetly)

    You don't have enough cap space there to acquire half that value of picks.


    andrew ladd went for 2 2nds and a 3rd, marleau went for a 1st, gostisbehere went for a second and 7th. You're right! I could've gotten more!
    Feb. 3, 2022 at 2:53 p.m.
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    Quoting: TJTwolf
    Value-wise I'd probably make the trade if I was the Avs but it would make things tricky in 2 years time when he and MacK would both be up for renewal but that would be a genuine 1-2 C punch. Tbh in that situation I'd probably rather give up Newhook than Barron if I was making the move. Newhook would be surplus if the Avs traded for Horvat, and would fit into a VAN rebuild as a future replacement to give them a young 1-2 of Pettersson and Newhook.


    interesting... I'd be happy if Canucks got Newhook instead in that trade. Of course, this is assuming that everything else I traded also happened!
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    Feb. 3, 2022 at 3:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: tylerstenson
    andrew ladd went for 2 2nds and a 3rd, marleau went for a 1st, gostisbehere went for a second and 7th. You're right! I could've gotten more!


    Ehh, Ghost was not a cap eat like the others. And Ladd and Marleau by themselves were 18M+ in cap eating. And all those picks were lower in their respective rounds, sometimes way lower.
    Feb. 3, 2022 at 3:20 p.m.
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    Ehh, Ghost was not a cap eat like the others. And Ladd and Marleau by themselves were 18M+ in cap eating. And all those picks were lower in their respective rounds, sometimes way lower.


    since when did Ladd and Marleau make 18M between them both? They each had cap hits of between 6-6.5M per year (marleau 1 year left, Ladd 2 (i think)). And ghost was the DEFINITION of a cap eat, he was sent off for literally nothing in return.
    Feb. 3, 2022 at 3:21 p.m.
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    Ehh, Ghost was not a cap eat like the others. And Ladd and Marleau by themselves were 18M+ in cap eating. And all those picks were lower in their respective rounds, sometimes way lower.


    I also believe that the Toronto pick in the marleau trade ended up being Seth Jarvis, who would realistically be valued at a mid first rn
    Feb. 3, 2022 at 3:41 p.m.
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    Quoting: tylerstenson
    since when did Ladd and Marleau make 18M between them both? They each had cap hits of between 6-6.5M per year (marleau 1 year left, Ladd 2 (i think)). And ghost was the DEFINITION of a cap eat, he was sent off for literally nothing in return.


    1- Ladd = 2x5.5 = 11M
    Marleau = 1x6.25 = 6.25M

    6.25M + 11M = 17.25M

    So yeah, sorry, I was off by less than 1M. My bad. The point stands.

    2- Regardless of what he was sent off for or why, he is still a very useful player. He may have been a cap removal for the Flyers, but he is not a cap eat for Arizona. The fact that they got him along with sweet prizes is a sign that Philly was dumb and panicked, not that Ghost was a straight cap eat.

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    I also believe that the Toronto pick in the marleau trade ended up being Seth Jarvis, who would realistically be valued at a mid first rn



    Correct. Jarvis was taken 13th, which is very much mid.

    Mid is lower than high.
    Feb. 3, 2022 at 5:27 p.m.
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    Quoting: mokumboi
    1- Ladd = 2x5.5 = 11M
    Marleau = 1x6.25 = 6.25M

    6.25M + 11M = 17.25M

    So yeah, sorry, I was off by less than 1M. My bad. The point stands.

    2- Regardless of what he was sent off for or why, he is still a very useful player. He may have been a cap removal for the Flyers, but he is not a cap eat for Arizona. The fact that they got him along with sweet prizes is a sign that Philly was dumb and panicked, not that Ghost was a straight cap eat.




    Correct. Jarvis was taken 13th, which is very much mid.

    Mid is lower than high.


    all im saying in regards to ladd and marleau is that 5.5 + 6.25 is only 11.75 per year, which is much less than the 18M I have in cap space on this team.

    In regards to the Gostisbehere situation, there is a chance with the minimal rise in salary cap this upcoming year, another team may panic like the flyers. All im saying is that the return picks that I almost randomly selected are well within the realm of possibility. I'm done with debating though, so enjoy what is left of your day!
    Feb. 3, 2022 at 5:47 p.m.
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    Quoting: tylerstenson
    all im saying in regards to ladd and marleau is that 5.5 + 6.25 is only 11.75 per year, which is much less than the 18M I have in cap space on this team.

    In regards to the Gostisbehere situation, there is a chance with the minimal rise in salary cap this upcoming year, another team may panic like the flyers. All im saying is that the return picks that I almost randomly selected are well within the realm of possibility. I'm done with debating though, so enjoy what is left of your day!


    1- Dude. I showed my math. Again, two years of Ladd's 5.5M = 11M. Plus Marleau = 17.25M.

    2- You randomly selected picks that would cost several million more than 18M to pay for. But yeah, you have a good one, too.
    Feb. 3, 2022 at 5:55 p.m.
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    1- Dude. I showed my math. Again, two years of Ladd's 5.5M = 11M. Plus Marleau = 17.25M.

    2- You randomly selected picks that would cost several million more than 18M to pay for. But yeah, you have a good one, too.


    do you not understand how the salary cap works?

    I have 18M to spend THIS YEAR. Pretending that the Ladd, Marleau, and Gostisbehere contracts all aligned this year, that would cost 16.25M THIS YEAR. And with that, I still have 1.75M left over. The year after that, sure I would still have Ladd and Gostisbehere on the books, but at that point, I have another 18M in cap space for that year (or whatever the numbers would actually be).

    Plus those 3 cap dumps acquired more picks than what I traded for at the beginning.
    Feb. 3, 2022 at 5:59 p.m.
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    Quoting: tylerstenson
    do you not understand how the salary cap works?

    I have 18M to spend THIS YEAR. Pretending that the Ladd, Marleau, and Gostisbehere contracts all aligned this year, that would cost 16.25M THIS YEAR. And with that, I still have 1.75M left over. The year after that, sure I would still have Ladd and Gostisbehere on the books, but at that point, I have another 18M in cap space for that year (or whatever the numbers would actually be).

    Plus those 3 cap dumps acquired more picks than what I traded for at the beginning.



    Oh dear... you already mentioned correctly that Ladd had two years left on his deal at the time of that trade. And now you keep trying to count just one year in the math when the full cost of the cap eat is two years worth of his salary. This is really simple, man. I've showed the math twice now. That's more than enough for me (and everyone else here, surely), so I'm out. Be well and prosper.
    Feb. 3, 2022 at 6:40 p.m.
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    Oh dear... you already mentioned correctly that Ladd had two years left on his deal at the time of that trade. And now you keep trying to count just one year in the math when the full cost of the cap eat is two years worth of his salary. This is really simple, man. I've showed the math twice now. That's more than enough for me (and everyone else here, surely), so I'm out. Be well and prosper.


    lmao yeah it is double that in money, but that money is spread over two ****ing years, not just this one. So the salary for the second year will be dealt with then. Man you are ridiculously incompetent lol
     
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