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Team: 2021-22 New York Rangers
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 4, 2022
Published: Feb. 4, 2022
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  1. Chytil, Filip
  2. Gauthier, Julien
  3. 2022 2nd round pick (NYR)
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Feb. 4, 2022 at 12:24 p.m.
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not bad. though i still think habs would prefer a 1st rd pick in any package
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Feb. 4, 2022 at 12:27 p.m.
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not bad. though i still think habs would prefer a 1st rd pick in any package


I’m sure they would, they should be able to get one with some retention on the players too. Worst case scenario this is a solid package imo
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Feb. 4, 2022 at 12:28 p.m.
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I’m sure they would, they should be able to get one with some retention on the players too. Worst case scenario this is a solid package imo


agreed. very solid
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Feb. 4, 2022 at 12:31 p.m.
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not bad. though i still think habs would prefer a 1st rd pick in any package


2 1sts if your trading for both Chiarot and Lehkonen cause that is the rumored return for both seperately.
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Feb. 4, 2022 at 12:32 p.m.
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Oh boy! Very off! Let's break this up:

Chiarot for new york would acquire a 1st and a 3rd

Lehkonen and pitlick to new york would cost. Lundqvist, 3rd and chytil

Therefore the entire trade would be

CHIAROT, LEHKONEN, and PITLICK

FOR

LUNDQVIST, 1ST, CHYTIL, 3RD, 4TH
Feb. 4, 2022 at 12:35 p.m.
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chytil is = to Evans or Poehling...

this probably fair in the lowest side...
Mid side would be Lundkvist, 2nd Gauthier for
High side would be Lundkvist, 1st, Gauthier
Feb. 4, 2022 at 12:36 p.m.
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I think it's a reasonable offer, but I do caution that "reasonable" may not be enough. At worst, you can put the offer in and give Montreal something to think about.

Edit: Should also mention that you lose out by default to an offer including C and/or RD.
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Feb. 4, 2022 at 12:44 p.m.
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I guess it depends how the Canadiens feel about Chytil and Gauthier, but gut feeling is this needs more than just a few tweaks.

Chytil and Poehling are basically at the same place in terms of development, so acquiring the former hurts the development of the latter. Gauthier is basically a 4th liner and I'm not sure he'll ever be more than that. Even with lots of changes on the horizon, its not hard to find 4 RWers on the Canadiens roster to play ahead of him right now. He just doesn't really do anything apart from being a Francophone player.

Rangers definitely have picks and pieces that would interest Montreal, but Chytil isn't one of them and Gauthier is a throw in. Its not a bad offer, it just doesn't make sense for Montreal. I'd try again TBH.
Feb. 4, 2022 at 12:56 p.m.
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I guess it depends how the Canadiens feel about Chytil and Gauthier, but gut feeling is this needs more than just a few tweaks.

Chytil and Poehling are basically at the same place in terms of development, so acquiring the former hurts the development of the latter. Gauthier is basically a 4th liner and I'm not sure he'll ever be more than that. Even with lots of changes on the horizon, its not hard to find 4 RWers on the Canadiens roster to play ahead of him right now. He just doesn't really do anything apart from being a Francophone player.

Rangers definitely have picks and pieces that would interest Montreal, but Chytil isn't one of them and Gauthier is a throw in. Its not a bad offer, it just doesn't make sense for Montreal. I'd try again TBH.


Chytil could be a Lehkonen replacement, but also have untapped potential. That's at least worth considering.

Chiarot for Gauthier and a 2nd isn't good, but it's also without retention. Montreal is going to retain for a better return for sure. Add retention to switch the pick to a 1st, or offer a C/RD over Gauthier.
Feb. 4, 2022 at 1:00 p.m.
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Quoting: ricochetii
Chytil could be a Lehkonen replacement, but also have untapped potential. That's at least worth considering.

Chiarot for Gauthier and a 2nd isn't good, but it's also without retention. Montreal is going to retain for a better return for sure. Add retention to switch the pick to a 1st, or offer a C/RD over Gauthier.


Maybe, but I don't think Montreal needs a Lehkonen replacement in a Lehkonen trade. Montreal has young guys coming and they've got veterans coming back as well. Its more important to actually get more future value in a Lehkonen trade. I'm also not much of a Chytil fan though.
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Feb. 4, 2022 at 1:21 p.m.
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Maybe, but I don't think Montreal needs a Lehkonen replacement in a Lehkonen trade. Montreal has young guys coming and they've got veterans coming back as well. Its more important to actually get more future value in a Lehkonen trade. I'm also not much of a Chytil fan though.


The future value is exploring Chytil's untapped potential. Best case imo is, imagine Byron was 6'2" and how good of a two-way player he would have been.
At worst, he improves enough to give us several more years of a Lehkonen type player.
I'm not high on Chytil either, but he is worth considering.
Feb. 4, 2022 at 1:34 p.m.
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The future value is exploring Chytil's untapped potential. Best case imo is, imagine Byron was 6'2" and how good of a two-way player he would have been.
At worst, he improves enough to give us several more years of a Lehkonen type player.
I'm not high on Chytil either, but he is worth considering.


I don't really see what you're seeing in Chytil. He's not a strong defensive player. He doesn't really compare to Byron or Lehkonen.
Feb. 4, 2022 at 2:30 p.m.
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2 1sts if your trading for both Chiarot and Lehkonen cause that is the rumored return for both seperately.


He’s not disputing the value of two 1sts, just suggesting that you’d want a 1st in the package
Feb. 4, 2022 at 2:35 p.m.
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He’s not disputing the value of two 1sts, just suggesting that you’d want a 1st in the package


I know, I am suggesting that you remove some of the players and substitute others worth 2 1st's. We don't need Chytil since we have Poehling already and we don't need Gauthier since we have Byron, Yelonen' Pezzetta, Evans, Armia and others to fill that role. So either add 2 1sts or the value of 2 1sts in prospects for Montreal to consider it.
Feb. 4, 2022 at 2:37 p.m.
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Oh boy! Very off! Let's break this up:

Chiarot for new york would acquire a 1st and a 3rd

Lehkonen and pitlick to new york would cost. Lundqvist, 3rd and chytil

Therefore the entire trade would be

CHIAROT, LEHKONEN, and PITLICK

FOR

LUNDQVIST, 1ST, CHYTIL, 3RD, 4TH


Let’s discuss how off it is.. PITLICK isn’t in my trade so I have no clue why you think he is.

The value of each player with retention is a 1st round pick. I supplemented those two pick with (Chytil + 4th) and (Gaut +2nd) with no retention in there. These bogus reports you guys are hearing and making you’re religious beliefs is wild. Maybe, in a perfect world where all teams in the playoffs are battling for Chiarot there might be a package of 1st+2nd but let’s get back to reality… Lehkonen, if this guy is so damn valuable then you guys should be keeping him and signing him to 4M+ but what are his stats? Selke worthy? Centre and faceoffs expert? No, none of the above? Hmm 🤔
Feb. 4, 2022 at 2:41 p.m.
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I know, I am suggesting that you remove some of the players and substitute others worth 2 1st's. We don't need Chytil since we have Poehling already and we don't need Gauthier since we have Byron, Yelonen' Pezzetta, Evans, Armia and others to fill that role. So either add 2 1sts or the value of 2 1sts in prospects for Montreal to consider it.


Honestly, Chytil isn’t a C today, not tomorrow, maybe when he’s 28.. but he’s got good offensive ability and should be on LW. If you guys are selling off many of the wingers, this is a solid guy to add with no cap hit and RFA. If we didn’t have our LW stacked I’d keep him there.
Feb. 4, 2022 at 2:45 p.m.
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I don't really see what you're seeing in Chytil. He's not a strong defensive player. He doesn't really compare to Byron or Lehkonen.


If he was better than Lehkonen then this post would exist. You’re certainly not getting a Selke guy back for him if that’s what you think. I think Chytil would look great on LW for you guys or anyone else who doesn’t already have Kreids, Bread, Laf on LW.
Feb. 4, 2022 at 2:48 p.m.
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Let’s discuss how off it is.. PITLICK isn’t in my trade so I have no clue why you think he is.

The value of each player with retention is a 1st round pick. I supplemented those two pick with (Chytil + 4th) and (Gaut +2nd) with no retention in there. These bogus reports you guys are hearing and making you’re religious beliefs is wild. Maybe, in a perfect world where all teams in the playoffs are battling for Chiarot there might be a package of 1st+2nd but let’s get back to reality… Lehkonen, if this guy is so damn valuable then you guys should be keeping him and signing him to 4M+ but what are his stats? Selke worthy? Centre and faceoffs expert? No, none of the above? Hmm 🤔


Actually he's having a career year in the NHL. He's also according to analytics, 7th in selke voting. Because it would be more valuable for us to trade him, then to resign him, and remember we're trying to lose, lehkonen will make ANY NHL team better. I'm adding pitlick, I realized you didn't put him, but I did.
Feb. 4, 2022 at 2:51 p.m.
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Honestly, Chytil isn’t a C today, not tomorrow, maybe when he’s 28.. but he’s got good offensive ability and should be on LW. If you guys are selling off many of the wingers, this is a solid guy to add with no cap hit and RFA. If we didn’t have our LW stacked I’d keep him there.


we are not likely selling off many wingers, we have 11 wingers (Drouin, Caufield, Gallagher, Toffoli, Anderson, Lehkonen, Armia, Byron, Pezzetta, Hoffman and Perrault. With Yelonen, Belzile, Mysak and Harvey-Pinnard waiting) to play 8 positions, I honestly don't see us moving 4+ wingers to add Chytil or Gauthier.
Feb. 4, 2022 at 3:03 p.m.
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If he was better than Lehkonen then this post would exist. You’re certainly not getting a Selke guy back for him if that’s what you think. I think Chytil would look great on LW for you guys or anyone else who doesn’t already have Kreids, Bread, Laf on LW.


The first part is obvious. I disagree that Chytil would look great on LW, I think he's got pretty limited upside and I'm not sure if he's going to amount to much. Montreal can roll with Hoffman, Byron, Pitlick and (when healthy) Drouin at LW.

At the end of the day I look at the proposal and rather just keep Lehkonen and trade Chiarot for the best offer they can get (which reportedly could be a 1st+, but likely wont be less than a 2nd+4th). Lehkonen isn't that old and Chytil and Gauthier just don't seem like its worth the effort.
Feb. 4, 2022 at 3:19 p.m.
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I don't really see what you're seeing in Chytil. He's not a strong defensive player. He doesn't really compare to Byron or Lehkonen.


He can be a threat with his speed, much like Byron and if he doesn't put it together offensively as a puck carrying winger, he could make a similar transition to a bottom 6 role with Byron to mentor him.
Obviously he needs work defensively, but he should have similar production while he works on his short handed game.
Feb. 4, 2022 at 3:23 p.m.
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He can be a threat with his speed, much like Byron and if he doesn't put it together offensively as a puck carrying winger, he could make a similar transition to a bottom 6 role with Byron to mentor him.
Obviously he needs work defensively, but he should have similar production while he works on his short handed game.


Peak Byron was one of the most efficient 5v5 point producers in the NHL, and Byron's speed was mostly useful because he was (is?) great at anticipating plays and striking in transition. I don't see that from Chytil.
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Feb. 4, 2022 at 3:43 p.m.
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Peak Byron was one of the most efficient 5v5 point producers in the NHL, and Byron's speed was mostly useful because he was (is?) great at anticipating plays and striking in transition. I don't see that from Chytil.


I'm going by limited experience. I haven't seen as much as I could have due to covid schedules, so you may have a better idea than I. What I have seen, he looked good, but I guess the numbers don't back that up, so I'll defer.
 
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