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2021-22 NHL Discussion Thread #14: Olympic Edition

Feb. 16, 2022 at 5:56 p.m.
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If we were in a winning state it’d probably be a yes, but as a team that has a pretty good chance at missing the playoffs I’m not too sure.

If that pick is either top 10 protected or it’s next year’s and also top 10 protected I can maybe see it.

Or could be a conditional 2nd that becomes a 1st if you make the playoffs

Edit: also we get a conditional 3rd that we only get if you miss the playoffs. So we’re either getting a 1st or a 2nd and 3rd
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 6:00 p.m.
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K I think I got a trade that will work for both sides

Islanders send Pageau and Salo to Anaheim

Anaheim sends Lindholm (with Extension talks places) and Steel to NYI

Will need to work out the kinks (picks may need to be added for both sides) but I think there is a good base to this format

But in the end Anaheim gets a center to replace Getzlaf when he retires and a young LD to replace Lindholm while NYI get a young cheaper 3c who can do almost everything Pageau does while also getting a LD who is good at both ends.


Intersting, but I don’t think anaheim would do that
Feb. 16, 2022 at 6:03 p.m.
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Or could be a conditional 2nd that becomes a 1st if you make the playoffs

Edit: also we get a conditional 3rd that we only get if you miss the playoffs. So we’re either getting a 1st or a 2nd and 3rd


Yeah that could work.
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 6:04 p.m.
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Yeah that could work.

Thank you, currently making an isles rebuild ACGM. I wanna make it perfect, a 2 part series, maybe even 3
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 6:11 p.m.
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Intersting, but I don’t think anaheim would do that


Anaheim I believe would. RN they are borderline playoffs. Lindholm is a UFA and I havent heard any plans to extend him anymore. So they may decide to move him. Getzlaf is probs retiring after this season and so Anaheim gonna need a 2c. Insert Pageau. I could honestly see them doing it, as long as Pageau does not have them on his M-NTC

Need to wait and see but apparently they are looking to move either Lindholm or Manson according to multiple reports from the Athletic as no extension talks are in the works and so why lose them for nothing..
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 6:14 p.m.
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Anaheim I believe would. RN they are borderline playoffs. Lindholm is a UFA and I havent heard any plans to extend him anymore. So they may decide to move him. Getzlaf is probs retiring after this season and so Anaheim gonna need a 2c. Insert Pageau. I could honestly see them doing it, as long as Pageau does not have them on his M-NTC

Need to wait and see but apparently they are looking to move either Lindholm or Manson according to multiple reports from the Athletic as no extension talks are in the works and so why lose them for nothing..

I just feel like they could get a better return for Lindholm, if we add, I could see them doing it. It is certainly an interesting idea
Feb. 16, 2022 at 6:17 p.m.
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https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/452473 I was pretty bad
Feb. 16, 2022 at 6:20 p.m.
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https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/452473 I was pretty bad


That samsonov, ceci, and goodrow contracts lmfao.
That Toronto trade also, that zibenajad trade wasn't bad tho.
Now you've really improved
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 6:39 p.m.
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https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/452473 I was pretty bad


https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/381875 This was my 3rd ACGM but my 1st with a trade, I was hesitant to do anything big, most of my ACGM's back then were Habs roster talk related or my opinion on 1 thing from another team
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 6:40 p.m.
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That samsonov, ceci, and goodrow contracts lmfao.
That Toronto trade also, that zibenajad trade wasn't bad tho.
Now you've really improved


Thank you.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 6:53 p.m.
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 7:17 p.m.
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Edited Feb. 16, 2022 at 7:25 p.m.
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Is he though? He's having a better season, no doubt, but better "by a lot" I doubt it. Not that Dallas should jump on that, but using a normal sample size, Petry has significantly better numbers than Klingberg.

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I’ll bring this here since the thread was deleted.

That’s in the past 3 years, this year Petry has been playing horribly offensively and defensively, while being 34, and signed for 3 more year at 6.25 million. That’s a lot of red flags.

You can show his past seasons all you want, but being over 34, a down season usually means regression (example: Jamie Benn). If he plays like he does this year next year his contract will look worst than Suter’s.

You can say what if he was in a better team and system he’d produce better, and that it’s because his mental state is not there all you want, but until it happens it’s all “what if’s”. The difference between my “what if’s” and yours is that mine are on rate to happen it things continue as they are.

I’ll say this once more, and I know Montreal fans don’t want to hear it. Until Petry starts playing like he did, his value is extremely low. Believe me I know it very well, Dallas loves old underproducing players who have big contract’s a little too much.

The only thing that lowers Klingberg’s value is defence (obviously not his strong side) and his wants for his next contract.

Petry has more value to Montreal than any other team, while Klingberg it’s pretty much the same if not even more. That’s the big difference between their values.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 7:18 p.m.
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I’ll bring this here since the thread was deleted.

That’s in the past 3 years, this year Petry has been playing horribly offensively and defensively, while being 34, and signing for 3 more year at 6.25 million. That’s a lot of red flags.

You can show his past seasons all you want, but being over 34 a down season usually means regression. If he plays like he does this year next year his contract will look worst than Suter’s.

You can say what if he was in a better team and system he’d produce better, and that it’s because his mental state is not there all you want, but until it happens it’s all “what if’s”. The difference between my “what if’s” and yours is that mine are on rate to happen it things continue as they are.

I’ll say this once more, and I know Montreal fans don’t want to hear it. Until Petry starts playing like he did, his value is extremely low.

The only thing that lowers Klingberg’s value is defence (obviously not his strong side) and his wants for his next contract.


Sorry about that. I’m making a new one.
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 7:34 p.m.
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Quoting: EsoYeezus69
I’ll bring this here since the thread was deleted.

That’s in the past 3 years, this year Petry has been playing horribly offensively and defensively, while being 34, and signed for 3 more year at 6.25 million. That’s a lot of red flags.

You can show his past seasons all you want, but being over 34, a down season usually means regression (example: Jamie Benn). If he plays like he does this year next year his contract will look worst than Suter’s.

You can say what if he was in a better team and system he’d produce better, and that it’s because his mental state is not there all you want, but until it happens it’s all “what if’s”. The difference between my “what if’s” and yours is that mine are on rate to happen it things continue as they are.

I’ll say this once more, and I know Montreal fans don’t want to hear it. Until Petry starts playing like he did, his value is extremely low. Believe me I know it very well, Dallas loves old underproducing players who have big contract’s a little too much.

The only thing that lowers Klingberg’s value is defence (obviously not his strong side) and his wants for his next contract.

Petry has more value to Montreal than any other team, while Klingberg it’s pretty much the same if not even more. That’s the big difference between their values.


The whole thing was never about contract & age. I was responding to your "Klingberg is better than Petry by a lot", which I don't think is true.
"Past seasons" I showed take into account this season, so despite the disaster of a season people are calling, he still has better numbers than Klingberg even including this season. I can show you 2020-21 numbers, 2019-20 numbers, Petry beats Klingberg in each. He got better as he aged, so I'm not buying the all-of-a-sudden regression while he was playing like a Norris defenseman 6 months ago.
The "what ifs", despite being "what ifs" are still important. Would Klingberg be better than Petry this season if they swapped chairs? People can close their eyes on context as much as they want, but at the end of the day context matters.
Also, an NHL executive said Jeff Petry still holds value among NHL GMs and even said he'd personally value him as much as he did last season.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 7:45 p.m.
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The whole thing was never about contract & age. I was responding to your "Klingberg is better than Petry by a lot", which I don't think is true.
"Past seasons" I showed take into account this season, so despite the disaster of a season people are calling, he still has better numbers than Klingberg even including this season. I can show you 2020-21 numbers, 2019-20 numbers, Petry beats Klingberg in each. He got better as he aged, so I'm not buying the all-of-a-sudden regression while he was playing like a Norris defenseman 6 months ago.
The "what ifs", despite being "what ifs" are still important. Would Klingberg be better than Petry this season if they swapped chairs? People can close their eyes on context as much as they want, but at the end of the day context matters.
Also, an NHL executive said Jeff Petry still holds value among NHL GMs and even said he'd personally value him as much as he did last season.


Well my comment was more of a Klingberg is a lot better than Petry currently (this season), which is factually correct. I agree with you that he was better than Klingberg in the past season’s, but this season it isn’t close. Not that this is very important, but Blake Comeau (known ECHL’er) has a higher P/GP than Petry.

To your scenario to what if they swapped chairs, it wouldn’t change as much as you think. Dallas has a worst system and it frankly isn’t close. We’re playing better granted, but it’s not like we’re a top team, right now about 15-25 in the league give or take. Plus this system sh*ts on all production.

And yes regression like that can happen to someone who was a Norris contender last year. Benn was one of the best players in the league in 2016, in 2019 he started regressing and the year after he was considered and still is one of the worst contracts in the league. Granted it took about 3-4 year for him to regress badly, but he was one of the best players in the league while Petry was only one of the best dman in the league.

Also I can agree to a certain extent that GM’s and professional know more about this stuff than me, but there’s always a thing as a bad trade or a trade that ages like milk, and this has the chances to fall into that category.
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 7:52 p.m.
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The capitals had a scout at the last three home games for the stars.

What do you think they have interest in. Pavs or rads. I hope it’s not rads. Maybe holtby.
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 7:53 p.m.
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The capitals had a scout at the last three home games for the stars.

What do you think they have interest in. Pavs or rads. I hope it’s not rads. Maybe holtby.


Blake Comeau

Due to unforeseen circumstances he just wasn't playing. Which probably increased his value.
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 7:54 p.m.
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Blake Comeau


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Feb. 16, 2022 at 7:54 p.m.
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The capitals had a scout at the last three home games for the stars.

What do you think they have interest in. Pavs or rads. I hope it’s not rads. Maybe holtby.


Again, not sure what's your fascination with Holtby back to Washington, that makes no sense since you have Samsonov and Vanecek, they may be young and have some issues but moving one to add Holtby is a severe downgrade ( maybe not necessarily this year but definitely in the long run )
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 7:55 p.m.
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We’re getting close to needing a 15th thread. I have been sitting on this one joke for like a month and a half

Hint: it’s a SpongeBob reference
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 7:55 p.m.
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Again, not sure what's your fascination with Holtby back to Washington, that makes no sense since you have Samsonov and Vanecek, they may be young and have some issues but moving one to add Holtby is a severe downgrade ( maybe not necessarily this year but definitely in the long run )


No I don’t want holtby back. That thing with him and I ended when we played the stars and shut them out. We don’t need him.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 7:56 p.m.
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We’re getting close to needing a 15th thread. I have been sitting on this one joke for like a month and a half

Hint: it’s a SpongeBob reference


guess we know who's gonna be making the next thread 👀👀
Feb. 16, 2022 at 7:58 p.m.
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Well my comment was more of a Klingberg is a lot better than Petry currently (this season), which is factually correct. I agree with you that he was better than Klingberg in the past season’s, but this season it isn’t close. Not that this is very important, but Blake Comeau (known ECHL’er) has a higher P/GP than Petry.


What good is a 40 games sample size of a player in a #1D spot on an awful team? Is Klingberg better than Chychrun as well because he's having a better season? Historically, first pairing guys are always taking a hit stats-wise when they're on lottery teams, especially those with little-to-no help to share the workload. Reminds me of when a few years ago people thought Drew Doughty was only good for sheltered 2nd pair duties anymore.

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To your scenario to what if they swapped chairs, it wouldn’t change as much as you think. Dallas has a worst system and it frankly isn’t close. We’re playing better granted, but it’s not like we’re a top team, right now about 15-25 in the league give or take. Plus this system sh*ts on all production..


From 2019-2022, the Stars are 14th in the league in xGF (Habs are 19th), Stars are 17th in GF% (Habs are 26th), Stars are 20th in GF/60 (Habs are 21st)

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And yes regression like that can happen to someone who was a Norris contender last year. Benn was one of the best players in the league in 2016, in 2019 he started regressing and the year after he was considered and still is one of the worst contracts in the league. Granted it took about 3-4 year for him to regress badly, but he was one of the best players in the league while Petry was only one of the best dman in the league.


Benn's downfall was precipitated because his power forward playstyle. It happens to all of them - Ladd, Lucic, Okposo, etc. Petry's downfall is not physical like typical declining defensemen in their mid-30s à la Phaneuf, it's due to decision making. He moves as well as ever and if it were my first glance at hockey without knowing anything, I'd have said he's a 26-year-old defenseman.
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 7:58 p.m.
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The capitals had a scout at the last three home games for the stars.

What do you think they have interest in. Pavs or rads. I hope it’s not rads. Maybe holtby.


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^He's right on that last point-Stars aren't going to sell even if it would be the smart thing to do


^

Don’t think Stars are selling even though the Caps might make offers.

But as @justaBoss said, we’re glad to take calls for Comeau.
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 8:01 p.m.
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