In the real world I think the Flyers would take that and I agree with your statement. The only way they are getting more then that is if a team offers more which isn’t very likely

I think they'd get more from Colorado. If for whatever reason G doesn't want to be traded there then i'd agree

I’m not familiar with Colorado’s prospect pool but I would assume Billy G could outbid the Avs prospect wise if he felt it was worth it, considering the Wild have one of the best pools in the league. I think it’ll be coming down to the Avs, Wild, and Rangers as the TDL approaches but I wouldn’t be surprised it Philly gets a better deal than this if it ends up being a bidding war. This deal is just what I think Giroux would be worth given the circumstances.

I think the "34 year old" part just attempts to diminish Giroux's actual value. You add him, he's immediately your 3rd highest scorer, coming over from a team that is 28th in the league in goals scored.

That being said, it's all going to come down to if Giroux is willing to waive, and where he's willing to waive to. There's a pretty decent chance that he say, "I will waive to play in _______", which gives the Flyers the old Taylor Hall NMC treatment, possibly limiting their return.

Nick Foligno got a 1st and 4th if memory serves correctly... He was a 33-year old UFA that hadn't passed 35 points in the previous three years. A) i cannot imagine G waives a NMC to go to minnesota to play 1C if he is looking for a chance at a cup and B) I think there's a better deal to be had.

I wouldn’t give that much for Giroux!

That’s because most GMs think with the wrong heads!

I’m not personally trying to diminish his value but him being 34 and walking into UFA after this season definitely diminishes his value, I don’t think that’s something that can be argued. Yes he’s a superstar but he’s on the back 9 of his career and can just walk away from the Flyers after this season if they don’t trade him which is leverage for all teams trying to trade for him.

Luckily Minnesota doesn’t have an incompetent GM

That’s why you’re not a GM

Lordy. Beckman is borderline NHL ready on his ELC. I would part with Hunt, but it would have to be a 2nd going with rather than a 1st.

There is A LOT of quality going to PHI here.

What is a better deal?

I mean, if being a pending UFA was leverage for teams acquiring players, we'd rarely ever see anything of value going back and forth, no? The amount of pending UFA's that actually re-sign with the teams that acquire them at the deadline is prettttttty low.

Everything you just said is correct and is one more reason teams have leverage over Philly in this situation

Who is Beckman replacing in the near future though? The only winger that has any chance of not being on the team next year is Fiala. The rest of them are already locked into a contract outside of Dewar and with how Dewar has played I can’t see a world where he isn’t getting a new contract next year.

I think Beckman is the first call up next year, hopefully he leans into a big role in IA. But as far as where he plays, Fiala is still likely gone and Zucc only has 2 years left. Couple that with Foligno’s deal expiring in 2 years, there are more spots than you think. And Beckman looks like a sure fire mid 6 guy with PP potential at minimum.

Dewar is a 4th line guy. Duhaime is a bottom 6 guy. And if the decision is moving on from Dewar or Beckman, I’m taking Beckman every time.

I get why you say you’d take Beckman over Dewar but if I’m the Wild I’m taking Dewar over Beckman 9/10 times. Beckman can scores goals, outside of that he doesn’t do much. Dewar is an all around player that likely can play up and down the lineup. Minnesota has plenty goal scorers and if Beckman isn’t playing top 6 minutes he’s likely not going to impact the game very much.

I think we need to stop glorifying bottom 6 players. Dewar is great. It’s great he’s worked up through the system. But he’s a replacement level guy. Beckman has top 6 potential. Don’t overthink it.

Yeah that’s true but no team has ever won a cup with a team full of top 6 players. You need players like Dewar, Duhaime, and Sturm to win games.

This is precisely the mentality that gives you the first 20 years of the Wild’s existence.

Not at all, I’m all for having several high octane players on the roster. You need a balanced team to win consistently, especially when it comes to the playoffs. It’s the reason a lot of great teams with star players get knocked out of the playoffs in the early rounds. Take Toronto for example, they have 4 of the best players in the league on their team and haven’t won a playoff series in damn near 20 years.

I think we’re gonna have to agree to disagree. Tampa has won 2 cups because Kuch, Point, Hedman, and Vasy played like stars. It’s not because they signed Pat Maroon. Same story with Orielly, Senko, and Binnington in STL. Same story with Ovi, Kuzy, Backstom, and Carlson in WSH. You don’t win a cup without an abundance of skill.

I agree with you on that and to be honest with you we already have an abundance of skill. We score at the 3rd highest clip in the league. You can say Tampa is great because of Stamkos, Kuch, Hedman, and Vasy but you can also say they were great because they have/had above average bottom 6 players such as Goodrow, Gourde, Johnson, Colton, and Cirelli. Not all those guys are offensive weapons but they play important roles within a roster and they are a huge part of the reason Tampa went back to back.

I think this is where we disagree. Kap is the only guy on that category. Fiala is inline with what Cirelli brought as far as impact. Our goaltending is fine but not good enough. We still need so many more pieces before I’d say we’re a true contender.

He would be playing 2c for Fiala and Boldy most likely. Wild are not gonna break up that 1st line with kaprizov and zucc