The pacioretty trade is a very good comparable for a toffoli trade. https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/players/max-pacioretty.
Pacioretty was on the final year of his contract when he was traded. If toffoli would be traded now, he still has 2 and a half years left on his contract of 4.25 mil.
Pacioretty in his final year in montreal had 37 points in 64 games, the year before 67 points in 81 games. Toffoli in his final year in LA had 34 points in 54 games, the year before that he had 34 points in 82 games. He then got traded to Vancouver for Tyler Madden (a B prospect), 2nd round pick, Tim Schaller (cap dump). Since joining Vancouver he had 10 points in 10 games, and 4 points in 7 playoff games. He then signed in montreal for less than pacioretty signed in Vegas, while also having the better season. His 1st year in montreal he had 44 points in 52 games (while also having a 44 goal pace), then in the playoffs he had 14 points in 22 games. Now this season he has 26 points in 35 games. Therefore having more points in the past 2 seasons than pacioretty had in montreal his last 2 seasons. Now, I have 2 reasons why he's worth it. Pacioretty acquired a package of a 1st round caliber prospect, 2nd, and a player with no value. He had less production than toffoli at the time. He was on the last year of his contract and was gonna demand a very high raise. Toffoli has 2 and a half years left on one of the best contracts I the league qt 4.25mil. All that makes it worth that toffoli could get a 1st, 1st round caliber prospect, 2nd / 2nd round caliber prospect. Another reason, in the 1st toffoli trade he was traded for a 2nd round caliber prospect, and a 2nd. That was when toffoli was the 40 point player. Now, that toffoli I'd the 75 point player, AND he has ×5 more term on his contract left than last time, ypu could at least double the haul for what LA got. Madden ×2 = 1st round caliber prospect, 2nd round pick ×2 = 1st round pick. Then you could add a 2nd /2nd round caliber prospect.
Now, why would pelletier make sense? Suzuki in his ohl career had 328 points in 251 games, pelltier in his qmjhl career had 275 points in 210 games, if you want to say Suzuki played 41 more games, but if you calculate how much points pelletier would've had in 251 games, it would also be 328 points. For clarification most people consider ohl the toughest league to play in, more tougher than the whl or qmjhl. They both played 4 seasons there, but after the 4 seasons Suzuki went straight to the nhl, and picked up 41 points in 71 games. While pelletier went to the ahl, and scored 36 points in 36 games. Suzuki went to the nhl, rather than the ahl making him the more qualified player, pelltier had to go to the ahl. And, no. Habs didn't need him at center. He started the season on the 4th line, so it was his production that made him play in the NHL. Those are 2 very good proofs to show toffoli could fetch pelltier, 1st, 2nd /2nd round caliber prospect.
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My explanation is total legitimacy! Your biasism totally blocks you from reality
You have Habs fans in all your posts saying that your returns are in the clouds, are they bias too?? You're Pacioretty comparison is insane, last three seasons he's a PPG player, Toffoli is 0.75 with a higher shooting%, Pacioretty has nearly 30 more points in 15 less games, has better possession numbers this season etc. etc. The list goes on.
What would you give up if the Habs were contending for Conor Garland?
You have Habs fans in all your posts saying that your returns are in the clouds, are they bias too?? You're Pacioretty comparison is insane, last three seasons he's a PPG player, Toffoli is 0.75 with a higher shooting%, Pacioretty has nearly 30 more points in 15 less games, has better possession numbers this season etc. etc. The list goes on.
What would you give up if the Habs were contending for Conor Garland?
I'm all for having a high price that you won't budge on because there is no need to settle for lower for a player like TT but this valuation above not only is lacking some major comprehension of the Pacioretty deal, its also ignoring the fact things have changed since when that trade happened. Lindros was traded for like 14 players and cash but no one uses that as there basis because the times have changed since then. The same goes for the Pacioretty trade. You are also using hindsight to base your trade now. Can't quite use it like that.
So its fine for you to say "this is how much Im willing to let Toffoli go for" but its also fine for everyone to say this valuation is extremely unrealistic AT THIS CURRENT TIME. If Toffoli goes on a heater for the next 20 games, could it change? Absolutely.
Garland has 8 more games. He plays on a better team woth better linemates
Cherry pick whatever you like from these comments. you dip and dodge the points that make sense and reaffirm yourself with completely inaccurate points. It's tough to call me bias when this thread is mostly Habs fans disagreeing with you. I'm still on for the delete your account bet, I'll even let you adjust your return that you expect. It's getting a little crazy at this point though.
I'm all for having a high price that you won't budge on because there is no need to settle for lower for a player like TT but this valuation above not only is lacking some major comprehension of the Pacioretty deal, its also ignoring the fact things have changed since when that trade happened. Lindros was traded for like 14 players and cash but no one uses that as there basis because the times have changed since then. The same goes for the Pacioretty trade. You are also using hindsight to base your trade now. Can't quite use it like that.
So its fine for you to say "this is how much Im willing to let Toffoli go for" but its also fine for everyone to say this valuation is extremely unrealistic AT THIS CURRENT TIME. If Toffoli goes on a heater for the next 20 games, could it change? Absolutely.
...and yes, I read the entire description.
Also a HUGE difference is that Patches had 4 30+ goal seasons at that point and was only 27 at the time of the trade. Toffoli is 29 almost 30 and has only had 1 30+ goal season.
Also a HUGE difference is that Patches had 4 30+ goal seasons at that point and was only 27 at the time of the trade. Toffoli is 29 almost 30 and has only had 1 30+ goal season.
Cherry pick whatever you like from these comments. you dip and dodge the points that make sense and reaffirm yourself with completely inaccurate points. It's tough to call me bias when this thread is mostly Habs fans disagreeing with you. I'm still on for the delete your account bet, I'll even let you adjust your return that you expect. It's getting a little crazy at this point though.
If I get most of my predictions correct would you delete your account?
Cherry pick whatever you like from these comments. you dip and dodge the points that make sense and reaffirm yourself with completely inaccurate points. It's tough to call me bias when this thread is mostly Habs fans disagreeing with you. I'm still on for the delete your account bet, I'll even let you adjust your return that you expect. It's getting a little crazy at this point though.
The only reason I haven't blocked this troll is that I am so looking forward to seeing all of the comments after the TDL when he sees what his players actually return!
Also a HUGE difference is that Patches had 4 30+ goal seasons at that point and was only 27 at the time of the trade. Toffoli is 29 almost 30 and has only had 1 30+ goal season.
Yep. That was part of the lacking comprehension of the trade.
On pace for is not the same as achieved, who knows what COULD have happened between game 56 and 82 in a normal season, Toffoli could have gotten injured or went cold. If you are going to use the he was on pace argument you also have to consider he could have just as easily been injured.
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