I just watched him live.

1.) Just because he's 24 and eats off of other players doesn't make him good.
2.) 2-way game is really good. Really? not what his xGA/60 and CA/60 says.
3.) That doesn't mean anything you can have great offensive players and your defense plays like ****. Let's face it last in PK and horrible defense leaving MAF high and dry every time is what makes you not a playoff contender.
4.) Yeah you have him for that or maybe Chiarelli will sign him for more who knows, but doesn't make him any more worth it only to Biased Chicago fans who couldn't tell me what hockey was before 2010.

he wouldn't have ever gotten anymore in the first place. Name a big name 1C who got more than what Eichel got?

"Elite" He's 30 percentile in all EV Defense. 55 percentile on PP, he's 85 percentile on quality of teammate (shows who he's paired up with) Holloway will most likely be top 6 XB who knows. JP another Top 6. Bottom line is around the same development process with barely a contract left Panarin got traded for Saad. he's a winger. Base your analysis on actual market not your own biased thought process. The guy has scoring on his side when he's paired with certain forwards otherwise he's at a severe disadvantage.

I don’t think panarin trade is a great comparison. Players leaned on management to get saad back

LMAO

Every pro analyst disagrees with your comment about Cat and believes he is an elite player in the league; but go ahead and be the contrarian LMAO

Lmao, look at his response...not even worth addressing it!

"not even worth addressing it" yeah because advanced stats prove otherwise. You want the most value in history for him when market doesn't say that. I remember why I left capfriendly the first time. People with these pipedream ideas of what they as the fans think a player is worth. LOL. I guess baby steps is the way to improve knowledgeability. Name me one Forward or even 1 NHL player in history that got more than that offer which no matter how you want to put it is 2 NHL quality players (which happens to improve your awful team) and a guy who's probably going to be that NHL level as well. Plus a first. Chychrun isn't even getting as much as you want bahahhaahaa. Tragically enough you believe your tainted view is the best opinion in the world. From a neutral perspective you quite honestly might have just made one of the worst Takes on here in 7 years. What's next Murphy for 3 firsts? Is it because you paid so much for Jones now because Debrincat is better you think he's worth more? Whatever it is LOL you need some help on market values lmaooooo

Are you still watering your eyes over advanced stats? Case and point you don't even know it but you just substantiated the argument I'm making yourself but are too lost to see it

You water your eyes over opinions out your ass being a blackhawks fan lmfaoooo that's all you have ever done lmfaoooo. You haven't brought anything except your own opinion which makes your stupidity even worse. But off to a new discussion because 2 clueless blackhawk fans that don't look at the 2 sides just thinking it's a one way street is pathetic to talk to.

it's a waste of time as well. Good day lmfaooooo

Here's one of your main points you used to initialize your point of view on your first comment on Cat summarizing how silly your talking points are...."Barely above average in goals on even strength gets carried on the PP"

Using your flawed logic, let's take the top goal scorers in the league and their PP goal rate

Draisaitl = 33 goals (14 PP Goals - 42%, 19 Even Strength)
Kreider = 33 goals (17 PP Goals - 52%, 16 Even Strength)
Matthews = 32 goals (12 PP goals - 38%, 20 Even Strength)
Cat = 28 goals (11 PP goals - 39%, 17 Even Strength)
Rantanen = 24 goals (10 PP goals - 42%, 14 Even Strength)

I guess the above top 10 goal scorers in the league get carried by the PP Cat so they don't hold much trade value! Furthermore, combating another dumb point you made about Cat getting carried by his line mates...I guess none of these players have good linemates especially on the PP like Panarin, McDavid, Marner, MacKinnon!

You opened up a debate making comments like the one above that are using straw man arguments as evidence here...and when challenged your defense is saying I'm a fanboy and talking about how you quit CF because of the people here....all because your logic is flawed and laughable...make sense now?

"rate" lmaoooo you really don't know how analytics work. Putting PP and EV goals into a ratio percentage does absolutely nothing as a talking point lmfaoooo.

No let me make this clear to you. 90% of ACGMs are stupidity all around then you get the half decent ones or spot ones. And you get some fan kid because he's this players lover boy saying oh we need more when you clearly get more than most at his level. You used a ratio to make someone think oh he's so good because this amount of goals he scored is here. You put everything together based on an irrelevant non-isolated stat. You forget his teammates are playing the same rate all the time. he is only at this particular level when he has certain teammates playing with him. You want to challenge advanced stats with some backwards opinion and a ratio between EV and PP Goals. That's not a debate that's insanity. Because you seem to lack the reasons I have stated. You love Debrincat fine nothing wrong with that. There is fine line between liking him on your own opinion and thinking your say is the gospel. (WAR) wins above replacement says otherwise which takes heat charts, fenwick, corsi, etc. and combines them. Which variably makes it superior in isolated and team play stat metrics compared to your opinion pulled out your ass. Fair enough for you? Does that make sense? Because what's laughable is you thinking your opinion should be final say in the matter because you are a Blackhawks fan. Which is incorrect actually makes you less credible because you way your own opinions over true unchanged facts. And facts don't care about your feelings. Good night!