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Feb. 15, 2022 at 3:01 a.m.
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Ya'll Habs fans need to be stopped. This is getting ridiculous
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Feb. 15, 2022 at 3:22 a.m.
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Ya'll Habs fans need to be stopped. This is getting ridiculous


habs fans will explore all posibilities until tdl and do it again from summer till next tdl, this site was made for such ... wink
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Feb. 15, 2022 at 3:24 a.m.
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habs fans will explore all posibilities until tdl and do it again from summer till next tdl, this site was made for such ... wink


I can't help but feel like some folks do not know what "possibilities" means.
Feb. 15, 2022 at 3:40 a.m.
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Ya'll Habs fans need to be stopped. This is getting ridiculous


Much like we should have stopped when speculating a 1st for Toffoli?
Feb. 15, 2022 at 4:06 a.m.
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Much like we should have stopped when speculating a 1st for Toffoli?


Toffoli: curenetly 29 years old, (after this season) 4.25x2 remaining on contract, 8.625M salary left on deal, 13 games missed in past 2 seasons

Gallagher: currnetly 29 years old, (after this season) 6.5x5 remaining (NTC NMC), 34M salary left on deal, 4G/10P in 30GP, 39 games missed in past 2 years

And on top of that, Gallagher is also 5'9 which teams don't like

So please do enlighten me as to how Gallagher would fetch a similar amount of value as Toffoli just did
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Feb. 15, 2022 at 5:31 a.m.
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Toffoli: curenetly 29 years old, (after this season) 4.25x2 remaining on contract, 8.625M salary left on deal, 13 games missed in past 2 seasons

Gallagher: currnetly 29 years old, (after this season) 6.5x5 remaining (NTC NMC), 34M salary left on deal, 4G/10P in 30GP, 39 games missed in past 2 years

And on top of that, Gallagher is also 5'9 which teams don't like

So please do enlighten me as to how Gallagher would fetch a similar amount of value as Toffoli just did

All I know is habs fans were right about Toffoli bringing in a 1st +. Everyone else was saying 2nd . Habs fans were right
Feb. 15, 2022 at 8:30 a.m.
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Toffoli: curenetly 29 years old, (after this season) 4.25x2 remaining on contract, 8.625M salary left on deal, 13 games missed in past 2 seasons

Gallagher: currnetly 29 years old, (after this season) 6.5x5 remaining (NTC NMC), 34M salary left on deal, 4G/10P in 30GP, 39 games missed in past 2 years

And on top of that, Gallagher is also 5'9 which teams don't like

So please do enlighten me as to how Gallagher would fetch a similar amount of value as Toffoli just did


How about the fact that before this current season Gallagher was the 5th highest scoring player at 5 vs 5 over the previous 4 years. Only Matthews, Ovechkin, McDavid and Pasternak had scored more goals at 5 on 5 than Gallagher. Also even with this off year he still sits 15th on that list since 2018, That is why he is so valuable. Sure his stock has dropped but not to the ridiculous levels you think.
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Feb. 15, 2022 at 8:30 a.m.
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Kings are not going to give up Faber for Gally. He doesn't fit into their plans
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Feb. 15, 2022 at 9:12 a.m.
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All I know is habs fans were right about Toffoli bringing in a 1st +. Everyone else was saying 2nd . Habs fans were right


Habs fans weren't "right about Toffoli bringing in a 1st+" because you kept insisting that he'd bring in a first and a second. One of your fellow Montreal adherents and chief apologists has already written that Heineman = that second.
Feb. 15, 2022 at 9:29 a.m.
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How about the fact that before this current season Gallagher was the 5th highest scoring player at 5 vs 5 over the previous 4 years. Only Matthews, Ovechkin, McDavid and Pasternak had scored more goals at 5 on 5 than Gallagher. Also even with this off year he still sits 15th on that list since 2018, That is why he is so valuable. Sure his stock has dropped but not to the ridiculous levels you think.

I challenge you to name a team that would be interested in him.

Of the contending teams, only Nashville has the cap space next season to absorb Gallagher's cap hit with less than 50% retention without making a serious roster move, and David Poile isn't the kind of guy who's likely to go out and get an expensive veteran on the downside of his career. And what non-contending team -- i.e., what rebuilding team -- would want an expensive veteran on the downside of his career? Take, for example, Los Angeles and Anaheim -- the two teams currently competing for a playoff spot but likely to miss out. Their realistic window opens two or three years from now. Do you really think that they're going to invest in Gallagher?

Stop focusing on Gallagher's past and look at his future, i.e., what team is going to want him, and what that team is willing to pay for him. Yes, you can make a case for Arizona or Buffalo wanting him in order to make the cap floor. Do you think that they're going to do that for charitable reasons?

Here's another test -- the one posed so trenchantly by @C21 above: name a player comparable to Gallagher, like, say, Patrik Laine, who according to you hasn't been as productive over the last four seasons as Gallagher but is just as expensive. Who do you think another team is going to want to expend significant assets on -- Gallagher, or the comparable player?
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Feb. 15, 2022 at 10:20 a.m.
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How about the fact that before this current season Gallagher was the 5th highest scoring player at 5 vs 5 over the previous 4 years. Only Matthews, Ovechkin, McDavid and Pasternak had scored more goals at 5 on 5 than Gallagher. Also even with this off year he still sits 15th on that list since 2018, That is why he is so valuable. Sure his stock has dropped but not to the ridiculous levels you think.


Don't get me wrong, I like Gally and have defended him plenty of times before on here. But teams aren't going to look at his 5v5 results and say that they outweigh the negatives of him: turning 30 very soon, still having 5 years at a 6.5M cap hit after this season remaining on his contract with no trade and no move clauses (which will make it even harder for you guys to find a trade) and his injury history, especially as of late - so much so that a team would not only trade for him but give up premium assets in a trade for him?

Things have gone about as bad as they could've concerning his value recently.

It also doesn't help that his numbers also took this significant hit once Danault (Gallagher's linemate & another player who had fantastic 5v5 results) left and hasn't taken the same hit to his numbers as Gally
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Feb. 15, 2022 at 10:28 a.m.
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I challenge you to name a team that would be interested in him.

Of the contending teams, only Nashville has the cap space next season to absorb Gallagher's cap hit with less than 50% retention without making a serious roster move, and David Poile isn't the kind of guy who's likely to go out and get an expensive veteran on the downside of his career. And what non-contending team -- i.e., what rebuilding team -- would want an expensive veteran on the downside of his career? Take, for example, Los Angeles and Anaheim -- the two teams currently competing for a playoff spot but likely to miss out. Their realistic window opens two or three years from now. Do you really think that they're going to invest in Gallagher?

Stop focusing on Gallagher's past and look at his future, i.e., what team is going to want him, and what that team is willing to pay for him. Yes, you can make a case for Arizona or Buffalo wanting him in order to make the cap floor. Do you think that they're going to do that for charitable reasons?

Here's another test -- the one posed so trenchantly by C21 above: name a player comparable to Gallagher, like, say, Patrik Laine, who according to you hasn't been as productive over the last four seasons as Gallagher but is just as expensive. Who do you think another team is going to want to expend significant assets on -- Gallagher, or the comparable player?


Teams that would want Gallagher are Vancouver, Edmonton, Carolina, New York Rangers and Nashville to name a few that need a top 6 forward of Gallagher's ilk. They may not have cap to absorb the full cap hit but they can and would move out salary to facilitate such a trade for instance, Edmonton could include 2 of Ryan, Barrie, Cici, Koskinen, Russell or Turris plus a decent package of pick and prospects to facilitate a Gallagher trade. Vancouver could include any of Pearson, Dickinson, Myers or Poolman to facilitate a trade. Carolina could include any of Neiderreiter, Fast, Martinook, Stepan or Gardiner. New York could use anyone on their roster as they currently have 6.3 Mil so would only need to move out 200k but would probably look to off load a bit more anyway. Nashville also currently has enough cap space and is a playoff team but could include a cap dump if they wanted as well. You should stop trying to downplay players values cause you have some sort of personal bias against the Habs, there are teams out there that would pay handsomely to have Gallagher on their team even if you don't believe they would. BTW L.A. would also love to have Gallagher, Anaheim I am not so sure they even know what they are at this point so they probably wouldn't invest in Gallagher since they are lost between rebuilding and a playoff team.
Feb. 15, 2022 at 10:41 a.m.
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Habs fans weren't "right about Toffoli bringing in a 1st+" because you kept insisting that he'd bring in a first and a second. One of your fellow Montreal adherents and chief apologists has already written that Heineman = that second.

Heinemen is a 2nd and you conveniently left out no retention. It’s was 50% retained in all other scenarios. Habs fans were right. Next up chiarot for a 1st
Feb. 15, 2022 at 11:58 a.m.
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Heinemen is a 2nd and you conveniently left out no retention. It’s was 50% retained in all other scenarios. Habs fans were right. Next up chiarot for a 1st


What in God's name does retention have to do with anything? All of the trades you guys hopefully posted didn't include retention, nor did the actual trade.

No, Habs fans haven't been saying "Chiarot for a first" either; they've been saying Chiarot for a first and a third.
Feb. 15, 2022 at 12:28 p.m.
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Teams that would want Gallagher are Vancouver, Edmonton, Carolina, New York Rangers and Nashville to name a few that need a top 6 forward of Gallagher's ilk. They may not have cap to absorb the full cap hit but they can and would move out salary to facilitate such a trade for instance, Edmonton could include 2 of Ryan, Barrie, Cici, Koskinen, Russell or Turris plus a decent package of pick and prospects to facilitate a Gallagher trade. Vancouver could include any of Pearson, Dickinson, Myers or Poolman to facilitate a trade. Carolina could include any of Neiderreiter, Fast, Martinook, Stepan or Gardiner. New York could use anyone on their roster as they currently have 6.3 Mil so would only need to move out 200k but would probably look to off load a bit more anyway. Nashville also currently has enough cap space and is a playoff team but could include a cap dump if they wanted as well. You should stop trying to downplay players values cause you have some sort of personal bias against the Habs, there are teams out there that would pay handsomely to have Gallagher on their team even if you don't believe they would. BTW L.A. would also love to have Gallagher, Anaheim I am not so sure they even know what they are at this point so they probably wouldn't invest in Gallagher since they are lost between rebuilding and a playoff team.


Your financial analysis is as unrealistic as your evaluation of Gallagher's trade value.

I won't waste a lot of time discussing each of the teams you mention; I'll just use the Rangers as an example.

The fact that NY has $6.3 million in cap space this season is utterly unrelated to the issue of how Gallagher's cap hit affects them for the next five years. Next season, NY loses Ryan Strome (gaining $4.5 million in cap space) but has to pay raises to Mika Zibanejad ($3.15 million more than his cap hit this year) and Adam Fox ($8.5 million more), so there goes your "$6.3 million" buffer. If you look at the summary at the bottom of the Rangers team page, you'll see that they have less than $9.7 million in anticipated cap space and 6 roster slots to fill, and two of their RFAs are Kappo Kakko and Sammy Blais, who won't aggregate to less than $3 million (and that's being conservative). So that will leave less than $6.7 million to spread among Gallagher and three other players.

Sure, NY can trade away some bottom guys for futures and get additional space, but my point was that there aren't contenders who are going to be able to absorb Gallagher's contract without other, and major, adjustments. And why would rebuilding teams at the bottom of the cap table like Arizona and Buffalo and even Columbus take Gallagher on without exacting a price rather than spending assets to acquire him?

Your idea that Edmonton, of all teams, would perform those gyrations to add Gallagher when their weaknesses are obviously on defense and in goal, and they are uncomfortably close to the cap ceiling next season, is particularly far-fetched.
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Feb. 15, 2022 at 12:36 p.m.
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Your financial analysis is as unrealistic as your evaluation of Gallagher's trade value.

I won't waste a lot of time discussing each of the teams you mention; I'll just use the Rangers as an example.

The fact that NY has $6.3 million in cap space this season is utterly unrelated to the issue of how Gallagher's cap hit affects them for the next five years. Next season, NY loses Ryan Strome (gaining $4.5 million in cap space) but has to pay raises to Mika Zibanejad ($3.15 million more than his cap hit this year) and Adam Fox ($8.5 million more), so there goes your "$6.3 million" buffer. If you look at the summary at the bottom of the Rangers team page, you'll see that they have less than $9.7 million in anticipated cap space and 6 roster slots to fill, and two of their RFAs are Kappo Kakko and Sammy Blais, who won't aggregate to less than $3 million (and that's being conservative). So that will leave less than $6.7 million to spread among Gallagher and three other players.

Sure, NY can trade away some bottom guys for futures and get additional space, but my point was that there aren't contenders who are going to be able to absorb Gallagher's contract without other, and major, adjustments. And why would rebuilding teams at the bottom of the cap table like Arizona and Buffalo and even Columbus take Gallagher on without exacting a price rather than spending assets to acquire him?

Your idea that Edmonton, of all teams, would perform those gyrations to add Gallagher when their weaknesses are obviously on defense and in goal, and they are uncomfortably close to the cap ceiling next season, is particularly far-fetched.


You asked for examples of who would want Gallagher and how they would be able to afford his contract, I provided those examples. Edmonton has multiple holes yes there is no denying that but Gallagher also fills a need for them which is a top 6 RW capable of scoring and going to the net. They would most definitely be interested in Gallagher.

Also I never said they had to make additional moves I said these teams could use their players to offset the Gallagher contract in the same deal.
Feb. 15, 2022 at 12:38 p.m.
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What in God's name does retention have to do with anything? All of the trades you guys hopefully posted didn't include retention, nor did the actual trade.

No, Habs fans haven't been saying "Chiarot for a first" either; they've been saying Chiarot for a first and a third.


Lol what?! Literally every trade for Toffoli was with retention especially if it was for Pelletier or coronato
Feb. 15, 2022 at 1:40 p.m.
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You asked for examples of who would want Gallagher and how they would be able to afford his contract, I provided those examples. Edmonton has multiple holes yes there is no denying that but Gallagher also fills a need for them which is a top 6 RW capable of scoring and going to the net. They would most definitely be interested in Gallagher.

Also I never said they had to make additional moves I said these teams could use their players to offset the Gallagher contract in the same deal.


You provided short sighted fits for the most part. Vancouver works cap wise if you take Myers, but with how you talk about Gally's value, VAN would have to give up multiple, multiple premium assets to please you. Which, with guys like Miller, Boeser, Podkolzin & Hoglander on the wing right now, doesn't make a ton of sense to do. If they trade Miller, they won't want a player like Gallagher, if they keep him, they don't need him. Oh, and then there's the raises they'll have to dish out to guys like Boeser, Miller, Petey, Pod, Nils, Rathbone most likely. It just doesn't work however you slice it

Edmonton can't take his contract, has bigger problems but if they did do a swap (and add other assets like you'd want) it'd be a lateral move at best

The only Cane you listed who's contract is expiring later than the 22-23 offseason is Martinook at a 1.8M cap hit. Notable raises they'll have pay before Gally's contract expires: Aho, Teravainen, Necas, Jarvis, Bear, Deangelo, Slavin, Trocheck. Kotkaniemi's deal also expires
 
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